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Electric Phantasm posted:Luffy respecting Katakuri enough to cover his face after he takes him down is a good rear end Luffy moment even more than all the goofy poo poo he does throughout WCI. Luffy is one of the most empathetic person in the series. His emotional intelligence is off the charts.
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Infinitum posted:Cause it didn't take 5 years to finish? I don't agree with the "Wano too long" criticism. It's like the penultimate arc of the series' main story. It should be a long arc! After 25 years of yelling "I'm gonna be king of the pirates!" and antagonists scoffing at him, now he's proven himself a real contender for the title. And even though it was a long arc, it was all really good! The Oden flashback, prison mine and Queen, Kaido + Big Mom alliance, Yasuie's sacrifice, the Strawhats appearing to save the samurai at the start of the raid, dinosaur fights and fun facts and Gear 5 were all excellent.
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if anything wano needed to be like 3 chapters longer lol. that ending was so abrupt it felt like jinbe was supposed to fight jack and brook was going to get a 1 on 1 too but jinbe just junking some dude with no effort was super satisfying anyway. wish usopp won a real fight too. but overall like, wano felt epic and luffy felt like a complete and total underdog and its the arc where he leveled up the most by far and he needed that for it to feel satisfying when he fights people now. i assume he never needs to power up ever again.
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Dumb vs question: who would win in a no-holds brawl to the death, Kaido or a hangry wedding-cake raged Big Mom? I honestly can't pick a victor here, this always comes out as a draw for my logic.
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anime was right posted:wci was such a fun arc. in retrospect i like it more than wano. I like Wano acts 1 and 2 more than WCI first half, and act 3 onigashima less than WCI’s final half. Overall Wano wins imo. YMMV
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White Light posted:Dumb vs question: who would win in a no-holds brawl to the death, Kaido or a hangry wedding-cake raged Big Mom? I honestly can't pick a victor here, this always comes out as a draw for my logic. i believe that gear 5 luffy was the only thing capable of defeating kaido in a 1 on 1, and even that was kind of iffy. always bet on kaido
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Sub Harrison posted:I don't agree with the "Wano too long" criticism. It's like the penultimate arc of the series' main story. It should be a long arc! After 25 years of yelling "I'm gonna be king of the pirates!" and antagonists scoffing at him, now he's proven himself a real contender for the title. And even though it was a long arc, it was all really good! The Oden flashback, prison mine and Queen, Kaido + Big Mom alliance, Yasuie's sacrifice, the Strawhats appearing to save the samurai at the start of the raid, dinosaur fights and fun facts and Gear 5 were all excellent. Yeahhh but like, some of that stuff didn't super pan out in hindsight, or perhaps wasn't worth the build up. Off the top of my head, probably could have cut out anything with the Numbers. The ice Oni stuff did give Chopper his singular moment in Wano (which was good) but I think could have been truncated a bit because it felt like forever. The loving... Enemy group of ninja whatever they were called were all a waste of space (even if the final fight between Raizo and Big Forehead was good). Hawkins, Apoo, and Drake all kinda felt just there to check them off a worst generation involvement list. And since Yamato ultimately ended up not joining (yet??  ), I think the significant panel time he got during Onigashima was also a bit of a waste.Not that any of them was bad per se, but I would rather them cut out if it didn't mean spending 5 years in Wano. Or at least allow for the space for a more emotionally rewarding epilogue.
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Like I do think Wano and Onigashima is a masterclass in moving the correct pieces to where they need to be, something Oda has always been very good at. And given the grueling weekly schedule and the fact that it's still ultimately a good arc after 25 years of serialization, it's really impressive. But in my opinion and only in hindsight, I think I would prefer some stuff be cut and Wano be shorter.
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Kaido has higher durability due to his Zoan so he could probably outlast Big Mom but I think she has higher dps so it would come down to who gets better rolls
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the #1 thing wano and wci did was make luffy feel like hes actually a yonko now and give a plausible reason why hes the truly the protagonist of this world
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Look, my boy is gonna join up with the Straw Hats at the same time that Vivi rejoins, right before they beat the crap out of Elder Star number four.
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Considering the reveal that Pluton is sitting right under Wano I think it’s reasonable to assume that Yamato will have a role to play going forward
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Augus posted:Considering the reveal that Pluton is sitting right under Wano I think it’s reasonable to assume that Yamato will have a role to play going forward I am convinced that Yamato will be back at some point (odds are good that Vivi will link back up with Luffy again eventually as well)
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I'll be honest saturn making me wish he was the guy who made gear 5th happen. Gear 5th is a better answer to him than kaido.
