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I feel like the best we can hope for is Vince's inner circle purged from WWE. Anything else is a sad dream in this godsforsaken world.
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ChrisBTY posted:I feel like the best we can hope for is Vince's inner circle purged from WWE. Anything else is a sad dream in this godsforsaken world. The best we can hope for is a series of exposes causes the stock to crash and large scale purges combined with UFC losing their class action lawsuit leading to TKO being sold off for parts to the funniest possible people. Giving us Bjorn Rebney owned UFC, WWE dead and the tape library owned by Tony Khan.
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Feb 7, 2024 04:52
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MassRafTer posted:The best we can hope for is a series of exposes causes the stock to crash and large scale purges combined with UFC losing their class action lawsuit leading to TKO being sold off for parts to the funniest possible people. The UFC lawsuit makes me think TKO is gonna fight this cause if they start settling it'll kill the stock just from the sheer volume they'd have to settle from other potential suits. But if this gets to Discovery and isn't sealed they'll be hosed I guess they try and blame it all on Vince and try and say he should be the target and TKO shouldnt
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SatoshiMiwa posted:The UFC lawsuit makes me think TKO is gonna fight this cause if they start settling it'll kill the stock just from the sheer volume they'd have to settle from other potential suits. But if this gets to Discovery and isn't sealed they'll be hosed Can you even settle antitrust lawsuit? Seems like that defeats the purpose but also ironically the funniest outcome possible.
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Feb 7, 2024 05:08
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MassRafTer posted:Meltzer is now saying creative knew and Triple H booked the Rumble the way he did regardless. How does this company keep finding ways to make themselves look worse? At a certain point, it just becomes a performance art.
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Feb 7, 2024 05:40
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So basically either A) The Rock joins the Board and immediately inserts himself into the Wrestlemania Main Event but they don't tell anyone this is happening including HHH until after the Royal Rumble for no discernable reason or B) HHH was aware before the Rumble and continued booking what he wanted to do anyway just to spite them????
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Feb 7, 2024 05:43
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Grem posted:Can you even settle antitrust lawsuit? Seems like that defeats the purpose but also ironically the funniest outcome possible. The Cung Le anti-trust is a civil suit so I think they can settle(don't hold me to it), it's just Class action with the potential of up to 1000 fighters being involved so any settlement could be as devastating as losing in court. It's why they went to Discovery instead of just paying the money when it wasn't thrown out, it's has the potential to be in the hundreds of million on the low end along with also setting precedent to allow other fighters not in the case to sue as well It's why TKO settled with MLW, they 100% want to be focusing on this case as they have to win or the company is in big trouble. So of course a big Sex trafficking/Abuse/Rape civil suit is 100% not what they want to deal with right now. But again we know there's multiple NDA's out from Vince and chances are there is more we haven't heard of or people afraid to come forward. As much as TKO would like this to go away the losses if they settle and don't fight it could potentially be big so they're probably going to have to fight this even if Discovery is gonna be horrible for them
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SatoshiMiwa posted:The Cung Le anti-trust is a civil suit so I think they can settle(don't hold me to it), it's just Class action with the potential of up to 1000 fighters being involved so any settlement could be as devastating as losing in court. It's why they went to Discovery instead of just paying the money when it wasn't thrown out, it's has the potential to be in the hundreds of million on the low end along with also setting precedent to allow other fighters not in the case to sue as well The fun shareholder suit will be when somebody goes after the merger deal from the perspective of 'you took a worse deal for shareholders because the buyer put in writing that nobody could stop you from operating your rape factory'. The merger due diligence documents will show they knew Vince was doing reprehensible poo poo because they said in a stylised way that his doing reprehensible poo poo was a potential threat to the value of the company in the 10-k. Between the cung le thing and all the different ways this issue is going to go horribly wrong the company, it probably doesn't have the liquidy enough assets on hand to settle everything.
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Feb 7, 2024 13:08
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Drakkel posted:So basically either There's a secret third option! C) WWE is booking the specific sequence of events they are to maximize fan outrage, because they'd much prefer fans be mad at them for being mean to Cody than for anything else that might have come up in the last couple of weeks
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Feb 7, 2024 13:27
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Claytor posted:There's a secret third option! I'm seeing people suggest this, and I just don't buy it. This would require a level of sophistication of blending the booking into real life that they haven't really shown, ever. It's also Dwayne playing heel in this meta-work - something I doubt he would have agreed to.
