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Lead out in cuffs posted:Stuff like how the PGP algorithm was declared a munition, so people printed it out on T shirts and walked around with it. "Look at me, I'm walking through airport security carrying dangerous illegal military-grade weaponry!" I still have my RSA Dolphin t-shirt! No, I never wore it in an airport.
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The people who would wear that shirt are the same kind of people who manage to get their Flipper Zero confiscated at airport security because they specifically brag to the TSA that it could theoretically be used to try to hack an airplane and then whine about it on the internet
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Mar 6, 2024 17:56
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I thought that was the point of the shirt though. to get arrested and demonstrate how stupid the law is. that's how civil disobedience works
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Yaoi Gagarin posted:I thought that was the point of the shirt though. to get arrested and demonstrate how stupid the law is. that's how civil disobedience works
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Any recommendations for books about exploring underground ruins/empires? Inspired mainly of course by Moria in LOTR & LOTR Online. Also Tombs of Atuan, CS Lewis' The Silver Chair, and video games Dark Souls, Hollow Knight, Skyrim's Blackreach and The Chasm in Genshin Impact. McKiernan and Bakker had their takes on Moria. D&D has Menzoberranzan and the Underdark. Jeff Long's Descent series is a horror take on it, as are the unrelated Descent movies about the cavers. There's Journey to the Center of the Earth and all the Hollow Earth stuff though I'm more interested in dark caverns and ruins than sunlit hollow earth concepts. I know there's a ton of labyrinth stuff like Maze Runner and... the movie Labyrinth, which I had the novelization of. Death Gate Cycle had a bit of what I was looking for in its various locations. Luminous Dead scratched that itch a bit recently. Basically, I find it really cool running around deep underground in games and wonder if any books I've missed capture that well. Adrian Tchaikovsky likes bugs, someone get him to write a Hollow Knight novel.
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It seems like a weirdly rare subgenre. The beginning of Origin Complex is one of the most interesting takes on it that I’ve seen, but it doesn’t last. Definitely interested in more of this as well.
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bagrada posted:Any recommendations for books about exploring underground ruins/empires? Inspired mainly of course by Moria in LOTR & LOTR Online. Also Tombs of Atuan, CS Lewis' The Silver Chair, and video games Dark Souls, Hollow Knight, Skyrim's Blackreach and The Chasm in Genshin Impact. McKiernan and Bakker had their takes on Moria. D&D has Menzoberranzan and the Underdark. Jeff Long's Descent series is a horror take on it, as are the unrelated Descent movies about the cavers. There's Journey to the Center of the Earth and all the Hollow Earth stuff though I'm more interested in dark caverns and ruins than sunlit hollow earth concepts. I know there's a ton of labyrinth stuff like Maze Runner and... the movie Labyrinth, which I had the novelization of. Death Gate Cycle had a bit of what I was looking for in its various locations. Luminous Dead scratched that itch a bit recently. Howard Waldrop wrote a Frankenstein's Monster in the Hollow Earth story; Black as the Pit From Pole to Pole.
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Mar 6, 2024 21:39
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bagrada posted:Any recommendations for books about exploring underground ruins/empires? Inspired mainly of course by Moria in LOTR & LOTR Online. Also Tombs of Atuan, CS Lewis' The Silver Chair, and video games Dark Souls, Hollow Knight, Skyrim's Blackreach and The Chasm in Genshin Impact. McKiernan and Bakker had their takes on Moria. D&D has Menzoberranzan and the Underdark. Jeff Long's Descent series is a horror take on it, as are the unrelated Descent movies about the cavers. There's Journey to the Center of the Earth and all the Hollow Earth stuff though I'm more interested in dark caverns and ruins than sunlit hollow earth concepts. I know there's a ton of labyrinth stuff like Maze Runner and... the movie Labyrinth, which I had the novelization of. Death Gate Cycle had a bit of what I was looking for in its various locations. Luminous Dead scratched that itch a bit recently. Basically the origin of this trope are Lovecraft's At the Mountains of Madness and The Shadow Out of Time, would definitely suggest reading those if you like expeditions to underground ruins.
