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Halloween Jack posted:It didn't help that they went out of their way to do things that e.g. killed Flair's drawing power in Greensboro and places where he was beloved. I would say it is very incorrect that when Nitro sucked the PPVs were still good. 1999 WCW PPVs were mainly very bad and I think it is fair to say there isn't a single great WCW PPV between Spring Stampede 99 and Greed. The house show business completely tanked in 99 too although it would get even worse in 2000. I think it is also fair to say that between Spring Stampede 99 and Greed there is only one "good" PPV and it's the one with the Triple Cage. But there aren't a lot of great PPVs in the Nitro period. In 95 you have Starrcade if you are a little generous, in 96 GAB and BATB, in 97 I think maybe half and in 98... Souled Out, Superbrawl and I dunno what else and with Superbrawl you have to ignore a really bad main event.
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Looking back at how badly Warrior bombed in WCW and the crowds hating it I wonder if that was also a key factor in getting people ready to turn off once it was clear Goldberg was no longer gonna be pushed cause boy howdy I knew it was bad but looking back on it there was just some awful TV that nobody liked Was anyone actually excited about Ultimate Warrior in 1998 or was he brought in only for Hogan to get his win back?
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Was anyone actually excited about Ultimate Warrior in 1998 or was he brought in only for Hogan to get his win back? Search within your heart. You know the truth deep down.
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I mean when he first confronted Hogan on Nitro it got a great pop so people were interested in the match. They immediately fumbled everything but there is a way you can build that match where you don't burn people out and it gets a good buy rate but that involves both Hogan and Warrior knowing their weaknesses and whelp
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neoaxd posted:Search within your heart. You know the truth deep down. I'm sure there were still Hulkamaniacs holding out hope that could be good again and were excited for him to beat up Warrior?
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Was that when they did the inexplicable mirror promo thing?
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SatoshiMiwa posted:build that match where you don't burn people out Joke about Hogan trying to use flash paper here.
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Wise Fwom Yo Gwave posted:Was that when they did the inexplicable mirror promo thing? Yep. And to SatoshiMiwa's point, the feud started with everyone going wild when Warrior suddenly appeared, and then everyone going quieter and quieter as he just keeps talking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeC7n4wTnXA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0OfeWUHLIE This could have been a really good five minute segment.
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Oh double u enn One Warrior Nation Lives rent free in my head forever Alongside Horace Hogan slowly turning around in the aisle
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Was anyone actually excited about Ultimate Warrior in 1998 or was he brought in only for Hogan to get his win back? I was really excited when he showed up and frankly excited the entire time. You have to understand I never watched the Worst Wrestling Federation so I didn't know how bad he was.
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There’s a moment in that first Warrior segment where someone in the crowd plays a trombone and it’s loving hilarious.
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Like I'm not sure anybody in the US could of booked the best version of Hogan/Warrior in 98 given their ego's and creative control but Bischoff 100% wasn't the guy to do it
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the target is scoped and locked for destruction take the dog to hell
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Speaking as a former little warrior... At his best Warrior was ball lightning in human form. Just a hyperkinetic force of nature. Unfortunately his best ended around 1992 or so.
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Alaois posted:the target is scoped and locked for destruction
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Alaois posted:the target is scoped and locked for destruction
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Does anyone do the figure four but with arms?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Does anyone do the figure four but with arms? *tries to do the math on how to do that, anatomically* 
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Behold my non-Euclidean submission move
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Like a Texas cloverleaf? Or like the opponents arms are getting figure-foured? I don't think the latter is possible without dislocating a shoulder and/or bending the elbow an unusual way
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Yeah, all arms.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Yeah, all arms. I guess you could do it with just one arm but then you'd just have an arm bar with bells and whistles.
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Trying to translate the figure four leglock to arms at strictly as I can, I guess it would be something like this? 
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Does anyone do the figure four but with arms? Bryan Danielson is inverting himself in mid-air to reverse the pressure!!!
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PublicOpinion posted:Trying to translate the figure four leglock to arms at strictly as I can, I guess it would be something like this? and then to reverse the pressure you have to stand on your head
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Jack Cartwheel, I have a spot idea...
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Does anyone do the figure four but with arms? A figure four armlock is also known as a keylock or Americana or a top wristlock. There's also the double wristlock/chicken wing/kimura/reverse keylock.
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do it with their arms behind their back. then German suplex them on their heads
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PublicOpinion posted:Trying to translate the figure four leglock to arms at strictly as I can, I guess it would be something like this? now kiss
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Vandar posted:Anyone have the link to the old HHH hate thread handy? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4029137
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People always talk about the hard cam in televised American wrestling. Why don't they use some of those wire style cams the NFL uses or even drones? The bandwidth back to the trucks?
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Lucifunk posted:People always talk about the hard cam in televised American wrestling. Why don't they use some of those wire style cams the NFL uses or even drones? The bandwidth back to the trucks? Smaller venues probably makes the wire setup kind of cramped and there’s probably some rules about flying drones over a crowd in that kind of enclosed environment I guess, there’s not a million miles of empty space around the ring for a drone to be whizzing around in. The hardcam is more about having a defined “this is where the bulk of the audience is watching from” position as a marker for performers than anything else. You wouldn’t see it as much in a real sport because they aren’t trying to put on a show in the same way so the camera follows the unpredictable action instead.
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Lucifunk posted:People always talk about the hard cam in televised American wrestling. Why don't they use some of those wire style cams the NFL uses or even drones? The bandwidth back to the trucks? You made me think of all the times I've seen a baseball game with a ton of empty seats at a stadium - do baseball fans ever worry about their sport dying the way wrestling fans do? Well I should say non wwe wrestling fans
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That makes sense.
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Shard posted:You made me think of all the times I've seen a baseball game with a ton of empty seats at a stadium - do baseball fans ever worry about their sport dying the way wrestling fans do? Well I should say non wwe wrestling fans There was some concern over lower baseball attendance for a bit, but there's not as much talk about it, I think because 1) it's a pretty high floor - people will never completely stop going to baseball games and 2) TV ratings are doing well, I believe. (That is, people haven't stopped watching baseball; they just don't go to as many games.) MLB has made a lot of changes lately to try to address game length, which is usually considered to be the main reason why people don't go to games, and it definitely seemed like it helped. (I don't know if attendance numbers started going back up, but there definitely was a ton more hype around baseball over the last season or two.) Although the other main reason people stopped going to games was ticket prices, and those don't seem to be trending anywhere other than up.
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I went to my first and likely only mlb game last year in LA. It cost 20 god drat American dollars for one beer. Maybe that’s why no one’s going.
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