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Feb 7, 2024 17:40
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Surprised the booker of the year hasn't gotten the top of the card ironed out months in advance. Even Vince was capable of that.
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Feb 7, 2024 17:58
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Dwayne came back to WWE to lick his wounds and rebuild his celebrity stock; he's now having to deplete his popularity in order to help distract from systemic abuse.
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Feb 7, 2024 18:02
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THR posted what is mostly a puff piece (including a claim that UFC being part of Endeavor made it more palatable to Bud Light despite Bud Light having sponsored UFC long before the sale) but there are some interesting notes. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/vince-mcmahon-wwe-tko-exit-1235817722/ quote:Sources say that even while McMahon was no longer an active member of the executive team, he would weigh in on creative decisions, reaching out to employees by email and text with suggestions. So much for the claims that Vince had no creative influence.
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Feb 7, 2024 18:35
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with as much control Vince exerted while officially in, I have no doubt that even now he's texting people unsolicited ideas and they're running with them out of habit. Exterminatus.
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Feb 7, 2024 18:39
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Drakkel posted:B) HHH was aware before the Rumble and continued booking what he wanted to do anyway just to spite them???? First, gently caress Jean-Paul Levesque for being an aider and abettor of VKM and other loathsome creatures in the WWF/E. Investigate him, charge him, prosecute him, file civil cases against him, and redistribute his blood money to the victims of his family's crimes. Second, So HHH spends a quarter-century-plus being the ultimate company man, accrues influence in backstage politics, and marries the bosses' daughter. Blows out his quad, comes back a lesser performer, and outlasts most of his contemporaries in-ring. Throughout all this he's either complicit or intentionally 'ignorant' about most/all the godawful stuff described in this thread. He finally gets a chance to cut his teeth booking a show, and it's actually quite good! Until it's expanded, used as an attempted counter-program to AEW, and finally re-imagined by VKM's lapdogs with Hunter being reassigned, essentially. Then he had a significant heart attack and nearly dies, but recovers enough to return to his duties in under a year. Finally, the father-in-law who was responsible for HHH's power and privilege (and presumably a vile rear end in a top hat as a boss and FIL) has his first reckoning, resignation, then sudden return and coup of the Board (including HHH). The company (which he must at some point have envisioned being partially inherited by Steph/himself) is sold off in a deal which brings them under the scrutiny and influence of Ari & co, outsiders who HHH presumably know IRL but with whom he has not fostered decades of leverage and status. And finally, just as the calendar flips over to 2024, he receives word that the Main Event of Wrestlemania has been booked by the money men who haven't dedicated their lives to the business. Who have they inserted into the headlining match? Why, it's the guy who started his wrestling career alongside HHH, who skyrocketed with Austin to become The faces of the business, and headlined the biggest shows during the biggest boom the business ever experienced, before stepping away from WWE to become a legit movie star and actual mainstream celebrity. For nearly twenty years, Dwayne had succeeded in ways HHH must have envied, but at least Hunter had his key role in Vince's fiefdom, and when 2024 began was ensconced in his booking role, where he could envision decades as The Creator of the on-screen product. Except no, the folks who run the larger company which bought out the WWE have decided that his former colleague, the guy who left 20 years ago, is who they want to install as the figurehead of The Brand. And to make the change resonate on-screen in addition to quarterly filings and press junkets, The Rock will be challenging Roman at WM40, with The Rock and Ari and others demonstrating they'll exert their influence over the booking at will. The number crunchers in the business world have read the tea leaves and believe Dwayne is the man, and Cody and Punk and whoever else are lessers. HHH opting to do nothing, to book the Rumble as if he had full control, and allow Cody to call Roman out to a huge pop, is arguably the most believable reaction for him to have. It's spiteful to an extent, but Ari and The Rock would have their plan enacted regardless. This way, HHH gets to maximize his ability to deflect locker room frustrations to the suits in Vegas, and he gets to hear the fanbase turn against The Rock as a sort of personal validation. In a business as hosed up and toxic as professional wrestling, nearly everything will come down to entitled warped men acting on greed, ego, and impulsive emotions.
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81sidewinder posted:I'm seeing people suggest this, and I just don't buy it. This would require a level of sophistication of blending the booking into real life that they haven't really shown, ever. It's also Dwayne playing heel in this meta-work - something I doubt he would have agreed to. It's plausible. They already have the precedent for how this works, Danielson's WM30 campaign. Also the thought that Dwayne gives that much of a poo poo about the Rock's alignment is amusing. In the very least, it is an effective smokescreen for the common viewer.
