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Being a long time writer seems to mean more than being a good writer, haha
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# ? Mar 11, 2024 16:09 |
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# ? Jun 5, 2024 21:09 |
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Thing about being a long time writer is you sold a lot of books and made them a lot of money. And that is what really counts
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# ? Mar 11, 2024 17:02 |
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Also Thorpe has been a part of the company for a long rear end time, as he was part of the rules team for both 40k and Fantasy. A long time ago he wrote the 3rd edition Eldar Codex, among other things (and it was op as gently caress). Letting him write books in BL maybe is a way to reward him for his service or perhaps he has dirt about the company and is blackmailing his way into a BL writing spot, dunno.
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# ? Mar 11, 2024 17:32 |
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I mean they are better than me at it
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# ? Mar 11, 2024 17:32 |
Sounds like I should deprioritize these gentlemen from future reading. It’s a shame, I was eyeing the Salamanders omnibus
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# ? Mar 11, 2024 17:42 |
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Maybe with BL's recent willingness to expand into xeno books I should overcome my depression and get some more Doc Eldar content written in publishable format. Except due to the name retcon he'd have to be Dr. Ukhari
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# ? Mar 11, 2024 17:48 |
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A thing I feel like some people might be missing is that being able to churn out books reliably and within deadlines is an incredibly highly-valued ability and can count for a lot more than "writes good books, but slowly, and missed deadlines". I think it was actually one of the Black Library writers who spelled it out years ago online.
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# ? Mar 11, 2024 18:14 |
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Grilled Beef posted:Thing about being a long time writer is you sold a lot of books and made them a lot of money. And that is what really counts I mean, this is probably more true than a joke. GW is in the money-making business and they're not exactly chasing literary awards, so a dude who writes the books he's assigned and makes them money doing it is a valuable employee.
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Warden posted:A thing I feel like some people might be missing is that being able to churn out books reliably and within deadlines is an incredibly highly-valued ability and can count for a lot more than "writes good books, but slowly, and missed deadlines". Ah yes, the Rob Liefeld effect
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# ? Mar 11, 2024 18:35 |
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Nessus posted:Sounds like I should deprioritize these gentlemen from future reading. It’s a shame, I was eyeing the Salamanders omnibus That's a dodged bullet right there, those are not good books. Kylaer posted:Maybe with BL's recent willingness to expand into xeno books I should overcome my depression and get some more Doc Eldar content written in publishable format. You should absolutely do this. And also the mural artist at an Assassin recovery facility, that was great.
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# ? Mar 11, 2024 18:45 |
mllaneza posted:That's a dodged bullet right there, those are not good books.
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# ? Mar 11, 2024 18:54 |
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mllaneza posted:That's a dodged bullet right there, those are not good books. I didn't get the impression that it was a recovery facility, but a training one. Did I miss a hint?
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# ? Mar 11, 2024 19:01 |
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Nessus posted:A shame, the Sals seem the most interesting good guy Marines. Do the White Scars get books? Yeah, their Heresy era books are really good. NihilCredo posted:I didn't get the impression that it was a recovery facility, but a training one. Did I miss a hint? Maybe a little of both, but the focus was on assassins recovering after a mission so that's what I picked up on.
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# ? Mar 11, 2024 19:03 |
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Warden posted:A thing I feel like some people might be missing is that being able to churn out books reliably and within deadlines is an incredibly highly-valued ability and can count for a lot more than "writes good books, but slowly, and missed deadlines". I think this was talking about Guy Haley, who I'm a fan of. He's not always the most unique writer but he can get whatever you need out on time.
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# ? Mar 11, 2024 19:27 |
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So this is the piece I wrote and posted back in October 2015. It's been a long time. I was a different person then, who had accomplished a lot less and also lost a lot less. quote:Describe to me, Lord General, what you want in the background. You have time to think on it, plenty of time; I expect I'll need six or seven hours of you here in the studio, split over two, maybe three sessions. Good thing you don't need to hold still the whole time, eh? Getting all the details of your uniform coat done right, that's two hours of work by itself, not even including the medals. But the background, I can work on that after your centerpiece is done, so I want to make sure you're happy with the plan before I set to work.
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# ? Mar 11, 2024 20:32 |
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Kylaer posted:Maybe with BL's recent willingness to expand into xeno books I should overcome my depression and get some more Doc Eldar content written in publishable format. Please do this.
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# ? Mar 11, 2024 20:45 |
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Writing anything is extremely hard work (relatively - not compared to physical labor obviously) Writing fiction must be bonkers hard.
