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Ytlaya posted:I think the unrealistic part is that this would result in anything other than "just being worse than other players," especially for a popular game with a huge player-base. Except Sunraku is as has been mentioned at the level of a professional video game player, thats What Katzo is and they are roughly peers in terms of skill. If we allow for "vr technology that lets your in game body move like a regular body" Which is a part of this setting overall, then movement and reflexes would be transferable. Also he has done some reading and fact checking since he searched up the rabituza scenario so Sunraku has been getting information... he just skipped the very basic stuff that nobody talks about because "everyone knows this" Also likely, though he won't get it, there is some reward for like maxing your level but never combining skills to appeal to hardcore type people. Also for some real world experience... My wife got me into playing WoW, she has played since like Vanilla, I got in, skipped the tutorial stuff, and immediately started doing better than she was because simply I was able to "click" with the flow of gameplay better and apply some trial and error. She's still rather salty about it.
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You could probably have better reflexes in magic future VR because human reaction time's bottleneck is the eye's ability to send information to the brain not your ability to process it.
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Essentially, SLF is a VRJPRG and, from what we've seen so far, akin to what you'd find in FF16 or Xenoblade Chronicles. After 50 years, us cavemen in the present are used to very specific command structures in games (WASD movement, spacebar is jump, left mouse fire/attack, etc.)* and a future player like Sunraku who's been playing games for years will have all the basic controls down perfectly by now. So why is he training in a completely different game? Because of the unexpected. Even with the foreknowledge of the battle that Arthur's providing, there's a decent chance that something nobody's experienced before will take place, especially as the battle gets close to the end. Think of the times you've been at the final 10-25% of a boss' HP and they suddenly pull an attack out of their rear end that you haven't ever seen before and one-shot's you. Especially for bosses where nobody has ever beaten them. What he's training now is his reaction time to such sudden changeovers. But AI is AI, and no matter what you do you learn those attack patterns to the point where they're second nature to beat. So who do you fight to practice changing things up? Other players, of course. No matter what you do, there's always some schmuck who figured out a counter to it, or is assing around and makes a sudden discovery. The newbie he's facing off against at the end of the last episode is likely to be fresh meat, but it's also possible he'll try things others may not have and get in a few good shots if not a complete win. And he has to do it in a different game, since doing so in SLF will get him a massive PK flag. (There doesn't appear to be any arena where PVP is allowed. Pity.) It's also a great way to think outside of the box and see if something in BERP gives him an idea to try against Weazemon. Either way, just playing something different but familiar can be a good way to relax after grinding for hours in your chosen game. *Different for controller players, of course. And most games also let you change controls if the defaults don't match what you like. Egads, that's a lot of blather. Here: PENIS PENIS PENIS HAMDINGER WOODCHUCK POTATO 
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AtomikKrab posted:Except Sunraku is as has been mentioned at the level of a professional video game player, thats What Katzo is and they are roughly peers in terms of skill. If we allow for "vr technology that lets your in game body move like a regular body" Which is a part of this setting overall, then movement and reflexes would be transferable. Yeah, allowing for the bolded is what I mention in my later post. It just also means that VRMMOs in series like this don't even remotely resemble any actual real-life MMOs*. As I mentioned, they're more similar to "RPG-like isekai settings" than they are "any real-life game" (since they don't just require the hyper-technology for "full immersion VR," but also some sort of transcendent game development that makes creating such a game possible in the first place). So I think they're perfectly fine, just as long as you think of them as sci-fi more than anything related to actual video games. * earlier in this discussion someone had mentioned this series being more realistic to actual games (and I think I was initially replying to a post replying to them): doomrider7 posted:I dunno, pretty much everything seen and done in the series including the titular game has a real life equivalent in real life and the writer being enough of a Turbo Gamer that they wanted to buy Armored Core 6 on the company dollar as a business expense. Ditto for taking numerous breaks that coincided with the releases of BotW, Elden Ring, TotK, Armored Core, and several other games.
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That newbie is going to end up being some kind of pro who's hustling him, right? I can't see being a mentor in an old game as a plot arc that makes sense.
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Grandito posted:That newbie is going to end up being some kind of pro who's hustling him, right? I can't see being a mentor in an old game as a plot arc that makes sense. That's what Pencilgon is doing for Sunraku and Oicazzo right now. Granted, they're on kind of an accelerated track, but y'know, it's like poetry, it rhymes.
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And we're back. New OP still goes hard, and we got some more quality rabbit content this week.
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Mad props for cloning the azure devops/github action icons during the patch deploy.
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Honestly I wish we'd get more behind-the-scenes stuff at the game company.
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Glazius posted:Honestly I wish we'd get more behind-the-scenes stuff at the game company. Yeah they kind of skipped that. There was supposed to be a scene of the head dev gloating how no ines beaten any of the bosses. It might've been moved though.
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Nemo2342 posted:And we're back. Elke is so sweet, she'll sell you the clothes off her back. Wait, reverse that. She'll sell you your own clothes. And tell you it's on a discount. Loved it when Sunraku started imitating her speech patterns. So now we have Emul Vysache PEATZ Beelach and Elke. We still haven't met the king(?) of Rabituza. I wonder if that will be this season?
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Doodles posted:Elke is so sweet, she'll sell you the clothes off her back. Wait, reverse that. She'll sell you your own clothes. And tell you it's on a discount. Loved it when Sunraku started imitating her speech patterns. Pretty sure that's just Vysache.
