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Meowy will have gotten the dogs out because Meowy will be revealed to have also drank some of Power’s blood and will have managed to reincarnate Power the Blood Devil. Also I really did not care for Denji stepping on that crow.
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Dec 5, 2023 23:33
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Despite how horrible everything is there is a bit of funny satire here. Barem went through all these overly complicated plans trying to psychologically manipulate Denji into embracing ultra-violence and absolutely none of them worked. Only to fall back on the most simplistic idea of “What if I just murder his dog?” And it works and Denji is ready to rip&tear.
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Dec 6, 2023 00:24
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Yeah, Barem Greyjoy Tarasov is getting fuckin' eaten.
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Does Barem know about Nayuta? Because he might have made a completely different Devil ready to rip and tear than he intended.
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Dec 6, 2023 00:30
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Denji's never allowed to be happy, is he?
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Nuebot posted:Denji's never allowed to be happy, is he?
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Nuebot posted:Denji's never allowed to be happy, is he? Denji was happy once. It was terrible.
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Dec 6, 2023 01:48
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Nuebot posted:Denji's never allowed to be happy, is he? Movies, the school, home with power and Aki, before he made his wish on his birthday, being praised for killing the cockroach, stealing money at the aquarium, karaoke... He's just not allowed to be happy for long.
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Dec 6, 2023 02:38
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At least power got her cat back
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One detail I saw elsewhere was that Denji bought that apartment with the money that Aki left him. So that's one connection to a dead loved one confirmed gone. 
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Neo_Crimson posted:One detail I saw elsewhere was that Denji bought that apartment with the money that Aki left him. So that's one connection to a dead loved one confirmed gone. denji bought a whole-rear end house with aki's inheritance, at some point he changed addresses
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Oxxidation posted:denji bought a whole-rear end house with aki's inheritance, at some point he changed addresses they moved to a better district. someone's gotta think about Nayuta's education
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Neo_Crimson posted:One detail I saw elsewhere was that Denji bought that apartment with the money that Aki left him. So that's one connection to a dead loved one confirmed gone. Chainsaw man: I see now why he chainsaws his own brains
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Dec 6, 2023 04:43
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Neo_Crimson posted:One detail I saw elsewhere was that Denji bought that apartment with the money that Aki left him. So that's one connection to a dead loved one confirmed gone. I hope the Insurance Devil has not been erased for Denji's sake
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Flair posted:I hope the Insurance Devil has not been erased for Denji's sake The Insurance Devil being erased would probably be better for Denji then it still being around. "Sorry Mr. Denji, but our contract here states 'we cover Devil Attacks' and our records show that your house was actually burned down by a being which has no name because it was devoured and erased from reality, which legally speaking is not the same thing."
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Scholtz posted:https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/chainsaw-man-chapter-150/chapter/40972?action=read
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Killing off the doggos is a bit of an indictment on volume two, honestly. Compared to the first series, there's a real lack of supporting cast this time around. There's barely anybody who could be killed off to motivate Denji.
