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Grendels Dad posted:I imagine he (and so many others after him) also underestimated how difficult and exhausting it would be to make that many movies. Has there ever been a franchise planned out like this that actually managed to pull it off and didn't end things after part 4 or fizzling out?
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Casimir Radon posted:The Harry Potter movies managed pretty well. No major upsets. No real major roles had to be recast. None of them bombed. Rowling has completely lost her poo poo since then but they were all out by the time that happened. They did have to recast Dumbledore because the original actor died, at least.
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Casimir Radon posted:The Harry Potter movies managed pretty well. No major upsets. No real major roles had to be recast. None of them bombed. Rowling has completely lost her poo poo since then but they were all out by the time that happened. Yeah, that's a notable one. A small miracle, really, between the potential problems that usually come with aging child actors, changing directors, adapting novels and WB being utter morons.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:They did have to recast Dumbledore because the original actor died, at least.
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Grendels Dad posted:Yeah, that's a notable one. A small miracle, really, between the potential problems that usually come with aging child actors, changing directors, adapting novels and WB being utter morons. I have read that Chris Columbus had an active hand in the auditioning process and carefully vetted potential child actors and their families for the stable, sensible and supportive ones, because of his personal experience with nightmare stage parents from Home Alone.
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Grendels Dad posted:I imagine he (and so many others after him) also underestimated how difficult and exhausting it would be to make that many movies. Has there ever been a franchise planned out like this that actually managed to pull it off and didn't end things after part 4 or fizzling out? I mean, that is a major reason why the MCU was a big deal, they managed to actually pull that kind of thing off for ten years and 22 movies.
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Casimir Radon posted:The Harry Potter movies managed pretty well. No major upsets. No real major roles had to be recast. None of them bombed. Rowling has completely lost her poo poo since then but they were all out by the time that happened. And notably they couldn't repeat the trick with Fantastic Beast which were a loving disaster all around.
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A large factor is that the Harry Potter movies were produced after the relevant book was out for some time and they had the sequels to course correct some of the, let's call them "idiosyncrasies" of the original book by the screenwriters hired. Fantastic beasts had scripts written by Rowling herself with little editorial oversight resulting in a largely alright first movie then going completely haywire from the second onwards
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Also firing whatsit for neither being a bigot nor wanting to enable bigotry. Good look, that.
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The Saddest Rhino posted:A large factor is that the Harry Potter movies were produced after the relevant book was out for some time and they had the sequels to course correct some of the, let's call them "idiosyncrasies" of the original book by the screenwriters hired. Fantastic beasts had scripts written by Rowling herself with little editorial oversight resulting in a largely alright first movie then going completely haywire from the second onwards The scripts were a massive part of the problem, along with the basic conceit of making the Fantastic Beast brand into a large scale epic rather than just fun adventures, but even then the behind the scenes were absolutely plagued with issues. Actors speaking out against Rowling and not returning, casting Depp and then having to dump him, the timebomb that was Ezra Miller being given an ever increasing prominence. Even the very first casting rumors, that they had cast Matt Smith in the lead only to drop him for Redmayne when he won the Oscar, leading to them having to pay Smith out for all the films he was contracted too. It's a demonstration that the kind of smooth production you saw with Harry Potter can't happen anymore in the modern Hollywood/media culture. It was the exact same with LotR and The Hobbit.
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It makes sense she wanted redmayne against smith because he won for playing the titular character of the Danish girl, a film with problematic transphobic elements, and he did come in support of her when people found out she's a transphobe
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The Saddest Rhino posted:and he did come in support of her when people found out she's a transphobe A touching tribute
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Monica Bellucci posted:Also firing whatsit for neither being a bigot nor wanting to enable bigotry. What
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Katherine Thingamy, played Queenie I think.
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Monica Bellucci posted:Katherine Thingamy, played Queenie I think. You're thinking of Katherine Waterston who played Tina. She was heralded in the first two films as one of the leads and was a massive deal to the main character, basically his love interest. Then between the second and third film she speaks out against Rowling being transphobic and all of sudden she's in a single scene in the third and Newt has a new love interest that's he's secretly always had, she's just been off screen and Rowling had that plan all along.