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Augus posted:Considering the reveal that Pluton is sitting right under Wano I think it’s reasonable to assume that Yamato will have a role to play going forward im wondering if momo was like "poo poo im important" because he learned pluton has to be piloted by a dragon
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No Wave posted:I'll be honest saturn making me wish he was the guy who made gear 5th happen. Gear 5th is a better answer to him than kaido. I can kinda see what you're saying. Luffy's power progression felt kinda weird, because he spent so long training to unlock Ryou, for it to get more or less immediately supplanted by Ryou w/ Conqueror's, which then got supplanted with Gear 5. Presumably it's all additive, like he couldn't learn one without the other in sequence and the reason why Gear 5 was so strong was because he was using it with Conqueror's, but yeah maybe spacing out Gear 5 til now would have allowed the previous two techniques to breathe a little more. Sure was cool though. Augus posted:Considering the reveal that Pluton is sitting right under Wano I think it’s reasonable to assume that Yamato will have a role to play going forward That can be Momo's job YAMATO SHOULD HAVE JOINED I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL
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scary ghost dog posted:i believe that gear 5 luffy was the only thing capable of defeating kaido in a 1 on 1, and even that was kind of iffy. always bet on kaido You think either Big Mom or Kaido would have stayed down if they hadn't landed in a lava bath? Failing that even, I'm not sure if Kaido couldn't have avoided the biggest punch if he'd wanted to. There was always an air of wanting to lose this fight that made me wonder if he was really giving it all he could. We still on break this week? This is a hard chapter to wait on.
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RuBisCO posted:And since Yamato ultimately ended up not joining (yet?? anime was right posted:the #1 thing wano and wci did was make luffy feel like hes actually a yonko now and give a plausible reason why hes the truly the protagonist of this world And honestly, part of the weight of that victory was provided by just how long and grueling it was. As was mentioned, it deserved to be an insanely long arc, considering its place in the story. That said, Whole Cake Island was better. drat, Whole Cake was such a good arc. Wii Spawn Camper posted:Kaido has higher durability due to his Zoan so he could probably outlast Big Mom but I think she has higher dps so it would come down to who gets better rolls
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Caidin posted:We still on break this week? This is a hard chapter to wait on.
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Caidin posted:We still on break this week? This is a hard chapter to wait on. eleven days for official release, about a week for leaks and fanscans
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Caidin posted:You think either Big Mom or Kaido would have stayed down if they hadn't landed in a lava bath? Failing that even, I'm not sure if Kaido couldn't have avoided the biggest punch if he'd wanted to. There was always an air of wanting to lose this fight that made me wonder if he was really giving it all he could. i think kaido and big mom were written to be technically unbeatable through traditional combat and i think they would have stood back up from their final blows if they werent narratively removed by burying them so deep underground that they were submerged in magma. to me, the fight between luffy and kaido represented the first situation where luffy could not win by simply beating up his opponent, and gear 5 as a “form” defeating kaido is a metaphor for overcoming an indestructable enemy with mockery and humor
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RuBisCO posted:I can kinda see what you're saying. Luffy's power progression felt kinda weird, because he spent so long training to unlock Ryou, for it to get more or less immediately supplanted by Ryou w/ Conqueror's, which then got supplanted with Gear 5. Wano was the first arc where the post Croc routine of Luffy gets beat and then comes back started to feel a little stale. The repeated "I got you this time!"s really made it feel less like the typical "This is real tough, Luffy's pushed to the edge, can he pull it off?" and started giving hints of "Come on, arcs no over yet, you know this isn't going to work".
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Bisse posted:This panel is just after the flashback ended, when she is 387yrs or whatever old. Digging myself out of this hole by pointing out her clear signs of arrested development
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There's always money in the wedding cake stand.
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Gyges posted:Wano was the first arc where the post Croc routine of Luffy gets beat and then comes back started to feel a little stale. The repeated "I got you this time!"s really made it feel less like the typical "This is real tough, Luffy's pushed to the edge, can he pull it off?" and started giving hints of "Come on, arcs no over yet, you know this isn't going to work". he gets so many huge upgrades during the kaido fight that do absolutely nothing to improve his chances, its like the structure is taken to its extreme for sixty chapters. which is crazy to read but in retrospect looks very intentional, like oda was going “here are all the special techniques luffy can learn. he knows them all now and you got to watch him learn them.” but it still barely does anything to kaido lol. really felt like the ultimate straightforward one piece fight. from here on out, gear 5 wins a 1v1
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g5 was the only thing at all that really gave luffy a chance vs kaido yeah. his whole shtick of "this is my last gear 4" before he got killed seemed reasonable at the time but given what we saw kaido do afterward, luffy was legit nowhere near putting him down.
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Monkey D Dragon may have committed some light treason.
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NachtSieger posted:I don't get it. https://youtu.be/BYTNMCWrxEg?si=xYTkTfnlYgJ2_LwI
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NachtSieger posted:I don't get it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI-ouFNzt0U
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Gyges posted:Wano was the first arc where the post Croc routine of Luffy gets beat and then comes back started to feel a little stale. Think people said the same thing about Doffy tbh. Probs Katakuri too.
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I liked pretty much all of Wano Country but Onigashima suffered from simultaneously being bloated with too many characters and not quite providing closure for everyone at the end. My other issue is I feel like Kaido's character and position as an antagonist is sortof unclear - if we're to blame him for everything that happened to Wano (which he is ultimately responsible for) he should be absolutely hated and evil, but a lot of that hatred gets directed at Orochi instead by the narrative and during the fight Kaido often feels like more of a great rival to overcome than a loathsome antagonist. I kindof found I wasn't really able to fully see with him as either and that lessened the impact of his fight.
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Even if it was a bit redundant when Gear Five arrived, Luffy's training made it obvious how it was going to let him injure Kaido, so when he was finally able to land the blow with Red Roc it was just so good. We also don't know that Gear Five alone would have been enough! Maybe he also needed Ryou on top of it, like Law needing to push damage directly into Big Mom.
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