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pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


Yeah night shots could be better and no doubt the 15 pro pics will be better than an 8, but I do think that unless your job depends on it, people buy into camera marketing hype a little too much. Every single year from Apple they’re selling their incredible new camera tech; people love them megapixels. I recall the iPhone 8 era being touted as the best camera the world has ever seen, too. It still takes pictures very well.

Here’s a dude reviewing it in late 2022 as a B+

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARKIZ_kUqfg

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Question Mark Mound
Jun 14, 2006

Tokyo Crystal Mew
Dancing Godzilla
I still haven't quite worked out what "cinematic mode" is for videos on the 15 Pro. Just that focusing on a new subject looks smoother?

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Yeah the phone makers hype their cameras way too much, but the camera on the 15 pro max is actually dang good. The addition of the x5 zoom is a huge upgrade. Depending on what you want out of it it's pretty loving great at night too. The fake 48 megapixel images off the 1x camera are insanely good for a camera this size.

I'm one of those dorks that habitually lugs around a large camera and a tripod and I bought into the 15 to try and train myself into not needing it 24/7. It's certainly not outputting the quality of a 45 megapixel full frame mirrorless but it is so nice to have something in my pocket that doesn't look like mud. I do have to play to its strengths though, the iphone is not terribly good at dusk in bad light. It loving loves light at high noon though.

This is an image I took the other night at a light show, at 100% zoom on a big screen you can see the muddiness but at reasonable resolution or on a phone? No one's ever gonna notice.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Question Mark Mound posted:

I still haven't quite worked out what "cinematic mode" is for videos on the 15 Pro. Just that focusing on a new subject looks smoother?

It will automatically focus on new things to be "cinematic" if you let it.

Corb3t
Jun 7, 2003

My partner's iPhone 15 Pro has noticeably better cellular antennas than my 13 Pro - there have been a few occasions where I've had to hotspot to her phone in highly congested areas because I couldn't load anything on mine. The cameras definitely seems like a nice upgrade, too.

I'm at a point where I upgrade every 2-3 years now - any longer and I feel like the trade-in/resale value of the phone goes down drastically. Spending an extra ~$20 a month to update more often is definitely a luxury, but easy to justify when it gets used so much. I'll get the 16 Pro when it comes out.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna

Question Mark Mound posted:

I still haven't quite worked out what "cinematic mode" is for videos on the 15 Pro. Just that focusing on a new subject looks smoother?

It does a fake bokeh effect like portrait mode photos for shallow depth of field. It’s not great.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
Apparently GS is looking to get rid of the Apple Card partnership because they’ve lost a ton of money. I have no idea how you lose money offering credit cards but hey.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Ars said it was because people aren't paying off their apple cards at much higher rate than normal cards and GS has lost billions over it.

I thought convincing people to carry debt was the main reason credit cards are so profitable but this suggests that's not the case!

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Boris Galerkin posted:

Apparently GS is looking to get rid of the Apple Card partnership because they’ve lost a ton of money. I have no idea how you lose money offering credit cards but hey.

Apple basically gave them the same poison deal they gave Hewlett Packard back in the iPod days where HP would get to make iPods in exchange for preinstalling iTunes on all their computers. Hey handle all this stuff for us and we'll name you an official partner. Oh no we didn't think about how you'd make money but thanks for getting our thing rolling for us.

8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

CORPO COPS CAME FOR MY :filez:

Boris Galerkin posted:

Apparently GS is looking to get rid of the Apple Card partnership because they’ve lost a ton of money. I have no idea how you lose money offering credit cards but hey.

There are no fees on the Apple Card and supposedly Apple gets as much as Goldman Sachs on transactions.

rafikki
Mar 8, 2008

I see what you did there. (It's pretty easy, since ducks have a field of vision spanning 340 degrees.)

~SMcD


xzzy posted:

Ars said it was because people aren't paying off their apple cards at much higher rate than normal cards and GS has lost billions over it.

I thought convincing people to carry debt was the main reason credit cards are so profitable but this suggests that's not the case!

I believe the lost billions was across all of their consumer services, not the Apple card specifically but otherwise, yep.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



drat, that's almost as sad as Trump losing money running a casino

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Back to upgrade chat I upgrade my phones often because I legit use the stupid thing for 5+ hours a day so the upgrades are normally worth it.

Although this last year was the first time I didn’t do a yearly upgrade because the 14 was pretty meh over my 13

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
I get that it costs money to set up but I feel like once you’ve issued say 100k Apple Cards out you can just sit there and collect your $10+ in interest x 100000 to take in 1M+ a month so I can’t understand how you lose money unless you’re just giving money to people who default 100%.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Boris Galerkin posted:

I get that it costs money to set up but I feel like once you’ve issued say 100k Apple Cards out you can just sit there and collect your $10+ in interest x 100000 to take in 1M+ a month so I can’t understand how you lose money unless you’re just giving money to people who default 100%.

Well it does take administrative and staffing costs to keep these cards running.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



They're also paying out a minimum of 1% cashback per transaction, while Apple takes half the transaction fees, so you need a lot of people carrying balances to make up for the people paying off immediately to get the cashback.