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Origin Complex - I'll have to add that to the list, I really liked book 1 and forgot the sequel was out. Zork - I played the game once but never saw that book. I miss when games had boxes, let alone boxes with cool poo poo like that. I think my dad brought home a copy of the game on floppies. I got eaten by a grue a few times then moved on to Questron and Ultima 3 and never went back. Speaking of, Ultima V was another inspiration, the bottoms of the dungeons all opened up into a connected underworld that was cool as hell at the time. Black as the Pit - I'll have to look for that one, I've had the poem that title is from memorized since a grade school classmate had it written in their notebook. We used to draw each other line mazes to trade back and forth. It's all connected! I've read Lovecraft through a few times but those are good examples as well.
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bagrada posted:
https://mocagh.org/infocom/zork-manual.pdf
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Mar 6, 2024 21:58
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The Conan novella Red Nails fits pretty well.
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Every time I check this thread, my TBR grows. Painful.
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Prolonged Panorama posted:The Conan novella Red Nails fits pretty well. Arguably the pinnacle of Howard's Conan writing.
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Mar 6, 2024 22:08
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It's not like the whole book but The Weirdstone of Brisingamen has a pretty long segment about going through a cave system and squeezing through stupidly tiny tunnels
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Runcible Cat posted:Howard Waldrop wrote a Frankenstein's Monster in the Hollow Earth story; Black as the Pit From Pole to Pole. This sounds dope. Like it’s doing some Alan Moore League of Extraordinary Gentlemen stuff.
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Qwertycoatl posted:It's not like the whole book but The Weirdstone of Brisingamen has a pretty long segment about going through a cave system and squeezing through stupidly tiny tunnels You should read The Weirdstone of Brisingamen anyway, along with both sequels. And basically everything else Alan Garner has ever written. But especially Weirdstone, because it's a fantastic book with the best title ever.
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The Gutter Prayer (Black Iron Legacy #1) by Gareth Hanrahan - $2.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CWQ6397/
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zoux posted:And then of course it ends with rain on Arrakis which would kill all the sandworms and destroy all spice production and make the fremen jihad and the Golden Path impossible. Which I guess is good? It's not really implied that the entire planet is covered by rain is it? It's a localized miracle proving he is the one. I'm also unsure if it established in the movie that worms die from water.
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bagrada posted:Any recommendations for books about exploring underground ruins/empires? Inspired mainly of course by Moria in LOTR & LOTR Online. Also Tombs of Atuan, CS Lewis' The Silver Chair, and video games Dark Souls, Hollow Knight, Skyrim's Blackreach and The Chasm in Genshin Impact. McKiernan and Bakker had their takes on Moria. D&D has Menzoberranzan and the Underdark. Jeff Long's Descent series is a horror take on it, as are the unrelated Descent movies about the cavers. There's Journey to the Center of the Earth and all the Hollow Earth stuff though I'm more interested in dark caverns and ruins than sunlit hollow earth concepts. I know there's a ton of labyrinth stuff like Maze Runner and... the movie Labyrinth, which I had the novelization of. Death Gate Cycle had a bit of what I was looking for in its various locations. Luminous Dead scratched that itch a bit recently. Literally for children but Dave Morris' Chronicles of The Magi has a bunch of dungeon exploring, so too does The Fighting Fantasy series. Robert Silverberg's Majipoor setting has a very large Underground and Labyrinth Some entries in the Fantasy and Science Fiction encyclopedia that might help https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/ruins_and_futurity https://sf-encyclopedia.com/fe/edifice https://sf-encyclopedia.com/fe/labyrinths
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bagrada posted:Any recommendations for books about exploring underground ruins/empires? Inspired mainly of course by Moria in LOTR & LOTR Online. Also Tombs of Atuan, CS Lewis' The Silver Chair, and video games Dark Souls, Hollow Knight, Skyrim's Blackreach and The Chasm in Genshin Impact. McKiernan and Bakker had their takes on Moria. D&D has Menzoberranzan and the Underdark. Jeff Long's Descent series is a horror take on it, as are the unrelated Descent movies about the cavers. There's Journey to the Center of the Earth and all the Hollow Earth stuff though I'm more interested in dark caverns and ruins than sunlit hollow earth concepts. I know there's a ton of labyrinth stuff like Maze Runner and... the movie Labyrinth, which I had the novelization of. Death Gate Cycle had a bit of what I was looking for in its various locations. Luminous Dead scratched that itch a bit recently. 12 Miles Below. Tense survival in weird underground post-apocolyptic procgen hell.