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Squidster posted:Killing off the doggos is a bit of an indictment on volume two, honestly. Compared to the first series, there's a real lack of supporting cast this time around. There's barely anybody who could be killed off to motivate Denji. I blame Asa. (Well, I blame Fujimoto's use of Asa as the protagonist here, but it's faster to just say I blame Asa.) Some of it, of course, is just natural and not an indictment at all. Asa's been the main character for part 2 until this arc, and that means Denji is going to have less time to build up a new supporting cast to replace his friends from part 1. It's pretty much just Nayuta, Yoshida, and Fumiko right now, and Denji's level of fucks given about Fumiko and Yoshida is still pretty low. The bigger indictment is that Asa is even lower on people to kill. And that comes in part from her nature as a protagonist. People say Denji is passive, but he's not, really. He wants things and takes steps to get them, even when working for someone else. Just last chapter, his desire to feed the pets meant he and Nayuta left Public Safety and got to this chapter's shitstorm, and that's been true through the whole series. Denji keeps doing what he wants to do, and everyone else has to either adapt to make use of him, or get completely blindsided. (Makima did both.) Asa, meanwhile, is passive. She often just sits curled up unless someone forces her into action. Now, that's a very human reaction to the endless madness that is her life, and she's well written... but it makes her much more awkward as a lead, because she doesn't drive things forward on her own, which means more time needs to be spent on other people getting her to act (like the chapter of Fami persuading her to join the church) instead of on her interacting with people who aren't Yoru. (Well, or Yuko, but she's kinda dead.) Actually, that leads into another reason Asa is a cause of the difficulties here. Fujimoto has been setting things up to look like Denji and Asa's connection is key to the story... but Asa's personality and Denji's don't go together easily. Which means giving Denji more connections would undermine the Asa relationship, since Denji could shrug and hang out with his actual friends instead of pining after a girl who said no-one would ever have sex with him just because he doesn't know she tried to kill him. (It also wouldn't have let him slump like this, which is the whole point of this arc. Aki and Power wouldn't let him fall this low.) Fujimoto hasn't lost his touch, but the deliberate choices at the heart of part 2 have set things up for good and ill so that it can't do the same things part 1 did. We can hope the overall manga will be good enough to make that feel worthwhile, but it's a tradeoff, not an accident.
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wow someone blaming problems on a girl boss, typical, tsk tsk
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idk, I can’t blame anyone for not vibing with Part 2 as much as 1, but it feels silly to say that Denji only having dogs as important non-Nayuta individuals is a flaw since it’s kinda The Point that Denji is a friendless high schooler who’s put all of his effort into raising his foster kid and is living a hollow life to give Nayuta what he thinks is a good one.
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chiasaur11 posted:I blame Asa. Why are you like this
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RevolverDivider posted:Why are you like this That's a pretty cogent analysis of part 2, and not really weird at all?
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I think Part 2 is pretty deliberately a departure from Part 1 and I expect Part 3 to be as different from either Parts 1 or 2. Given that lens I think it's fair to look at it in terms of overall thematic consistency within each Part. Part 1 was, at least in part, about lost and broken people trying to forge connections in the face of unbelievable brutality (even if some of those connections, like Makima's, are false and advance an exploitative agenda). Part 2 shows, for the most part, the complete breakdown of even those tenuous support structures and people's inability to form new ones (like Asa + that girl who made the deal with the Justice Devil). The few structures that rise to take their place are, again, false and exploitative (the Church of Chainsaw Man), and even Denji's connection with Nayuta may be illusory. Yet at the same time, he's putting everything into it, and where Part 1 was about him seeking happiness, Part 2 has him putting it on hold, but is it because it's what he wants to do, or because he's afraid of the consequences? Which is more honest? So if Part 1 is the thesis and Part 2 is the antithesis, I'd like to see the synthesis in Part 3.
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symbolic posted:Part 2 > Part 1
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symbolic posted:Part 2 > Part 1 math has proven thus
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I have a lot of faith on the author, especially given the events prior to the final incident of the chapter. Fujimoto has never let me down before (I will say I liked the Part 1 cast a tad more tho)Jerkface posted:That's a pretty cogent analysis of part 2, and not really weird at all? It's more about the poster than the point in this case, I think lol
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let Fujimoto cook
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symbolic posted:Part 2 > Part 1 CharlestonJew posted:let Fujimoto cook
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part 2 does have a much reduced supporting cast, it's true. it's also explicitly and textually about isolation and parasociality and feeling cut off from a normal life and support system. denji doesn't have no friends because the story needs to serve asa, he has no friends because we watched them all die in part 1 and kishibe pretty much forced him back into a mindset of material precarity that precluded any kind of a normal social life. this is all very clear.