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# ? Mar 11, 2024 20:54 |
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Warden posted:A thing I feel like some people might be missing is that being able to churn out books reliably and within deadlines is an incredibly highly-valued ability and can count for a lot more than "writes good books, but slowly, and missed deadlines". Especially when you’ve made a business model that publishes and prints multiple new books a month. For every ADB, they need multiple Thorpes to keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately.
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# ? Mar 11, 2024 21:35 |
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Angry Lobster posted:Also Thorpe has been a part of the company for a long rear end time, as he was part of the rules team for both 40k and Fantasy. A long time ago he wrote the 3rd edition Eldar Codex, among other things (and it was op as gently caress). Letting him write books in BL maybe is a way to reward him for his service or perhaps he has dirt about the company and is blackmailing his way into a BL writing spot, dunno. My memory of this is that WAYYY back Abnett was seen as top tier, when he was mostly known for Comics rather than Dark Library, with Thorpe's Last Chancers and McNeil's Ultramarines being the second tier. Most of these genre authors seem to get their start as the guys who write blurbs for rulebooks. McNeil and Thorpe both were writers in the sourcebooks for 40k. In Dempski Bowden's foreward to the Night Lords trilogy, he was writing for different game books and just started dipping his toes into book writing (He also credits Nick Kyme with believing in him). I know that Michael Stackpole got started writing blurbs for old Battletech source books. Thorpe can write really good stories. But he seems more of a novella author than a book writer. In the First Wall, he does a rather good job describing how a unit of Armor gets moved from Point A to B, with personality conflicts and it's overall a pretty good tale. It just abruptly ends and has almost no connection to the rest of the Narrative, and never comes back up again. It's just a plot thread left dangling, but it's a pretty good look at humanity. I think these guys get caught up in the fact that Space Marines are like Jedi in Star Wars. Righteous Heroes who will go through hell and back to win the day. Kyme's Sicarius book that I read was, serviceable, but got caught up in the fact that the Marines were basically infallible death machines. By comparison, his Volpine Glory book revels in everyone being giant hooting dickholes to each other, and it's a great time.
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# ? Mar 12, 2024 03:00 |
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Warden posted:A thing I feel like some people might be missing is that being able to churn out books reliably and within deadlines is an incredibly highly-valued ability and can count for a lot more than "writes good books, but slowly, and missed deadlines". Yep. To jump to film real quick: Everyone talks about how Kubrick was obsessive about shots and would go 509 times to get a perfect take, no one talks about how he ran bare bones sets and consistently made a ton of money. Michael Bay is praised as only of the only men in Hollywood who can run a $5m/day action sequence set and get what he needs. Clint Eastwood will go all day but he gets it in the can and comes in ahead of schedule and under budget. You know why Adam Sandler still has a career? Because he consistently makes a profit for his investors. You probably didn’t watch The Out-Laws, but Netflix paid $62m for it and it only cost $47 to make. Paul Blart 2 cost $30m, and it made $107m. Consistently turning out a profitable product matters. It’s like the Moneyball scene. “Why do we like him?” “Because he gets on base.” Why does BL like Gav Thorpe? Because he sells books. Inspector_666 posted:I mean, this is probably more true than a joke. GW is in the money-making business and they're not exactly chasing literary awards, so a dude who writes the books he's assigned and makes them money doing it is a valuable employee. Oh I was being totally serious. The ability to do a creative project in a way that you are consistently on schedule, under budget, and profitable is a *massive* skill to have, one that is frankly far more important that artistic merit. You can say it shouldn’t be like that and I agree, but it is, and that is something that is actually quite difficult to master.
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# ? Mar 12, 2024 04:08 |
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Grilled Beef posted:Why does BL like Gav Thorpe? Because he sells books. They're not selling jeans, huh?
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# ? Mar 12, 2024 04:13 |
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Kylaer posted:So this is the piece I wrote and posted back in October 2015. It's been a long time. I was a different person then, who had accomplished a lot less and also lost a lot less. That's really good. If you can top that now, BL should absolutely start buying your work. If they don't, know you have fans.
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habeasdorkus posted:They're not selling jeans, huh? Those get stolen too often.
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Kylaer posted:So this is the piece I wrote and posted back in October 2015. It's been a long time. I was a different person then, who had accomplished a lot less and also lost a lot less. Would you mind explaining your writing process?