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cagliostr0 posted:The fun shareholder suit will be when somebody goes after the merger deal from the perspective of 'you took a worse deal for shareholders because the buyer put in writing that nobody could stop you from operating your rape factory'. The merger due diligence documents will show they knew Vince was doing reprehensible poo poo because they said in a stylised way that his doing reprehensible poo poo was a potential threat to the value of the company in the 10-k. Between the cung le thing and all the different ways this issue is going to go horribly wrong the company, it probably doesn't have the liquidy enough assets on hand to settle everything. The shareholder suit has strong potential, and a class-action suit of everyone who worked for WWE has strong potential.
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Evil Badman posted:It's plausible. They already have the precedent for how this works, Danielson's WM30 campaign. Also the thought that Dwayne gives that much of a poo poo about the Rock's alignment is amusing. The Rock has proven to time and time again he is always gotten to. He's gonna be the hero. He wants people to love him. And great post on HGH Kalensc.
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kalensc posted:First, gently caress Jean-Paul Levesque for being an aider and abettor of VKM and other loathsome creatures in the WWF/E. Investigate him, charge him, prosecute him, file civil cases against him, and redistribute his blood money to the victims of his family's crimes. What interests me with the Rock situation is that it's reminiscent of what was happening before Vince went away the first time. Nick Khan was taking control and was making decisions based on cold business. Cold business that does not care about wrestling logic. It works in a way that Triple H, Tony Khan, and usually even Vince don't. It doesn't care if they're releasing a wrestler who is advertised for the next night's show. They don't care what storylines need to be wrapped up, even abruptly. They don't care how high up the card Braun Strowman is. It's the kind of logic that gave us the Radicalz. Hell, Nick Khan probably would have told Ultimate Warrior to go home before Summerslam 91. He wouldn't have cared if Jeff Jarrett still had the Intercontinental Championship without a contract. Triple H survived that kind of thing (even in the sense that it almost literally killed him) and almost came out completely on top by outlasting Vince. But now the same kind of situation is screwing with him, only instead of Nick Khan working alongside a crazy person who at least considers Triple H family, he's dealing with someone sane who probably doesn't think highly of Triple H on a personal level. And he's on a board of people based on this cold business logic. With his probable ties to Vince looming and what seems to be a struggle with the Rock and friends, Triple H is in danger of seriously eating poo poo, which is pretty funny when you realize that WrestleMania 40 was pretty much going to be his moment of glory.
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Feb 7, 2024 20:38
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The company is in deep poo poo if Johnny keeps talking. https://twitter.com/timmarchman/status/1755315603433247141
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Feb 7, 2024 20:42
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loving hell, actual justice for Ashley. Never thought I'd see the day.
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Feb 7, 2024 20:43
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Jesus gently caress, Johnny is singin' like a bird.
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Never thought I'd see the day where I'd want to hear Johnny talk.
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Gavok posted:Never thought I'd see the day where I'd want to hear Johnny talk.
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It should be noted that Johnny isn't exactly being honorable here, like with the lawsuit he's confirming things, but also that he did nothing wrong.quote:“Any allegations that Mr. Laurinaitus helped to cover up an alleged rape allegation is an outright lie,” wrote Laurinaitis’ lawyer, Edward Brennan, in response to questions about Massaro’s allegations. “Johnny, like most upper level management at sometime became aware of the allegations and ensured all proper WWE protocols were followed, including privacy for the alleged victim. We object to the use of the term cover up as no such plan or plot ever took place to hide or assist in the alleged rape.”