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Tars Tarkas posted:Well, if you want to see Bill Skarsgård kill people... Dear god, yes. Sam Raimi turning the Sam Raimi dial up to 11. Can't wait?
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PriorMarcus posted:The scripts were a massive part of the problem, along with the basic conceit of making the Fantastic Beast brand into a large scale epic rather than just fun adventures, but even then the behind the scenes were absolutely plagued with issues. I'm not persuaded that the misbehaviour of Rowling and others per se keeps a lot of people away from the cinema. The movie going public is not the Internet and plenty of films with terrible scripts and scandals have done well before. But it's real distracting: google Fantastic Beasts and do you get publicity, reviews and lots of softball interviews or do you just hear about problems? Hard to get people excited if your property is "that film with the bad issues" rather than "the next Harry Potter film".
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nonathlon posted:I'm not persuaded that the misbehaviour of Rowling and others per se keeps a lot of people away from the cinema. The movie going public is not the Internet and plenty of films with terrible scripts and scandals have done well before. Oh, I don't think it keeps people away from the cinema either. I just think it's interesting that going back a decade you could produce a film franchise like Harry Potter with relatively minor production issues, but these days that seems almost impossible. It's the industry angle of it I find interesting. If the end product had still been of a minimum quality I've no doubt that audiences would've ate it up and not cared, but obviously that quality is harder to deliver when all this poo poo going on behind the scenes.
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Yeah Rowling being problematic doesn't lose purchased seats, people are interested in the magical world stuff and not who wrote them, unless they just suck. The second film was terrible and despite them casting doe the third fimn mads mikkelsen, a surefire way of attracting people, people remembered how badly the second film ended and just couldn't be bothered. The video game was heavily criticised for its storyline and gameplay, yet it was still a massive bestseller last year (although I suspect there won't be a sequel, what with the bad shape the game industry is in now, and that it lost most of its player base) because a 3d magic school game is an inherently attractive concept.
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Tars Tarkas posted:Well, if you want to see Bill Skarsgård kill people... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBnTqn0lBDA
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nonathlon posted:Dear god, yes. Sam Raimi turning the Sam Raimi dial up to 11. Can't wait? He didn’t direct it before you get too excited It looks dope tho I’m in. Love stupid gory gonzo trash
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The Saddest Rhino posted:despite them casting for the third film mads mikkelsen, a surefire way of attracting people, I don't think there's a big overlap between the audiences for wizard poo poo and people who'd turn out for Mads Mikkelsen Unless 
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Failed Imagineer posted:I don't think there's a big overlap between the audiences for wizard poo poo and people who'd turn out for Mads Mikkelsen Mads Mikkelsen really went popular due to the Hannibal franchise and the support of the LGBTQ community so him choosing to star in Queen Terfs franchise to replace a noted wife beater soured me on him. It's no Redmayne building his entire brand on trans corpses but it's something.
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I mean, I would probably say Casino Royale was probably a bigger breakout for him than Hannibal, but still.PriorMarcus posted:Even the very first casting rumors, that they had cast Matt Smith in the lead only to drop him for Redmayne when he won the Oscar, leading to them having to pay Smith out for all the films he was contracted too. This is really funny because Fantastic Beasts, at least the first one which is the only one I’ve seen, absolutely feels like an Eleventh Doctor episode of Doctor Who, just with some names changed. Also reminds me now that RTD tried to get Rowling to write a Doctor Who episode in like 2007.
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Chairman Capone posted:I mean, I would probably say Casino Royale was probably a bigger breakout for him than Hannibal, but still. Ironically it might mean that Smith has made more money off the role than Redmayne did. Chairman Capone posted:Also reminds me now that RTD tried to get Rowling to write a Doctor Who episode in like 2007. Yeah, this has aged badly, but there's no way RTD would want the same thing now she's gone mask off, so it's okay.
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To this day I'm still not sure how the LotR movies got made. The studio back in the 90s cut a blank check to a director who never directed anything on that scale before and somehow he completely nailed them.
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Feldegast42 posted:To this day I'm still not sure how the LotR movies got made. The studio back in the 90s cut a blank check to a director who never directed anything on that scale before and somehow completely nailed them. the What Went Wrong? podcast has a very good mini series about the production of the LotR movies. apparently one of the orcs (you'll recognise it once you know) is modelled after Harvey Weinstein who was involved initially with the funding.
