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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The moiraine scene at the beach would have been in arguably fine if she had just used the power to build up a giant wave, then sent that wave out st the boats, crashing them. Eh. The show seems to be really heavily going into weaker channelers being able to do powerful things if they spend more time working it up. Like the gateway opening weaves. This was kinda touched on in the books, how stronger people could just rip off many weaves quickly.
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It’s a bold gambit, for sure. The show might be totally internally consistent, just with different rules than the books. Or it might be written by C-level executives who could not care whether things make sense from one scene to the next. The only way to know for sure is to watch things to the end; the best way to get to the end is to not piss off the most likely fanbase; the best way to not piss off the most likely fanbase is to keep things consistent with the books.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The moiraine scene at the beach would have been in arguably fine if she had just used the power to build up a giant wave, then sent that wave out st the boats, crashing them. She did do a pretty sweet dance though
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Grundulum posted:the best way to not piss off the most likely fanbase is to keep things consistent with the books. Except that "the most likely fanbase" are a bunch of reddit biotruthers who are going to be pissed off no matter what you do.
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Dec 12, 2023 19:22
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The #1 rule of any magic system should always be "Is this cool? Ok go for it"
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And it is cool in the books it’s just hard as poo poo to portray in a TV show without it looking generic. Which is why they do a lot of not casting and a lot more leather dom costumes.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The moiraine scene at the beach would have been in arguably fine if she had just used the power to build up a giant wave, then sent that wave out st the boats, crashing them. Would have made a pretty cool bookend with the S1 ending at any rate.
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CainFortea posted:Except that "the most likely fanbase" are a bunch of reddit biotruthers who are going to be pissed off no matter what you do. Trying not to piss off the fan base is like the definition of a Sisyphean task
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The moiraine scene at the beach would have been in arguably fine if she had just used the power to build up a giant wave, then sent that wave out st the boats, crashing them. I imagine they probably didn't want to repeat the S1 stinger but there are plenty of other options. She could've done a waterspout tornado, she could've whipped up a storm and dropped a lightning bolt on them (which would've been a nice mirror to Siuan handling the fire in the Foregate in Cairhien in the context of their shared commitment to the mission around the Dragon Reborn and the goal of protecting innocents and what not), she could've used her fancy dance to rebound/redirect the shield back on the damane in a way that made them go crazy and blow up their own boats, etc. I have to rewatch and think about it a bit more, because what bothers me is more about the snowballing of particular editorial decisions than anything about power levels or whatever. CainFortea posted:Except that "the most likely fanbase" are a bunch of reddit biotruthers who are going to be pissed off no matter what you do. I won't pretend to not be biased but I try to put any book stuff in the back of my mind while watching the show, which isn't tough because it's been at least half a decade since my last re-read of the series. Honestly I think they're doing a drat good job with the show, especially given the improvement from S1 to S2, but there are still some glaring rough spots to smooth out as they go.
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The show is redefining the ajah to represent the element that they're most comfortable with. Thankfully for the blues, water deaths do not conflict with the oaths. They died with water in their lungs and not of.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:The show is redefining the ajah to represent the element that they're most comfortable with. Thankfully for the blues, water deaths do not conflict with the oaths. They died with water in their lungs and not of. This is a solid 9/10 post
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:The show is redefining the ajah to represent the element that they're most comfortable with. Thankfully for the blues, water deaths do not conflict with the oaths. They died with water in their lungs and not of. You do NOT want to get into a fight with a Brown, hoo boy
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CainsDescendant posted:You do NOT want to get into a fight with a Brown, hoo boy You could say the same of the Yellow and the White.
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The nerdy nightly guys pointed out that the season 2 finale opener, where LTT and co seal away Ishy, means we will never get the book 1 prologue as an adaptation. Actually I don't think it's certain because in theory they could do a gotcha where actually Ishy gets broken out of breaks out and runs off or something after the point where that opener scene cuts... Maybe? But in reality I think it makes it way less likely that we will ever see the dragonmount prologue in anything like the way it was done in the books, which is a bit sad IMO. (Apart from the perfect adaptation that Winter Dragon was ofc, insert billy Zane joke here)
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It really seems like a missed opportunity. Maybe don't open the first episode with the prologue, but what about ending the first episode with it? I think the Jamie throwing Bran out the window scene is the single biggest moment in GoT taking off and I bet you could do something similar with the prologue. Spend some of the first episode establishing the Dragon, why he's terrifying and important and necessary for the world. And then do a flashback to the end of the previous Dragon.
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They've clearly changed the meaning of the seals in the show so there's no reason they can't have the attack on Shayol Ghul, the sealing of the bore, and the aftermath as the cold open to an episode. I wouldn't be surprised if they show it as the opening to whatever episode the glass columns feature in.