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MassRafTer posted:It should be noted that Johnny isn't exactly being honorable here, like with the lawsuit he's confirming things, but also that he did nothing wrong. He's a rat desperately fleeing the ship, but he's chewing some holes in the meantime
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Gavok posted:What interests me with the Rock situation is that it's reminiscent of what was happening before Vince went away the first time. Nick Khan was taking control and was making decisions based on cold business. Cold business that does not care about wrestling logic. It works in a way that Triple H, Tony Khan, and usually even Vince don't. It doesn't care if they're releasing a wrestler who is advertised for the next night's show. They don't care what storylines need to be wrapped up, even abruptly. They don't care how high up the card Braun Strowman is. It's the kind of logic that gave us the Radicalz. Hell, Nick Khan probably would have told Ultimate Warrior to go home before Summerslam 91. He wouldn't have cared if Jeff Jarrett still had the Intercontinental Championship without a contract. I'm used to being wrong on these things, but I find it difficult to believe that Triple H will survive until the end of the year, or maybe past these next few months: 1: The lawsuit, in which he wasn't directly named but was heavily implied to be Corporate Officer #1. If this lawsuit or any of the legal investigations go into Discovery, he'll 100% be under oath and having to say what he knows. The terrible response to the lawsuit question from the Rumble presser has done him no favors and either WWE PR did a poo poo job of preparing him or Triple H didn't take the matter seriously enough, and neither reason is a particuarly good one. 2: If Endeavor really does want to wash away any McMahon stink from the WWE and effectively start anew, target number one of their list is going to be Vince's son-in-law and the last McMahon-related person still actively involved with the WWE. 3: The Rock's much heralded return to the company and the positioning as public face. The Rock has a past and positive relationship with Nick Kahn and has installed his personal writer on the writing team, meaning there's a natural successor to take over as head booker in case Endeavor goes through with point two above. I fully believe that Triple H is behind the recent leaks of Rock wanting to win the belt at Wrestlemania; Triple H is in desperate need of positive PR and to change the narrative, but he's playing a locker room messaging game while Rock/WWE are playing a board room messaging game. Triple H isn't going to win this battle; he might do some damage to the Rock's PR but Rock's going to win this war. Two other things I'll note is that WWE wanted to run Rock vs Roman for years, it was rumored for Wrestlemania's in Miami and LA. Regardless of Triple H's personal feelings on the matter I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't be in favor of that match under the whole "best for business" motiff that they loved so much. I also have no idea what might happen to Shawn Michaels; he might be elevated from NXT booker to WWE booker, he might get swept up in any changes as Vince-semi adjacent/personal beef with Rock, he might keep his NXT kingdom. Anything could happen in that situation.
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https://twitter.com/POSTwrestling/status/1755321908403257353 Should be a good look into the first major sex abuse scandal in WWE, how it was covered and relates to today.
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81sidewinder posted:I'm seeing people suggest this, and I just don't buy it. This would require a level of sophistication of blending the booking into real life that they haven't really shown, ever. It's also Dwayne playing heel in this meta-work - something I doubt he would have agreed to. I know the prevailing justified attitude toward WWE is "lol lmao" but I think they might be smart enough to do this, especially as part of TKO or Endeavor or what have you it would take something like this for Rocky to be heelish & them to deliver something this successful, but also I love believing the more interesting chaos option so I could be biased
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They didn't book it with the intention of distracting from the scandals, but they are more than happy to pivot and triple down since it's dominating the discourse now
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Claytor posted:There's a secret third option! I 100% unironically believe it's this.
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Another article on the whole situation, nothing new here but it does spend more time focusing on Triple H than most articles, hammering him for the press conference and bringing up the Performance Center abuse. https://www.vulture.com/article/wwe-vince-mcmahon-allegations-explained.html
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MassRafTer posted:It should be noted that Johnny isn't exactly being honorable here, like with the lawsuit he's confirming things, but also that he did nothing wrong. So basically he's contradicting WWE's claim of "Ashley never came to us" and corroborating Ashley's story that she did report what happened to WWE, but he's claiming the way he handled it was totally above board.
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I hope Johnny ace sings like a canary and gives every bit of damning evidence he has access to and then is left penniless and destitute and dies in a ditch somewhere
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yea ok posted:Hope he keeps it up
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Johnny singing like a bird is an attempt to get dropped from the civil suit. They'll trickle out information here and there to try to show Grant's attorney's that he'll go scorched Earth in exchange for being dropped. If they don't take that and keep him in the civil suit, he'll probably recant half of this poo poo and turtle up. But they pretty clearly seem to be trying to show Grant's team that Laurinaitis will play ball if they're willing to. It's definitely not some type of change of heart or atonement thing. This is purely about protecting his financial interests to help land the big fish. Truther Vandross fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Feb 7, 2024 |
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MassRafTer posted:https://twitter.com/POSTwrestling/status/1755321908403257353 wtf happened with Scott D'Amore? Can't I leave the internet for a few hours without something new happening?
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1glitch0 posted:wtf happened with Scott D'Amore? Can't I leave the internet for a few hours without something new happening? Fired due to corporate restructuring BigBallChunkyTime fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Feb 7, 2024 |
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