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The Saddest Rhino posted:Yeah Rowling being problematic doesn't lose purchased seats, people are interested in the magical world stuff and not who wrote them, unless they just suck. The second film was terrible and despite them casting doe the third fimn mads mikkelsen, a surefire way of attracting people, people remembered how badly the second film ended and just couldn't be bothered. The video game was heavily criticised for its storyline and gameplay, yet it was still a massive bestseller last year (although I suspect there won't be a sequel, what with the bad shape the game industry is in now, and that it lost most of its player base) because a 3d magic school game is an inherently attractive concept. This sounds more right for her current predicament, a string of failures doing more harm to her with the crowds that just see dollar signs than any tweet she sends. Despite the growing momentum against Rowling as she cozies up to the side that is burning her books, she still has successes like the play and video game. A magic school game concept is popular enough there are a lot of cozy games that use a similar setting, most are just interactive story or puzzle games but the concept is there for the taking for anyone who has time to plug away at it
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I read a synopsis of the play a few years back and it comes across like really lovely fanfiction. I don’t care how well it’s acted or how amazing the production is. The story is awful.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:That would explain it. The first thing that came to mind for me was Lord of the Rings, which is a bit of a special case given it's an adaptation, but then again notable as previous adaptations of the trilogy usually had a very obvious lowering of budget as they went on if they even got that far, while Peter Jackson's Return of the King both was a box office splash and an Academy sweep, something still unheard of in fantasy genre movies let alone adaptations I'm pretty sure. Lord of the Rings is also a special case because all three movies were filmed at the same time, there wasn’t a stop in production between them, and therefore not much of a way to decrease the budget from movie to movie. distortion park posted:the What Went Wrong? podcast has a very good mini series about the production of the LotR movies. apparently one of the orcs (you'll recognise it once you know) is modelled after Harvey Weinstein who was involved initially with the funding. The Weinstein/Miramax connection is also in the most recommended book in CineD, DisneyWar. Basically, Jackson and his partners were shopping around a Lord of the Rings movie series and scripts, and ended up at Miramax. Harvey initially offered two movies and a set budget, but after Jackson signed on Harvey started pushing to restrict the budget and even bring it down to one movie. Eventually word of the LOTR movies got around to Red Line Cinema’s CEO, who then stepped in and offered Jackson 3 movies and double or triple Miramax’s budget, and even paid Miramax a finder’s fee. Red Line’s CEO got final cut, but he never gave Jackson any notes.
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X-Ray Pecs posted:Lord of the Rings is also a special case because all three movies were filmed at the same time, there wasn’t a stop in production between them, and therefore not much of a way to decrease the budget from movie to movie. New Line, not Red.
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Timby posted:New Line, not Red. D’oh
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Chairman Capone posted:I mean, I would probably say Casino Royale was probably a bigger breakout for him than Hannibal, but still. The first movie was also pretty decent, when it wasn't focusing on dumb wizard politics. The second movie went all in on wizard politics and it was terrible because of it.
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Casimir Radon posted:I read a synopsis of the play a few years back and it comes across like really lovely fanfiction. I don’t care how well it’s acted or how amazing the production is. The story is awful. The funniest part of the play is everyone thinking that Draco Malfoy got time cucked.
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Grendels Dad posted:Jesus, I hope Phoenix and Gaga got $75 million each, otherwise that's just insane. Apparently some people with BTS knowledge have claimed that Joker 2 has some massive elaborate sequences involving dozens of extras, like old school musicals used to have. If that's the reason this thing is so expensive then worth it, IMHO. distortion park posted:the What Went Wrong? podcast has a very good mini series about the production of the LotR movies. apparently one of the orcs (you'll recognise it once you know) is modelled after Harvey Weinstein who was involved initially with the funding. Wow, that's the second time I found a mention of WWW on this forum today. Thought it was a lot more obscure. Good podcast though It Was A poo poo Show is still my favorite (but not by much)
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https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1761082032824742326?t=K_7a5-jCetvKSZzFI5PoeA&s=19 Definitely a good sign for a movie when it cost double the original budget.
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