One Piece Manga Thread: oda called the wrong arc whole cake island

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Gyges: Aug 4, 2004; NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

The cover for 108 should just be Kuma rage punching.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 07:01

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# ? May 24, 2024 04:20

PringleCreamEgg: Jul 2, 2004; Sleep, rest, do your best.

I no longer believe in a �real� redemption for Kizaru, just a deathbed �I wish I lived more honestly to my feelings� kind of thing

# ? Feb 19, 2024 07:52

Scholtz: Aug 24, 2007; Zorchin' some Flemoids

Yeah if Kizaru doesn't sacrifice himself the most actual redemption I think we're gonna get is self-exile.

What I think is actually likely is Kizaru voicing some amount of hesitation in a future scene with Akainu, and Akainu killing him.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 07:58

Brandfarlig: Nov 5, 2009; These colours don't run.

Justin_Brett posted:

I like that thematically Augur goading Saturn like that and looking at him like he's no big deal is kind of like his shooting the flag moment, since he is (probably) Usopp's opponent.

Similar logic as the Strawhats. Can't let one old guy get in the way of conquering the world if you truly mean it.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 10:29

Pureauthor: Jul 8, 2010; ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST

Scholtz posted:

Yeah if Kizaru doesn't sacrifice himself the most actual redemption I think we're gonna get is self-exile.

What I think is actually likely is Kizaru voicing some amount of hesitation in a future scene with Akainu, and Akainu killing him.

Unless Kizaru has Even More Tragic Backstory to pull out of his coat pocket (which... fair, this is One Piece) this situation is pretty much the highest his personal stakes could possibly go. He's tasked with murdering his old friend and a 12 year old girl he personally knows. If he's not dipping for this one, what else would make him hesitate.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 10:33

CatstropheWaitress: Nov 26, 2017

Scholtz posted:

Yeah if Kizaru doesn't sacrifice himself the most actual redemption I think we're gonna get is self-exile.

What I think is actually likely is Kizaru voicing some amount of hesitation in a future scene with Akainu, and Akainu killing him.

Sub Akainu out with Imu or the other Elders and yeah, this is where I'm falling as well. Maybe it isn't straight up murder, but he's due for some comeuppance not from the heroes but from the bosses he's about to disappoint.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 10:34

ZepiaEltnamOberon: Oct 25, 2010; I Failed At Anime 2022

Eiba posted:

While I get the joke, I'm pretty tired of the fraud narrative.

I get that being incredibly negative about Mihawk was novel and fun at one point, but constant over the top negativity about characters is not a joke that gets better with time. To me at least.

But people seem to be enjoying themselves, so I'll leave it at that.

Same.

I blame JJK more than anything though.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 11:30

Terper: Jun 26, 2012

Pureauthor posted:

Unless Kizaru has Even More Tragic Backstory to pull out of his coat pocket (which... fair, this is One Piece) this situation is pretty much the highest his personal stakes could possibly go. He's tasked with murdering his old friend and a 12 year old girl he personally knows. If he's not dipping for this one, what else would make him hesitate.

Robin is his long-lost little sister.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 11:38

Augus: Mar 9, 2015

I think the fraudposting is harmless fun except for when someone is clearly getting way too into it. It helps that OP characters in-universe are notoriously petty about being stronger than each other so really it�s just the audience playing along.
I�m late to the party tho so maybe I�ll get sick of the joke too eventually

Augus fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Feb 19, 2024

# ? Feb 19, 2024 12:24

Augus: Mar 9, 2015

part of me wants Shanks to be killed by Mihawk just because the affect it�d have on the community would be incredible

# ? Feb 19, 2024 12:50

Irony Be My Shield: Jul 29, 2012

Love fraudposting personally

# ? Feb 19, 2024 13:02

oddium: Feb 21, 2006; end of the 4.5 tatami age

kizaru is going to join the crew and fight aokiji in the blackbeard showdown

# ? Feb 19, 2024 13:16

lih: May 15, 2013; Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.

do people fraudpost about say, jjba, because that would be really funny

# ? Feb 19, 2024 13:27

mabels big day: Feb 25, 2012

lih posted:

do people fraudpost about say, jjba, because that would be really funny

Probably not to the same degree because the ability to scale characters against each other is basically entirely contextual to individual matchups and situations with how stands work. It doesnt stop some from trying though

The flat truth about powerscale shitposting in One Piece is, at its core, compared to a lot of other battle shonen manga, the ability to "scale" characters against each other in this series is surprisingly consistent. "Serious" powerscaling exists to try and explain away the inconsistencies and look at the story's portrayals of strength and try and make sense of it all. Powerscaling in general is such an unserious subject, people will naturally just try and have fun with it, and they eventually will want to defend or justify the things they enjoy doing.