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thotsky posted:It's not really implied that the entire planet is covered by rain is it? It's a localized miracle proving he is the one. They drown the little maker to get the water of life. I will say I probably use “and how can this BEEEEE” the most out of any movie quote, so thanks lady that dubbed Alicia Witt
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Anybody read any of the non-Howard Conan stuff? I've heard a lot of the De Camp stuff is pretty middling or bland, but it seems like there's a bunch of other random one-off novels by other authors floating around, anybody have any they'd recommend?
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MockingQuantum posted:Anybody read any of the non-Howard Conan stuff? I've heard a lot of the De Camp stuff is pretty middling or bland, but it seems like there's a bunch of other random one-off novels by other authors floating around, anybody have any they'd recommend? For better or worse, the general consensus seems to be that Robert Jordan's Conan novels are the best non-howard Conan. They're considerably more spank-y than his Wheel of Time books ever get, though.
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MockingQuantum posted:Anybody read any of the non-Howard Conan stuff? I've heard a lot of the De Camp stuff is pretty middling or bland, but it seems like there's a bunch of other random one-off novels by other authors floating around, anybody have any they'd recommend? I remember liking some of the Dark Horse comics from like 20 years ago by Kurt Busiek, but can't really remember any of them now.
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Chairman Capone posted:I remember liking some of the Dark Horse comics from like 20 years ago by Kurt Busiek, but can't really remember any of them now. The marvel adaptations of Howard's stories from the 70s are absolutely excellent, and quite expensive even in reprint editions.
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Chairman Capone posted:I remember liking some of the Dark Horse comics from like 20 years ago by Kurt Busiek, but can't really remember any of them now. I've looked for these a couple of times in the past couple of years and they were weirdly hard to track down, I wonder if they'll ever get a reprint. Hieronymous Alloy posted:For better or worse, the general consensus seems to be that Robert Jordan's Conan novels are the best non-howard Conan. They're considerably more spank-y than his Wheel of Time books ever get, though. Hmmm okay, that sounds sort of the opposite of what I'm looking for honestly. What I'm craving is fantasy that shoots for more of a weird, mythic vibe or atmosphere, rather than a fully fleshed out or defined world. Basically the kind of fantasy that's content to say "a bunch of trippy poo poo is happening, probably because of this wizard you haven't heard of before, or some weird snake god, no further questions" as long as it's in service of a certain style. A lot of the Conan stories sort of hit that spot for me, also Fafhrd & Grey Mouser, Jack Vance's Dying Earth books, the Elric novels, and to a lesser extent The Face in the Frost. I suppose Book of the New Sun might be this way too but it's also possible it mostly explains what's going on and I'm too thick to have picked up on it. I suppose it's possible that Jordan's Conan stuff kind of hits the same mark but based on my experience with the first four or five WoT books, it really seems like he's one of the progenitors of a lot of modern fantasy that needs to make sure you know the last six generations of rulers of Bucksnort Kingdom, as well as their favorite flavors of ice cream
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Karl Edward Wagner's Kane novels are what you're looking for, most likely.
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Kane, definitely. You might also enjoy Tanith Lee's Tales from the Flat Earth, although they're more fantasy-mythology rather than sword and sorcery like Conan or Kane.
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Jedit posted:Anyone know anything about Godkiller by Hannah Kaner? I saw it on my latest fruitless quest for Exordia and was curious. It's been getting raves in some of the other bookish communities I hang out in (I haven't read it myself), along with The Will of the Many. I did read The Will of the Many which was competent adult Roman Empire magic school (magic college?) but wasn't particularly compelling for me. What I did finish recently was Fathomfolk by Eliza Chan. It is marketed as Jade City meets the Little Mermaid and that is...technically accurate in the sense that: 1) one of the POVs is Asian Ariel, but mature and jaded, as a half-siren protagonist trying to work within the broken system; 2) another POV character is Asian Ursula as a self-interested chaos agent/antagonist exploiting the broken system 3) the third POV is also Asian Ariel, but as a water dragon princess who is immature and willfully naive and plays at revolution to rage against the broken system and there is a whole Asian Ariel the half-siren bargains her The nicest thing I can say about the book is the cover is gorgeous and by the same artist who did Daughter of the Moon Goddess and if you liked that book and wanted something with less love triangles and an attempt at more politics, then maybe try this. If you liked Jade City/Green Bone Saga for its nuanced and complex characters, well-thought-out world building and politics, exploration of themes, solid plotting, and effective action sequences, you will not get those in this book because it's all shallow aesthetics without substance. Leng fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Mar 7, 2024 |
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Leng posted:It's been getting raves in some of the other bookish communities I hang out in (I haven't read it myself), along with The Will of the Many. I did read The Will of the Many which was competent adult Roman Empire magic school (magic college?) but wasn't particularly compelling for me. I didn't think Will of the Many was incredible but it's got decent pacing and kept my attention.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Karl Edward Wagner's Kane novels are what you're looking for, most likely. Michael Shea's Nifft the Lean too.
