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SatoshiMiwa posted:As bad as the NXT reports are i do wonder if OVW and earlier developmental might have even worse stories that haven't gotten out cause wrestling https://twitter.com/IANdrewDiceClay/status/1760443335271981385?t=jF_JSRkf_gLV4I-EVVhcAQ&s=19
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SatoshiMiwa posted:As bad as the NXT reports are i do wonder if OVW and earlier developmental might have even worse stories that haven't gotten out cause wrestling There were a ton of abuse stories with DeMott in DSW. Part of the reason HHH hired him back for the PC. The Dinsmore story about Carrano happened after an OVW show.
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Feb 27, 2024 07:35
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the matt cardona stuff comes to mind as some of the most mean spirited poo poo to come from DSW.
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Feb 27, 2024 07:46
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Long-Time Lurker posted:It's high-key frustrating to read more and more stories about WWE being gross when a significant amount of wrestling fans just don't care about any of it. Even when they aren't Fedpilled, they seem to think you are the weirdo for caring too much about WWE being a rape/abuse factory instead of just letting people "enjoy things." Because no matter how hard people don't watch it won't get any better and they're only depriving themselves. Individuals will opt for their own happiness over the ability to not help people they've never met in any tangible way in the name of a moral stance. I voted with my wallet against WWE over a decade ago and it turns out hey, my vote doesn't matter. If I didn't hate WWE so much I'd feel like I cheated myself. Is this an excuse? Whether it is or it isn't more importantly it's the tragedy of the commons playing out in realtime.
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Feb 27, 2024 09:28
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Rarity posted:Dave's known more about the inner workings of WWE for forty years than any other journo and has chosen to never a big fuss about it The cognitive dissonance has to be something else for him. Like the kinda weird thing about all this is that none of it is really that new. Scandals and a clear pattern of systematic abuse have been there for decades. So while I get why this has become the straw that broke the camels back for many theres something a little off about the way its like a changed situation. But thats nothing compared to what someone like Meltzer should feel since hes been an insider to this poo poo for decades and the gatekeeper for it getting out. So its hard to acknowledge how bad all of it is without also saying Im kind of complicit in covering it up. Underselling its with vague mention of some stuff not being true or as bad as it sounds gives him some cover to say he didnt know.
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MassRafTer posted:There were a ton of abuse stories with DeMott in DSW.
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Edge & Christian posted:You're thinking of George Barrios who (to my knowledge) has no specific allegations against him. Mark Carrano is the guy second from the right on the YouTube thumbnail. . i retract my statement
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thefncrow posted:It really seems like the reason Owen stuck out as a prankster is that he actually understood what was a prank versus what was just assault. In Bret's book he describes sharing a hotel room with his dad during a Wrestlemania weekend, and his dad getting a call in their room. quote:On the morning of WrestleMania V, a call came for Stu, who stood in his long, striped nightshirt talking with a big smile on his face. Like that's a good rib. That's the kind of stuff Owen did.
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Feb 27, 2024 15:36
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I always liked the Owen prank from when wrestlers were recording their lines for WWF Attitude (maybe Warzone). Owen explained to the guys there that British Bulldog was illiterate and was very sensitive about it. So they had Bulldog in the booth and they kept telling him his lines and asking him to repeat them into the mic. Eventually, Bulldog got so frustrated and yelled, "Jesus Christ, just write them down!" and everyone realized what was going on.
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Feb 27, 2024 16:13
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Owen convincing Mick Foley to purposely tank a house show match because Dave Meltzer was there is still my favorite Owen story, though the Reg Park phone prank is pretty great too.
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Gavok posted:I always liked the Owen prank from when wrestlers were recording their lines for WWF Attitude (maybe Warzone). Owen explained to the guys there that British Bulldog was illiterate and was very sensitive about it. So they had Bulldog in the booth and they kept telling him his lines and asking him to repeat them into the mic. Eventually, Bulldog got so frustrated and yelled, "Jesus Christ, just write them down!" and everyone realized what was going on.
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ChrisBTY posted:Because no matter how hard people don't watch it won't get any better and they're only depriving themselves. I find it hard to enjoy a show when I suspect that every person on screen is either a sex pest, a victim of sexual assault, or aided and abetted sexual assault.
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Gavok posted:I always liked the Owen prank from when wrestlers were recording their lines for WWF Attitude (maybe Warzone). Owen explained to the guys there that British Bulldog was illiterate and was very sensitive about it. So they had Bulldog in the booth and they kept telling him his lines and asking him to repeat them into the mic. Eventually, Bulldog got so frustrated and yelled, "Jesus Christ, just write them down!" and everyone realized what was going on. 
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Vince killing Owen is up there for worst things he's done.
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CombineThresher posted:Owen convincing Mick Foley to purposely tank a house show match because Dave Meltzer was there is still my favorite Owen story, though the Reg Park phone prank is pretty great too. And Dave was like, they had a match that got really over!
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Feb 27, 2024 17:34
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Is that the popcorn snow angel match with Dude Love where they broke Steve Austin? Foley's description of that match is absolutely hilarious. Always wish I could have seen it.
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I'm really not surprised by people's ability to shrug their shoulders at the most heinous poo poo imaginable.
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Shard posted:Vince killing Owen is up there for worst things he's done. Terrible prank
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Owen also convinced Ahmed Johnson he was going to be on Letterman, so he rushed out to get a suit.