Oda himself is arguably the biggest powerscaler out there. If he didnt portray characters strength the way he does, powerscaling would be more niche.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 13:36

Electric Phantasm: Apr 7, 2011; YOSPOS

Augus posted:

part of me wants Shanks to be killed by Mihawk just because the affect it’d have on the community would be incredible

Only if it goes down the same way a certain fight in JJK did that caused everyone to go insane.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 13:51

mabels big day: Feb 25, 2012

Also i blame jjk for making the fruadposting style popular and borderline annoying

# ? Feb 19, 2024 13:53

Andrast: Apr 21, 2010

I blame bad posters

# ? Feb 19, 2024 14:15

Irony Be My Shield: Jul 29, 2012

Augus posted:

part of me wants Shanks to be killed by Mihawk just because the affect it�d have on the community would be incredible

It seems pretty inevitable to me that the guy who keeps warning everyone that Blackbeard is dangerous and that he can't defeat Blackbeard alone is going to get killed by Blackbeard

# ? Feb 19, 2024 14:54

hatty: Feb 28, 2011; Pork Pro

Blackbeard is going to kill shanks offscreen

# ? Feb 19, 2024 14:55

mabels big day: Feb 25, 2012

No. I think Buggy will kill Shanks (serious)

# ? Feb 19, 2024 15:05

Potato Salad: Oct 23, 2014; nobody cares

hatty posted:

Blackbeard is going to kill shanks offscreen

No.

Stop that.

No.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 15:09

Infinitum: Jul 30, 2004

Potato Salad posted:

No.

Stop that.

No.

Blackbeard is going to kill shanks onscreen

# ? Feb 19, 2024 15:34

Augus: Mar 9, 2015

mabels big day posted:

Probably not to the same degree because the ability to scale characters against each other is basically entirely contextual to individual matchups and situations with how stands work. It doesnt stop some from trying though

Also most of the �top-tier� abilities in JJBA are ones that alter space and time so doing a hypothetical match-up between Dio and Diavolo is less a debate about who is stronger and more a debate on the quantum physics of someone freezing time at the same time that someone else skips time.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 15:50

MonsterEnvy: Feb 4, 2012; Shocked I tell you

Augus posted:

Also most of the �top-tier� abilities in JJBA are ones that alter space and time so doing a hypothetical match-up between Dio and Diavolo is less a debate about who is stronger and more a debate on the quantum physics of someone freezing time at the same time that someone else skips time.

Diavolo should have the advantage in that encounter cause of his precognition.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 15:55

JahRoo: Oct 22, 2010

We just had a whole thing about king crimson in the JJK thread I don�t need it again here

# ? Feb 19, 2024 16:10

CatstropheWaitress: Nov 26, 2017

Jojo doesn't take creating a sense of scale seriously in any way, the series is a straight up staircase where most battles play out the same (and that's fine, the silly over-explained twist is usually fun). What a fools errand to even try.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 16:15

Scholtz: Aug 24, 2007; Zorchin' some Flemoids

JahRoo posted:

We just had a whole thing about king crimson in the JJK thread I don’t need it again here

What if they bring Foxy back and his awakened fruit power is just King Crimson though

# ? Feb 19, 2024 16:30

Silver2195: Apr 4, 2012

mabels big day posted:

Probably not to the same degree because the ability to scale characters against each other is basically entirely contextual to individual matchups and situations with how stands work. It doesnt stop some from trying though

The flat truth about powerscale shitposting in One Piece is, at its core, compared to a lot of other battle shonen manga, the ability to "scale" characters against each other in this series is surprisingly consistent. "Serious" powerscaling exists to try and explain away the inconsistencies and look at the story's portrayals of strength and try and make sense of it all. Powerscaling in general is such an unserious subject, people will naturally just try and have fun with it, and they eventually will want to defend or justify the things they enjoy doing.

Oda himself is arguably the biggest powerscaler out there. If he didnt portray characters strength the way he does, powerscaling would be more niche.

Powerscaling in One Piece is not only surprisingly consistent (with a few exceptions, mostly involving Marineford), it's also surprisingly steep. This is most obvious with Pacifistas; the Straw Hats' training over the time skip reduces each Pacifista from a difficult fight for the entire crew to a trivial opponent for Sanji. It's not Dragon Ball-level or anything like that, but it's steeper than Naruto was for most of its run, like alone something like JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 17:18

Voxx: Jul 28, 2009; I'll give 'em a hold
and a break to breathe
And if they can't play nice
I won't play with 'em at all

sanji is a creeper and doesn't even lift weights

# ? Feb 19, 2024 17:19

MorningMoon: Dec 29, 2013; He's been tapping into Aunt May's bank account!
Didn't I kill him with a HELICOPTER?

Shonen usually likes to introduce maybe a handful of guys early on that will be the final fights and stay in the shadows for the first half of the whole thing, the peak of the power level if you will, but OP has like a dozen guys working for different factions that are still in the consideration for strongest guy and are active. Mihawk has no feats and was introduced like six months into the story, but fraudposting aside he's believably one of the strongest people in the planet. Its been 25 years of watching this crew make the climb to those powerlevels. 25 years of simmering how loving strong that guy over there that did a thing 16 years ago is very unique; like Jojos reset the power levels to a degree each time it's a new part.

Anyway all that to say it's funny that the guy who spawncamped our crew pre-timeskip is sweating because Base Sanji can low-diff execute a timed parry on his light show.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 17:26

Infinitum: Jul 30, 2004

Thankfully the JJBA weirdo meter keeps rising regardless of arc resets

Currently have a stand whose ability is 'scenery'

# ? Feb 19, 2024 17:30

MorningMoon: Dec 29, 2013; He's been tapping into Aunt May's bank account!
Didn't I kill him with a HELICOPTER?

Infinitum posted:

Thankfully the JJBA weirdo meter keeps rising regardless of arc resets

Currently have a stand whose ability is 'scenery'

I really gotta make the time to re-read part 8 (i stopped reading monthly a while after Milagro Man [the ""fight"" where the lovely sibling kept getting infinite money]) and go straight into 9

# ? Feb 19, 2024 17:33