E: And now a bunch of people are getting paid 4.2% APR (or whatever it is) in interest for that cashback!

Inner Light
Jan 2, 2020



pmchem posted:

Yeah night shots could be better and no doubt the 15 pro pics will be better than an 8, but I do think that unless your job depends on it, people buy into camera marketing hype a little too much. Every single year from Apple they’re selling their incredible new camera tech; people love them megapixels. I recall the iPhone 8 era being touted as the best camera the world has ever seen, too. It still takes pictures very well.

Here’s a dude reviewing it in late 2022 as a B+

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARKIZ_kUqfg

This is a good point, agreed. The marketing is well done and very in line with Reality Distortion Field antics of the company which has bled into marketing in all fields now. Even the AI-ified advances of the past couple years are pretty meh, the hardware is stagnating, the photos look good but past couple years' advances have not been dramatically noticeable in everyday use. And nowadays, when all photos are viewed on a smartphone or as part of a TikTok video, I guess it matters even less.

I honestly am having a hard time seeing where iPhone can go from here, at least with photos, the only direction is asymptotically getting closer to DSLR results from human eyes. With cameras on the newest Pro phone, I would have a hard time believing anything more than a tiny percent of people would care or could tell if a photo they are looking at (probably on their phone) was taken with a DSLR or a phone. What other gimmick is there to manufacture in order to drive demand? Animated AI emojis built-in to the photo pipeline?

Inner Light fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Nov 29, 2023

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Boris Galerkin posted:

Apparently GS is looking to get rid of the Apple Card partnership because they’ve lost a ton of money. I have no idea how you lose money offering credit cards but hey.
Maybe I’m being a little too skeptical but given how these companies operate it wouldn’t surprise me if “lost a ton of money” actually meant “made only a small fortune rather than the colossal one we forecast”

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
A lot of the modern camera tech in phones overdoes the neural network processing stuff. I know a guy that makes his living off of phone photos and he has a stash of sealed iphone 5's because those were the best before the Apple processing started taking over and any of the modern ones look too digital and processed for the style and brand he's built around his photography.

It's nice that apple finally allows native raw shots with no processing applied. I don't know if that's hardware or iOS version limited but it was a good surprise coming to the 15 pro max.

Bottom Liner fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Nov 29, 2023

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Inner Light posted:

This is a good point, agreed. The marketing is well done and very in line with Reality Distortion Field antics of the company which has bled into marketing in all fields now. Even the AI-ified advances of the past couple years are pretty meh, the hardware is stagnating, the photos look good but past couple years' advances have not been dramatically noticeable in everyday use. And nowadays, when all photos are viewed on a smartphone or as part of a TikTok video, I guess it matters even less.

I honestly am having a hard time seeing where iPhone can go from here, at least with photos, the only direction is asymptotically getting closer to DSLR results from human eyes. With cameras on the newest Pro phone, I would have a hard time believing anything more than a tiny percent of people would care or could tell if a photo they are looking at (probably on their phone) was taken with a DSLR or a phone. What other gimmick is there to manufacture in order to drive demand? Animated AI emojis built-in to the photo pipeline?

DSLR is a specific type of digital camera that's dead now. Mirrorless took over.

American McGay
Feb 28, 2010

by sebmojo
Cope

WithoutTheFezOn
Aug 28, 2005
Oh no

TACD posted:

Maybe I’m being a little too skeptical but given how these companies operate it wouldn’t surprise me if “lost a ton of money” actually meant “made only a small fortune rather than the colossal one we forecast”
GS is looking to get completely out of the consumer banking business, not just stopping their deals with Apple. That seems like such a big move that personally I kind of doubt the “profit but not optimal profit” angle.

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

pmchem posted:

Yeah night shots could be better and no doubt the 15 pro pics will be better than an 8, but I do think that unless your job depends on it, people buy into camera marketing hype a little too much. Every single year from Apple they’re selling their incredible new camera tech; people love them megapixels. I recall the iPhone 8 era being touted as the best camera the world has ever seen, too. It still takes pictures very well.

Here’s a dude reviewing it in late 2022 as a B+

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARKIZ_kUqfg

I totally get this. All seriousness, please give us an update after getting the 15 Pro and if you legit notice or don’t notice a difference on the camera.

I’ve mentioned it before here, but the big camera jump for me was going from a XS to a 12 Pro. This is my opinion, but the 3 cameras really does the job setup wise. I’m not a camera person and honestly noticed a difference.


iPhone upgrade chat: upgrade at whatever rate you feel comfortable.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Duckman2008 posted:

iPhone upgrade chat: upgrade at whatever rate you feel comfortable.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
Turned on screen distance for the first time (I don’t think my phone ever prompted me to try it when I upgraded iOS) and I like the idea a lot but there really needs to be a way to dismiss the prompt, like a snooze button or something cause there are legitimate reasons I need to hold the phone up closer to my face sometimes.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

Duckman2008 posted:

I totally get this. All seriousness, please give us an update after getting the 15 Pro and if you legit notice or don’t notice a difference on the camera.

