Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Followup: what are the many cultures of minnesotans and their associated colours?

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Followup: what are the many cultures of minnesotans and their associated colours? We going for some ROC Five Nations Flag?

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I have concerns about our new flag design being either too aligned with specific race(s) and/or that it will not stand the test of time in terms of style. Please take the following comments with that context in mind. F1435 I like this flag, but again feel it is too directed towards specific cultures. Some would say it looks like a Scandinavian quilt. Some would say it looks like an Ojibwe image. Despite the fact that I personally like this, I think it's important to get the feedback from other groups in Minnesota. How do our African-American and Asian friends feel about it?

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This is the best of the selection because it's simple but looks complex and thought provoking, easily understood to represent Minnesota as a great North state, and looks professional.
The intertwined star and snowflake makes for a good representation of the many cultures within Minnesota as well. It has elements that bring to remembrance the Dutch and Swedish quilted stars, Native American ceremonial woven blanket designs, and traditional Somali fabric designs - bringing together many cultures into one representation.

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Regarding all designs with this 8-pointed star made of disconnected diamonds, I know many cultures have used an 8-pointed star including Minnesotaâ€TMs indigenous communities and perhaps the intention was to include native symbolism, which is great. But I also think to most people it reads as “Norwegian sweater starâ€􏰀 and while that might be representative of the stateâ€TMs enfranchised people 100 years ago, it isnâ€TMt representative of Minnesota today.

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How do any of these flag designs include or represent cultural diversity? Did the Native Americans have any input? Or Hmong or Somali cultures ? I see Scandinavia heritage reflected in use of the Swedish flag colors. Just saying. Thanks

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I am a 6th generation Minnesotan whose German, Icelandic, Irish, & Austrian ancestors came to Minnesota in the early 1860's. There is nothing wrong w/ our state flag. It shows a European settler sod-busting his field after clearing trees. He has the weapon to shoot his dinner & in case a roaming White criminal came along (there were many roaming Civil War veterans who could be violent to settlers, their wives, & children). There were no nearby lawmen to call for help. Laura Ingalls Wilder wrote extensively on this subject. The depicted Native American is NOT "riding off into the sunset". He's just riding his horse, period. The two ethnic groups who made up essentially all of our MN population are represented on our flag (European Americans & Native Americans).
As I stated, I am a 6th generation Minnesotan & DFLer who nearly maxed-out on donations to Bernie in both 2016 & 2020. I NEVER thought the day would come when I would leave the DFL. That day has come. What you are doing is vile Cultural Marxism. You are erasing our state's history. You are literally using Mao's Cultural Revolution tactics & the irony is you're actually nothing more than Neoliberal corporate Democrats using identity politics on steroids to divide & gain power. If the DFL Native Americans (Asians who came across the Bering Land Bridge >> do a cheek swab of your Asian DNA) actually cared about Minnesota, at all, they would've convinced the DFL controlled legislature to remove the wolf hunt/trap/snare out of state law. Ma'iingan (the wolf) is sacred, yet you have NOT removed the wolf hunt. You would also have stopped Enbridge Line 3. Again, you did not. Peggy Flanagan & Tim Walz rammed the oil pipeline right thru. And, you would've stopped PolyMet-Glencore copper sulfide mine from poisoning the water supply of the Fond du Lac band w/ methyl mercury which poisons the central nervous systems of the Native American fetuses, babies, children, pregnant women, & everyone else. But, again, YOU DIDN'T. The Tim Walz & Peggy Flanagan DFL admin is ramming thru over 300 copper sulfide mines & NOT ONE OF YOU has done a thing to stop it even though you have total power in our state because you are all FRAUDS. Instead, you, the unelected, hate-driven, narcissistic, made-up "State Emblems Redesign Commission" appointed by Tim Walz, a man from Nebraska, are erasing our state flag & our state seal. I see you.

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Everyone but that last guy is nicer than I expected ngl

Platystemon posted:

They don’t elaborate.

EasilyConfused posted:

An avowed Bernie supporter denouncing cultural Marxism over the state flag is not something I was expecting to see.

Phlegmish posted:

The existing flag I don't think is racist, but it's still bad. I know Americans love to do this, but do not put entire elaborate illustrations or scenes on your flag. I don't know if that's an actual vexillological rule, but it should be.

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

This one, unlike so many hypothetical flags, actually is pretty goddam good

Platystemon posted:

I can’t unsee , and now you’re seeing it too.

Peanut Butler posted:

u.s. state flags should all be required to be the shape of the state, we love it when stuff is shaped like the state we live in, we can't get enough of it

Peanut Butler posted:

u.s. state flags should all be required to be the shape of the state, we love it when stuff is shaped like the state we live in, we can't get enough of it

Powered Descent posted:

I've always thought it's very lucky for the economy of Texas that the state has such a distinctive and recognizable shape. Just think how much Texas-shaped crap wouldn't ever have been manufactured or sold if the state was just a big square.

Phlegmish posted:

Yeah most flags are already rectangular

Peanut Butler posted:

u.s. state flags should all be required to be the shape of the state, we love it when stuff is shaped like the state we live in, we can't get enough of it

Chicken posted:

Hawaii's flag is going to be a marvel of engineering. Or just a lot of flagpoles.

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Changing the state flag and seal was the last straw. I have no choice but to become a fascist now.

One exception though: Virginia has a boob on it. They get to keep it, everyone else must change.

And to not just shitpost, here's the most popular united Turkestan flag




This one, unlike so many hypothetical flags, actually is pretty goddam good
Most people don't think Turkey is part of Turkestan as the second image includes, but who knows how far the horde will ride

e: perhaps replace Turkey with the Kökbayraq, flag of East Turkestanthe most indubitably chinese province of Xinjiang, soon to be free of religious extremists


(author's note: do not actually fly this flag in East Turkestan if you value not being arrested)

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Angepain posted:

i have to respect this for taking the "star inside the crescent moon" variant and making it even more physically impossible. neil degrasse tyson is going to be pissed

Angepain posted:

i have to respect this for taking the "star inside the crescent moon" variant and making it even more physically impossible. neil degrasse tyson is going to be pissed

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

And that's why astrophysicists do not get paid to create iconography. The singular value flags and symbols should have is "looks good and can be facsimiled with 5 seconds of stressed graffiti". Anything else can be sorted by post facto justification nerds

Also tricolours are dumb and scandinavian cross flags were a mistake without a federation

A Buttery Pastry posted:

It's a Nordic cross!!

Chicken posted:

Hawaii's flag is going to be a marvel of engineering. Or just a lot of flagpoles.

A Buttery Pastry posted:

It's a Nordic cross!!

BonHair posted:

It's a Danish cross and should represent greater Denmark, including current Norway, Sweden, Estonia, Iceland, Northern Germany, England and Newfoundland.

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

https://i.imgur.com/zcQb9RU.gifv

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

And to not just shitpost, here's the most popular united Turkestan flag




This one, unlike so many hypothetical flags, actually is pretty goddam good
Most people don't think Turkey is part of Turkestan as the second image includes, but who knows how far the horde will ride

A Buttery Pastry posted:

It's a Nordic cross!!

Angepain posted:

why would anyone want to rule england

Platonicsolid posted:

*Can* anyone rule England? Evidence points to no.

sweek0 posted:

CGP Grey likes Minnesota flag 1953 and I think I agree with him, which doesn't happen all that often.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFwwo0W5Ugg

EasilyConfused posted:

An avowed Bernie supporter denouncing cultural Marxism over the state flag is not something I was expecting to see.

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The depicted Native American is NOT "riding off into the sunset". He's just riding his horse, period.