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You could still do Dragonmount on the show and have Ishamael be there in some capacity. Just have him be another one of Lews's hallucinations, his guilty conscience over sealing away his best friend come back to haunt him at the worst possible time. Or have him be like "Yeah, your seal wasn't perfect and I can and have my revenge on you one day, rear end in a top hat. Enjoy your dead family, courtesy of Shai'tan, shithead."
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If they do the prologue my bet is it's going to be the cold open in the episode where Rand starts definitively hearing and talking to LTT.
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CainFortea posted:If they do the prologue my bet is it's going to be the cold open in the episode where Rand starts definitively hearing and talking to LTT. Start of s3 seems like a good time. Rand is now proclaimed TDR, now we learn exactly what that means
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Isn't Ishamael in the Dragonmount prologue anyway like "hahaa bitch I'm not sealed"? So nothing changes with showing him getting sealed. Show Lew's Therin murdering everyone and then Ishamael shows up and it's a big shock. But yeah the amount of information the show has given about the Breaking and Lews Therin and why male channeling is feared is pretty weak and probably my biggest criticism of the show. There should be an apocalyptic nauseating fear for most common people when they think of the Dragon or anyone touching saidin, and the show has none of that. Male channeling seems to be treated as an unfortunate mental illness.
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Heck maybe go further on than the prologue itself does and show him literally blasting open the planet's crust and raising a giant volcanic mountain. Would make an awesome realization down the road when we get to Tar Valon and see that same mountain three thousand years later.
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Question answered.quote:EXCLUSIVE: BAFTA winner and Emmy nominee Kari Skogland has been set to direct live-action feature The Age of Legends, the first installment in the planned trilogy of films that will explore the origins of Robert Jordan’s bestselling book series The Wheel of Time.
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This is still Iwot aka Red Eagle aka the people who did that glorious Billy Zane Winter Dragon "pilot" that was only intended to keep the rights.
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Hell yeah, in.
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Does bzane have to fistfight Fares Fares for the name
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Hopefully this spells good news for the mothership show if Amazon's greenlighting animated spin offs left and right now.
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Oh no
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Does bzane have to fistfight Fares Fares for the name Still hoping Billy Zane is either Demandred or Asmodean.
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Hell yeah, I always thought a Forsaken-focused AoL story would be super cool
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nine-gear crow posted:Hopefully this spells good news for the mothership show if Amazon's greenlighting animated spin offs left and right now. Is there any indication that Amazon has the right to say anything about this?
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With the glorious penmanship of Zack Stentz, genius behind such artworks as 'Rim of the World (Netflix, 2019; RT 27%), and a partial screenwriter credit on 'Agent Cody Banks' and 'Thor', we can only expect great things. Also maybe the fact they are intending to do more animated stuff is the reason why they aborted the Origins animated features in such a weird way? pik_d posted:This is still Iwot aka Red Eagle aka the people who did that glorious Billy Zane Winter Dragon "pilot" that was only intended to keep the rights.
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Did The Tinkers Ever Find Their Song? Forgive the Reddit link. This thread has gone quiet and I found this interesting while looking through Brandon’s post history, as one periodically does. Jordan’s notes posted:The tinkers never do find their drat song.
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its HIM posted:Did The Tinkers Ever Find Their Song? The actual song that they're looking for is the song of growing, which I believe Rand (or somebody else who watched Rand do it) teaches them before the last battle. Maybe it was that somebody saw him do it and it could get to them but they don't believe it? I know I read something like that in an interview but don't remember which one it was. theoryland posted:STEVEN COOPER So basically they think this can't possibly be the song, so they continue to look for this mythical song.
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For a while when reading the books I figured it might be tree-singing. After I finished I felt like it was a telephone game style misunderstanding of tree-singing. So yes it's not actually the tree-singing song, and no they don't ever find it because it doesn't exist, but the myth of "the Song" came from tree-singing, since the Da'shain Aiel seemed to be involved in tree-singing. So along the way "We sang to help things grow" turned into "Times were better when we sang" to "The Song made everything better".
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lol yeah I thought I was going crazy. The song was explained in the rhuidean visions Did Jordan forget
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Data Graham posted:lol yeah I thought I was going crazy. The song was explained in the rhuidean visions
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Rand is singing in the garden with his 2nd meeting with tuon. Only it's something like the wind beneath the willows. I don't think it's the actual song that matters, just the intent and trick of it. "I’ve heard that tune somewhere, once … Is it ‘Two Maids at the Water’s Edge’?”" This is from when mat notices rand is singing under his breath as rand causes the flowers and grass to grow in the garden
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didn't grass start growing in his footsteps at some point without any songs?
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ChubbyChecker posted:didn't grass start growing in his footsteps at some point without any songs? Without anyone noticing a song. I think that bit with mat is sando pulling back the curtain on what happened at the meeting at Melior
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“There can be no health in us, nor any good thing grow, for the land is one with the Dragon Reborn, and he is one with the land.” IMO the growth is basically a result of Rand having his zen moment atop the Dragonmount and accepting himself and his fate. When he is at peace, the land around him follows suit.
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