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# ? Mar 12, 2024 12:34 |
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Didn't they cut Thorpes Phoenix Lord and Ynnari series short? Or was that due to other factors. I liked the Phoenix books at least. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 12:50 on Mar 12, 2024 |
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Angry Lobster posted:Would you mind explaining your writing process? I am very much not the type of reliable author that Guy Haley is, it is incredibly difficult for me to sit down and grind out words without inspiration. My actual career is entirely unrelated to art and creativity, and in order to write productively I need to be in the right mental state and to have an inspiration to work from. Usually I have either a particular scene I want to write, or a particular concept I want to explore, and then I figure out the supporting text until I can fledge out that scene or idea. For Stillness, my inspiration was the slow-motion duel, I could see that scene in my imagination before I got started, and everything else I built around it to enable that scene. That's why my pieces tend to be very short. When I'm lucky I get inspiration for additional fun scenes as I'm writing towards my original "target" scene, otherwise I just kind of grind through and rewrite as needed when I get better ideas. I tend to write things linearly, starting at the beginning of the piece and working towards the end, going back and revising as needed or when I get better ideas for how something should flow. I rarely write outlines, which I am sure is a weakness of mine. I do not have the discipline to force myself to write, I have to want to write in order to accomplish anything. But when I'm inspired, writing is fun and almost easy.
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# ? Mar 12, 2024 15:00 |
mllaneza posted:That's really good. If you can top that now, BL should absolutely start buying your work. If they don't, know you have fans.
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# ? Mar 12, 2024 15:17 |
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I just finished Twice Dead King: Ruin and have questions. Can someone explain this eating disease the necrons have to me? It makes no sense. They constantly refer to them eating flesh, but they have no mouths, they have no digestive system, it makes no sense. I get that its like a regression to something primitive to when they had bodies, but they're constantly talking about them eating living beings and I just don't get it. Are they just mashing meat against their face plates and wearing the skin or are they actually eating these people somehow? I have to say that while I mostly enjoyed the book, I liked how necrons were portrayed in The Infinite and the Divine much better.
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# ? Mar 12, 2024 15:25 |
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nesbit37 posted:I just finished Twice Dead King: Ruin and have questions. The Flayers curse is the last "gift" from one of the star gods they killed. As you say it is completely irrational and those afflicted are outcasts in their society. And yes, they do just mash the meat into their faces.
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notaspy posted:The Flayers curse is the last "gift" from one of the star gods they killed. Note that Llandu'gor is the only Star God that was actually killed, the others were broken into shards, imprisoned, and used as batteries/weapons. Also I think that implication is that the Necrons that killed Llandu'gor didn't just kill him, they somehow consumed him
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Kylaer posted:So this is the piece I wrote and posted back in October 2015. It's been a long time. I was a different person then, who had accomplished a lot less and also lost a lot less. Buddy, next time Black Library has open submissions, you should send them that.
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# ? Mar 12, 2024 16:37 |
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nesbit37 posted:I just finished Twice Dead King: Ruin and have questions. Isn't the eating described in detail in the books? I remember reading somewhere about how they try to swallow and the stuff just falls through their open ribcages onto the ground.
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# ? Mar 12, 2024 16:42 |
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Sharkopath posted:Didn't they cut Thorpes Phoenix Lord and Ynnari series short? Or was that due to other factors. They did. Due to poor sales. At least according to what I saw Gav post on twitter way back then. And that was probably one reason we didn't see that many Xenos books for quite some time.
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# ? Mar 12, 2024 17:03 |
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On to Warboss, and I do really appreciate that every chapter after 5 is just called Lotz, per the grasp of arithmetic orks have.
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Kylaer posted:So this is the piece I wrote and posted back in October 2015. It's been a long time. I was a different person then, who had accomplished a lot less and also lost a lot less. drat, dog. Quoting so I remember who to thread search when I wanna reread this and other stories you've posted.
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# ? Mar 13, 2024 01:19 |
Anybody just seeing kylaer’s work absolutely needs to check their post history and read the doc eldar stories!
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# ? Mar 13, 2024 03:39 |
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Rugikiki posted:Anybody just seeing kylaer’s work absolutely needs to check their post history and read the doc eldar stories! Surely you mean the Dr. Ukhari stories.
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# ? Mar 13, 2024 03:44 |
It’s a big galaxy, not all of us know the new names
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# ? Mar 13, 2024 04:09 |
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Halfway through the last book in the Night Lords trilogy, such a genial, likable bunch, just all around good boys you wanna spend time with
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Shut the gently caress up, Uzas!
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