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Supremezero posted:Pretty sure that's just Vysache. Nah, Emul mentions a brother who rules Rabituza as king. We have no real idea what Vysache's role in Rabituza is.
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Vysache is the boss. He does boss things.
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Doodles posted:Elke is so sweet, she'll sell you the clothes off her back. Wait, reverse that. She'll sell you your own clothes. And tell you it's on a discount. Loved it when Sunraku started imitating her speech patterns. I think Vysache is currently in charge... but not by choice as he was originally the smith/playboy
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Doodles posted:Elke is so sweet, she'll sell you the clothes off her back. Wait, reverse that. She'll sell you your own clothes. And tell you it's on a discount. Loved it when Sunraku started imitating her speech patterns. I wouldn't count on it we've yet to see him in the manga.
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No episode this week, but here's a summary of the series so far in their YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2WzOuhZn2I
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New episode! Mia continues to own; so glad they keep using her as a running gag. The deal with Orcelott and Pencilgon being siblings appears to be new material that wasn't in the manga (though maybe it was in the WN?) Weazamon fight looks like it's going to be pretty drat good.
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Nemo2342 posted:The deal with Orcelott and Pencilgon being siblings appears to be new material that wasn't in the manga (though maybe it was in the WN?) I'm a little behind, but the US release adds a "bonus chapter" of what's clearly WN at the end of each volume, and they do cover Pencilgon's sibling, so it seems like that might just be something excised until relevant in adaptation.
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claw game handjob posted:I'm a little behind, but the US release adds a "bonus chapter" of what's clearly WN at the end of each volume, and they do cover Pencilgon's sibling, so it seems like that might just be something excised until relevant in adaptation. Which one is this? I think I missed it.
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doomrider7 posted:Which one is this? I think I missed it. "The Defeated Never Fear Tomorrow." Also I completely misread one line in the chapter, which led to my misunderstanding. I'm full of poo poo, ignore this. I misread the line about the person we knew was Rei's sister as being Towa's.
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Knowing the voice actors just got hitched really made the Emul scenes shine.
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I do appreciate the running gag they've got going with Mia. And hey, they finally made it to the fireworks factory. I like how Pencilgon's big gambit also cut off the one place Asura Kai was expecting to run, didn't catch that detail on the first read.
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Glazius posted:I do appreciate the running gag they've got going with Mia. The manga doesn’t make that as explicit as the anime does. After Pencilgon watches the raid on Asura Kai start it shifts focus to the Tombguard fight until that is completely resolved.
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Catching up is the 14.5 episode worth watching at all or is it just recap?
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Electric Phantasm posted:Catching up is the 14.5 episode worth watching at all or is it just recap? It's pretty much just recap.
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I love how they're managing to keep up with the series' humor during this battle.
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Nemo2342 posted:I love how they're managing to keep up with the series' humor during this battle. Best part of it really, this is also exactly what a bunch of gamers who are good friends would be doing to each other as they fight a raid boss. Ribbing each other on the dumb poo poo they are doing while still taking the actual fight seriously. The pacing for the fight is also holding up decently
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Who among us has not pointed a boss the wrong way and felt like poo poo? The documentary at the end was maybe one of the best minis they've done, too.
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Glazius posted:Who among us has not pointed a boss the wrong way and felt like poo poo? Of course I know that person, it's me. I pointed the bosses cone the wrong way and filled the arena with bad.
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if this follows typical MMO dev precedent, when weathermon falls the devs are going to almost immediately accuse the trio of exploiting
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bean mom posted:if this follows typical MMO dev precedent, when weathermon falls the devs are going to almost immediately accuse the trio of exploiting Or it will go like "so he was finally beaten eh? one of the major clans pulled it off I presume?" "No, it was a brawler girl, a PKing sadist girl, and a half naked birdman." "Nani?!"
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Can someone make a small gif of the scene in the previous episode when Emul is perching on his shoulder and tries to get the second shoo the second mailbird away?
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AtomikKrab posted:Of course I know that person, it's me. I pointed the bosses cone the wrong way and filled the arena with bad. The whole thing was giving me flashbacks to tanking in Final Fantasy XIV.
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Yeah, one of the endearing things about SLF is that the author has clearly played a lot of MMOs and knows what makes them interesting. For example, a lot of authors would be tempted to add some melodrama to this current fight to up the stakes. Instead, it's just a lady with a dumb pun name getting over-invested in the lore, and relying on her idiot friends to tank good. It'd be fun thing to do in a real MMO, and it's a fun thing to watch in SLF.
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Haystack posted:Yeah, one of the endearing things about SLF is that the author has clearly played a lot of MMOs and knows what makes them interesting. For example, a lot of authors would be tempted to add some melodrama to this current fight to up the stakes. Instead, it's just a lady with a dumb pun name getting over-invested in the lore, and relying on her idiot friends to tank good. It'd be fun thing to do in a real MMO, and it's a fun thing to watch in SLF. It's even got a bit more 'realism' than a lot of similar takes because the defeat of the boss isn't even 'look at their overpowered cheat skill etc' but instead a combination of good players, he ay preparation and throwing obscene amounts of money at the problem. Sure there is an element of literary conceit (why does she not describe all the bosses attacks and her plans in advance, other than that she is a dick like them), but the core loop behind fighting this is very similar to something like absolute virtue, albiet by abusing overpowered consumables rather than cheap abilities.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Why bother with 100% revival items, if all attacks one hit kill anyway? Because you're limited per type in how many revival items you can carry.
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