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Owen Hart rules
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Gavok posted:I always liked the Owen prank from when wrestlers were recording their lines for WWF Attitude (maybe Warzone). Owen explained to the guys there that British Bulldog was illiterate and was very sensitive about it. So they had Bulldog in the booth and they kept telling him his lines and asking him to repeat them into the mic. Eventually, Bulldog got so frustrated and yelled, "Jesus Christ, just write them down!" and everyone realized what was going on. loving lmao
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SirPhoebos posted:I find it hard to enjoy a show when I suspect that every person on screen is either a sex pest, a victim of sexual assault, or aided and abetted sexual assault. Distance. Some people feel distant enough from these kind of issues that the guilt doesn't outweigh the benefit of whatever they're engaging with. I mean I even suffer with this issue with AEW. Jericho. The smoke about him and his sex pest allegations may have passed but Jericho is still a dude who donated to Trump and had Trump Jr on his podcast. You add the multiple allegations against Jay Lethal and Tony deciding to bring in Flair and plug his stupid energy drink and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Not just that but how much else is he handwaving that we arn't seeing? It's still probably 1/100th of what WWE has done but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But I still love AEW too much to disengage over it. If something really bad happens in AEW I don't know if the guilt will outweigh my love for AEW. AEW is important to me because it exists as proof that even in this hellworld good things still exist. I imagine there are people to whom WWE is the same even though I can't personally imagine why.
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WWE also has a nostalgia factor for a lot of people despite it being regularly problematic. It's similar to all the people who continue to wax lyrical about old British sitcoms despite a lot of them being extremely racist, sexist or plain not funny. Childhood feels safe when everything in the present feels unstable, even though memories have a distinctive way of lying to you. It's been a thing in Britain for decades due to the country being less relevant internationally, which is why certain groups of football fans continue to sing "TWO WORLD WARS AND ONE WORLD CUP!", but I think it's been sharply increasing in the US and elsewhere more recently for various reasons. Heck, I'm not immune to it. There are times when I've watched clips of Stone Cold with the zamboni or the beer truck just to have a quick laugh at the old days. I haven't done so recently for obvious reasons, but maybe I'll get bored one day. My various privileges (ie not being a woman in this case) grant me a lot of distance to examine, if not outright enjoy, things that might be no-go areas for others. It's an ongoing battle (one which pales in comparison to the battles that actually matter, like getting justice for those who deserve it) to reconcile that with one's self-understanding and care for the victims.
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quote:Hacksaw Jim Duggan told a great Owen Hart story in a sit-down interview a few years ago. A common theme in Owen Hart stories is the use of the front desk at the hotel. One night, Duggan called the front desk of the hotel that the wrestlers were staying in and was asking where the gym was so he could get a quick workout in. 
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Imagine running a hotel and finding out your front desk was commandeered by a wrestler for the purpose of pranking another wrestler. Its cold and the sun is setting.
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ChrisBTY posted:Distance. Some people feel distant enough from these kind of issues that the guilt doesn't outweigh the benefit of whatever they're engaging with. I mostly agree with all this. I think if Tony turned out to be building a 30 year culture of sex trafficking that'd be enough for me to stop supporting the product. But yes, there's a certain degree of handwaving I'm willing to do over Jericho, Flair, Justin Roberts, etc. etc.
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I'm a little confused at why WWE is still on the hook for the NDA payments, was he doing them through the company?
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That DICK! posted:Terrible prank Dude lmao
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VideoWitch posted:I'm a little confused at why WWE is still on the hook for the NDA payments, was he doing them through the company? WWE had an interest in these NDAs being kept too. I'd be surprised if they weren't part of it, given the poo poo often happened in and around WWE shows/properties. The SEC guidance mentioned talks about when a stockholder makes payments on behalf of the company with their personal funds too, so it would imply the NDAs were signed between WWE and the victims and Vince was paying the money himself.
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VideoWitch posted:I'm a little confused at why WWE is still on the hook for the NDA payments, was he doing them through the company? Yes, specifically using company money to pay for the NDAs, he is expected to pay the company back for
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VideoWitch posted:I'm a little confused at why WWE is still on the hook for the NDA payments, was he doing them through the company? You can't use your own money to cover up something like this that would impact your business.
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Ah that all makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.
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VideoWitch posted:Ah that all makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. But... The complaint in the Janel Grant lawsuit strongly suggests the funds came from a company account. And WWE was a party to the NDA even though "WWE" wasn't officially notified, the general counsel, wasn't aware of it, etc.
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Plus if Vince moved funds around and didn't properly disclose what they were for, that's fraud. Even if you own the fuckin thing, the company is not your personal piggy bank.
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The CEO being a rape monster in a company where the CEO is a talismanic figure in terms of the companies success is a classic case material information that would affect the share price if disclosed. That they didn't say in 10k fillings that the CEO is a horrible monster who uses the company's public reputation to protect his behaviour is securities fraud. Disclosing it now doesn't protect the company from not disclosing it in the past, especially since they were forced into disclosing it by an independent third party.
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cagliostr0 posted:The CEO being a rape monster in a company where the CEO is a talismanic figure in terms of the companies success is a classic case material information that would affect the share price if disclosed. That they didn't say in 10k fillings that the CEO is a horrible monster who uses the company's public reputation to protect his behaviour is securities fraud. Disclosing it now doesn't protect the company from not disclosing it in the past, especially since they were forced into disclosing it by an independent third party. I think they kinda did at some point, didn't they? Like there was an SEC filing where TKO put down in their shareholder risk section something like "Vince McMahon is kind of a dick and could bring us a lot of bad press."
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CellBlock posted:I think they kinda did at some point, didn't they? Like there was an SEC filing where TKO put down in their shareholder risk section something like "Vince McMahon is kind of a dick and could bring us a lot of bad press." Maybe. Depends on what a jury thinks. An argument can be made that the loss already incurred from Brock Lesnar being un-personned (to say nothing of future revelations) goes well being just a boilerplate warning about the old boss being a jerk.
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