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Do NOT let Barem Bridge cook
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Valentin posted:part 2 does have a much reduced supporting cast, it's true. it's also explicitly and textually about isolation and parasociality and feeling cut off from a normal life and support system. denji doesn't have no friends because the story needs to serve asa, he has no friends because we watched them all die in part 1 and kishibe pretty much forced him back into a mindset of material precarity that precluded any kind of a normal social life. this is all very clear. yeah like this is actually pretty true to life. losing multiple friends in a traumatic situation is going to gently caress you up. in fact he made those friends because of traumatic events and since has been trying to lead the quiet life and just go to school. though he doesn't quite fit in at school because of his past and leads the life of a loner. hell we see him selling himself to make cash that he later spends on Nayuta. he's trying his best to be selfless but he's clearly torn up inside Denji tries to have a date and he pretty much knows Nayuta is going to wreck it. which is why he doesn't want to go to his place in the first place when Asa suggests watching movies. so Denji isn't against forming relationships. he's just doing the single parent life except his child is a literal devil who would very likely start going full crazy if it weren't for Denji and he knows it. we were reminded of this fact last chapter
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Scholtz posted:Do NOT let Barem Bridge cook Sounds like he really Barem'd some Bridges with Denji!
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Chainsawman Part 2 is about the Covid-19 pandemic, in this essay i will
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some people have made hay about denji’s near-permanent strung-out vacant expression in this part but he was sporting that face in the last two chapters of part 1 as well. losing aki, power and makima scarred him deep
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Hot dog, what a chapter
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Unironically: Denji is not someone who remotely had a sensible and healthy life. He was quite literally selling his balls for food money after he killed his own abusive father, whose death was covered up by yakuza shitwads who specifically prevented Denji from being given any sort of genuine care or treatment because they didn't want to lose money. Almost every single person he met in his life has attempted to abuse, trick or control him, including Aki and Power who both basically tried to gently caress him over the first time they really met. Even when he does form connections they get forcibly torn away from him at the behest of the biggest and worst abuser of all who specifically manipulated things so Denji would have nothing and nobody except her, and even once she died Denji was effectively left with their kid. Even if Asa didn't exist in Part 2, there's no real indication Denji would be in a different situation except Asa appears to be the first person he genuinely has made any sort of connection with, even if we as the audience know that connection is tied to yet another person trying to control and use him. Both Asa and Denji are profoundly alone people in a way that almost nobody else in the world can truly connect with and that is important to the overall story. Denji isn't really a different person, it is just that he's still profoundly alone because as far as he is aware everyone in his life except his sister and Asa only interact with him because they want to use or hurt him. Like lol denji wants to touch boobs funny but Denji's basic thing is that he is profoundly, desperately, incredibly needy for genuine human connection. He's a dumb horny teen, yeah, but even his dumb horniness isn't about wanting sex so much as it is about wanting someone he can actually interact with on a human level. The dude is focused on sex because as far as he's aware sex is the most intimate you can get with someone, but it's pretty noteworthy that Denji can be funnily horny but when push comes to shove sex doesn't actually seem that important to him. He doesn't care about touching boobs for the sake of touching boobs, his naked swim with Bomb mattered more to him that she was teaching him to swim, and in general he's just immensely and desperately thirsty to be able to just interact with people more than getting laid. This is all a logical continuation of Part 1 where Denji spent the entire part basically learning that he's allowed to want things while at the same time learning that things he thinks he wants are not necessarily what he actually wants. Part 2 Denji is now trying to figure out what he actually wants. (Which, again, seems to largely be actual human connection. He frames it as "I want to be Chainsaw Man" but what he wants from that is being someone people like and want to be around. It is why Asa, despite their relatively limited time together, is important to him because as far as he's aware Asa is the singular person who has shown interest in Denji instead of Denji The Host Of Chainsaw Man.)
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Farg posted:Hot dog, what a chapter This should be the thread title
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Flair posted:This should be the thread title
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