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finished exordia someone described the broken earth series in a way that stuck in my mind: "A really great series I will never ever reread". swap 'series' for 'book' and that describes exordia for me. by the end i was begging it to give the humans a win! any win! i wasn't expecting it to be so grim. i'm almost surprised that the author left any humans left great book, couldn't put it down. definitely has stuck with me. voted 5 stars on goodreads
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bagrada posted:Any recommendations for books about exploring underground ruins/empires? Inspired mainly of course by Moria in LOTR & LOTR Online. Also Tombs of Atuan, CS Lewis' The Silver Chair, and video games Dark Souls, Hollow Knight, Skyrim's Blackreach and The Chasm in Genshin Impact. McKiernan and Bakker had their takes on Moria. D&D has Menzoberranzan and the Underdark. Jeff Long's Descent series is a horror take on it, as are the unrelated Descent movies about the cavers. There's Journey to the Center of the Earth and all the Hollow Earth stuff though I'm more interested in dark caverns and ruins than sunlit hollow earth concepts. I know there's a ton of labyrinth stuff like Maze Runner and... the movie Labyrinth, which I had the novelization of. Death Gate Cycle had a bit of what I was looking for in its various locations. Luminous Dead scratched that itch a bit recently. Aching God by mike Shel
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branedotorg posted:Aching God by mike Shel I wish this were the case, but the actual “explore a complex” part is… maybe 20% of the book, at most? It’s mostly a lot of travel to get to the spooky place, then a fairly abrupt ending.
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MockingQuantum posted:
Check out Fifth Head of Cerberus before BotNS -- specifically part 2 has what I think you're looking for and a surprise appearance of Night Children!
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Chairman Capone posted:I remember liking some of the Dark Horse comics from like 20 years ago by Kurt Busiek, but can't really remember any of them now. I thought they were top-notch (like most of Busiek's stuff), but the only thing I remember clearly is the coda to a 2-3 floppy sequence. Conan comes to a frontier town, spots the guy who got away, runs him down after a chase, and kills him. Mayor: "Guards! Guards! You criminal! What have you done?" Conan: "This man betrayed his fellows, stole our food, fled when we were in danger, and left us for dead. He broke his troth and fellowship, and I vowed he would meet his end on the point of my sword. Now, good sir, my Brythanian is not very good and I do not understand what you said to me." *Turns to look the mayor in the eye, still gripping his sword* "Could you repeat it?" Mayor: "Only that in our town we welcome those who love justice! Welcome, friend!" *waves back guards* Re: Exordia. Finished it a week or two ago. Not sure what I can add to the discourse except that I found it to be a rich, complex, tight work that managed to fit in Groverhaus smoothly somehow, which is something I'll never be able to do if I write for 100 more years.
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branedotorg posted:Aching God by mike Shel Kestral posted:I wish this were the case, but the actual “explore a complex” part is… maybe 20% of the book, at most? It’s mostly a lot of travel to get to the spooky place, then a fairly abrupt ending. I did like this book but yeah the actual dungeon part wasn't very exciting. I wasn't surprised when I saw the author wrote Pathfinder and D&D modules for a living. I've got books 2 and 3 on my Audible from a sale when I get around to them. Thanks everyone for the suggestions I have some good ones to add to my reading backlog.
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sebmojo posted:og dune movie was extremely bad i feel like i'm being gaslit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRy18Euw6W4 even though that was a miniseries, I just want everyone here to see it again 
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DACK FAYDEN posted:every time I read "dune movie" all I can think is I like the lady's tiny bowler hat
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