I’ve mentioned it before here, but the big camera jump for me was going from a XS to a 12 Pro. This is my opinion, but the 3 cameras really does the job setup wise. I’m not a camera person and honestly noticed a difference.

I feel like the noticeable jumps in photo quality have been the 6S/SE, 8/X, then 12.
Since the 12 the improvement seems to be more in the zoom (higher optical zoom and more megapickles for cropping.)
My wife had the 12 before the 15 and her recent photos in the shared library still look good.

Raymond T. Racing
Jun 11, 2019

Reasons why Goldman hates Apple Card:
- every statement closes the same day; this is apparently hell on their consumer finance support
- heavily encourages not carrying a balance, so no making money on interest
- the aforementioned cashback and splitting fees with Apple

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
The new update is making my phone triple vibrate after everything wtf

Question Mark Mound
Jun 14, 2006

Tokyo Crystal Mew
Dancing Godzilla
That static/crackling repair program for first gen AirPods Pro probably isn't running any more, right? I've been putting up with it for ages and decided it's worth fixing it rather than loving up my left ear.

Worst case scenario, a "battery replacement" is actually just a whole new set of headphones, right?

The Dave
Sep 9, 2003

I just bought usb-c AirPod pros because my first gen Pros got unbearably crackly when noise cancellation was on.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Question Mark Mound posted:

That static/crackling repair program for first gen AirPods Pro probably isn't running any more, right? I've been putting up with it for ages and decided it's worth fixing it rather than loving up my left ear.

It's worth a try, they have a little test they run and if it fails you get new headphones. I did it last summer and there was no fuss at all.

I figure it depends on if the first gen's are still in stock or not.

8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

CORPO COPS CAME FOR MY :filez:
I also did the same. The crackly sound to me sounds like one of the mics inside got detached and is banging against the shell. The 2nd gens are nice however. Already loving Adaptive Audio as it doesn't sound trebly as poo poo as Transparency does and conversation awareness works much more accurately than my Sony WH-1000XM5's.

Question Mark Mound
Jun 14, 2006

Tokyo Crystal Mew
Dancing Godzilla

8-bit Miniboss posted:

I also did the same. The crackly sound to me sounds like one of the mics inside got detached and is banging against the shell. The 2nd gens are nice however. Already loving Adaptive Audio as it doesn't sound trebly as poo poo as Transparency does and conversation awareness works much more accurately than my Sony WH-1000XM5's.
Upgrading to 2nd gen is tempting but a £49 battery replacement is a lot more palatable than £229 for the new ones. :(

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Inner Light posted:

This is a good point, agreed. The marketing is well done and very in line with Reality Distortion Field antics of the company which has bled into marketing in all fields now. Even the AI-ified advances of the past couple years are pretty meh, the hardware is stagnating, the photos look good but past couple years' advances have not been dramatically noticeable in everyday use. And nowadays, when all photos are viewed on a smartphone or as part of a TikTok video, I guess it matters even less.

I honestly am having a hard time seeing where iPhone can go from here, at least with photos, the only direction is asymptotically getting closer to DSLR results from human eyes. With cameras on the newest Pro phone, I would have a hard time believing anything more than a tiny percent of people would care or could tell if a photo they are looking at (probably on their phone) was taken with a DSLR or a phone. What other gimmick is there to manufacture in order to drive demand? Animated AI emojis built-in to the photo pipeline?

Don't worry, someone will come in to tell you they take way better pics than a crappy iPhone camera, then list the 20 lbs of camera equipment they use to do it, which is very realistic when you want to take a picture of a cat you happen to see walking around

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Excuse me, my camera setup only weighs 8 pounds.

TraderStav
May 19, 2006

It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down
My wired carplay setup in my '18 Volt has been a little finicky lately (more than usual) with picking up the phone and setting it back down breaks the connection with no appreciable force being put on either end of the cable, just strange stuff. This has me looking at some of the wireless aftermarket options that are available to see if that could be a good option. Amazon is a pretty straight minefield of duplicate entries and random Chinese stuff. Can anyone recommend a solution that they are using that hasn't been problematic? So far I've seen the Carlink and OTTO ones out there. I may just order them and hopefully any problems will emerge in the return window but a goon recommendation would go a long way.

Thanks!

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

I’ve seen OTTO mentioned a lot as well and the truck forum I frequent has a lot of personal reviews saying they do the job just fine.

TraderStav
May 19, 2006

It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down

FCKGW posted:

I’ve seen OTTO mentioned a lot as well and the truck forum I frequent has a lot of personal reviews saying they do the job just fine.

Thanks, I was leaning toward that one. The OTTOCAST official store has 4 seemingly identical listings with different ship dates and prices. Trying to navigate that to figure out if there's a real difference between any of them.

So frustrating when they intentionally make these things so confusing.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Now that everyone on the internet is chatting and having fun with their spotify wrapped, it reminds me how loving bad Apple's clone of the feature is. It feels like something they slapped together in an afternoon and decided they never needed to modify ever again.

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njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Good, people who can't wait to show off all the fake genres Spotify makes up are extremely irritating and I hate that everything thinks they need to have one of these yearly data dumps now.

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