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Those reflect different philosophies in the expected amount of control/preparedness you have going into being thrown. Secondarily, reflect differences in ruleset and training. The fetal position offers you maximal head protection in the case of being caught off guard by a big throw. Of course as you practice, you can figure out the timing of throws more and unfold halfway through and at least slap to diffuse the throw momentum a bit. Modern shuaijiao is strictly a sport, one where you get scored on and reset to standing as soon as you get thrown, no matter how gracefully you exit the throw. Energy put into controlling how you fall or roll out of a throw that's already going to score is potentially wasted from getting up and going right back into trying to win the round. This only works if the throws don't hurt. Anyone who grapples can of course tell you that hitting a wrestling mat at speed can still hurt enough to affect your performance if not outright injure you. But I'm talking about the difference between having a mat vs the extra consequences of getting thrown on hard ground or floor. If that's your training environment, you obviously need to take much stronger precautions against meeting the ground at speed with less structural support.
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slidebite posted:Trained with our sparring team last night and we spent the first 20 minutes doing various full power kick drills up and down the floor with a partner holding the kicking bag. Took about a week for the bruise to come out The kick was a couple inches higher than the bruise. Hellblazer187 posted:I learned today that I'm very bad at kicking.
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Looking for a freestanding heavy bag for striking at home. Are there any specific things to look for in terms of features or materials, or conversely, brands to watch out for/avoid? (Practicing Wing Chun, if it matters)
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Morter posted:Looking for a freestanding heavy bag for striking at home. Are there any specific things to look for in terms of features or materials, or conversely, brands to watch out for/avoid? (Practicing Wing Chun, if it matters) If you’re doing Wing Chun, have you considered a wooden dummy with strike pads attached?
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Thirteen Orphans posted:If you’re doing Wing Chun, have you considered a wooden dummy with strike pads attached? Admittedly not but the main reason I want a standing bag is to practice my kicks. The stuff you do against the dummy is more to practice your hand technique, and your short range (leg/knee-kicking), but I imagine I'd get a lot of use with a standing bag to do my round and thrusting kicks.
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Morter posted:Admittedly not but the main reason I want a standing bag is to practice my kicks. The stuff you do against the dummy is more to practice your hand technique, and your short range (leg/knee-kicking), but I imagine I'd get a lot of use with a standing bag to do my round and thrusting kicks. Ah, I see. Then yeah a mook isn’t what you’re looking for.
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# ? Mar 18, 2024 20:37 |
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I've got one of these paired up with a ~100-120lb heavy bag https://everlast.ca/products/heavy-bag-stand It's "OK" - biggest issue I have with it is doing truly strong kicks, you can absolutely move that thing around even with 50lbs+ of weight on each corner in addition to the bag. So unless you can anchor it or put it up against a wall or that can absorb it and resist the movement, it's just going to happen. But for realistic home use without going to a massive gym size thing with a massive frame or bolted to the ground, it's a decent enough compromise. I don't use it every day by any stretch, but it does the job.
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# ? Mar 18, 2024 22:55 |
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I'd suggest you budget some extra for weight plates; sand bags will get shredded up over time
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# ? Mar 18, 2024 23:58 |
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Wear gloves with a heavy bag btw, you will gently caress your hands up.
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# ? Mar 19, 2024 02:33 |
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slidebite posted:I've got one of these paired up with a ~100-120lb heavy bag The rare times I’ve tried this shape of bag frame, the front weight pins and the slanted supports kinda bothered me. They weren’t in the way of most kicks but definitely occupied some mental space for lower kicks. That’s if you use a banana bag, which imo you should for general kicking. Not as big a deal for punches on a regular bag. Sherbert Hoover posted:Wear gloves with a heavy bag btw, you will gently caress your hands up. The gloves will protect your knuckles and metacarpals. You need to wrap properly to prevent your wrist from rolling painfully on misaligned punches. Which will happen frequently early on.
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kimbo305 posted:The rare times I’ve tried this shape of bag frame, the front weight pins and the slanted supports kinda bothered me. They weren’t in the way of most kicks but definitely occupied some mental space for lower kicks. That’s if you use a banana bag, which imo you should for general kicking. Not as big a deal for punches on a regular bag. Pretty much the only hand techniques I'd do with a heavy bag are knife hand (board breaking techniques) which it works pretty well for, tbh. The biggest issue is that the bag is "round" where the boards are obviously going to be flat. I've actually been meaning to try and prop some sandbags on it to see if that helps more with movement.
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# ? Mar 19, 2024 14:43 |
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Has anyone used an elbow brace to practice compliance / catch wrestling / qin na joint attacks that are sudden and not controlled like in more coventional (safer) grappling? What I've always read about catch wrestling is that some of the techniques don't have much safety margin, and obviously benefit from be applied explosively. I always wondered how moves like that could be drilled safely to improve skill level. A lot of joint locks from Chinese martial arts seem to have a similar flavor, where best case scenario, you go with it and get thrown, and worst case, something pops. Been wondering if a hinged and angle-limited brace would offer sufficient insurance at the extreme range of motion to let some stuff like this be worked out somewhat more safely.
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# ? Mar 26, 2024 03:49 |
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Never seen anyone using a brace to intentionally train techniques in a manner that might explode your small joints.
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# ? Mar 26, 2024 22:32 |
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finally got a cheap heavy bag set up from christmas, but the drat thing still moves around with 200lbs in its base. it feels really good to wrap up and beat the everloving crap out of a bag again. I think I'd like to get back to classes once my conditioning comes back, does anyone have any suggestions for a gym that would cater to later classes than most? starting at like 8pm for muy thai or boxing, with a possibility of something more ground based a couple days a week in the norfolk/virginia beach area.
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SeaGoatSupreme posted:finally got a cheap heavy bag set up from christmas, but the drat thing still moves around with 200lbs in its base. If the bag sits low enough, put an old tire at the base of it.
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# ? Apr 8, 2024 18:15 |
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sadly it's a standing heavy bag, so no tire shenanigans. I'm probably going to just dump water into it to fill all the space between the grains of sand and pray i stop knocking it over when i hook it
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# ? Apr 10, 2024 14:08 |
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SeaGoatSupreme posted:standing heavy bag those are gonna move around a lot no matter what especially if youre kicking them hard Imo use it more like a technical tool, like a double end bag, not power shots OctaMurk fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Apr 10, 2024 |
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A horse mat will help
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# ? Apr 10, 2024 14:35 |
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Punch a horse
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# ? Apr 13, 2024 01:46 |
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Or do what the other guy said and accept that it will be for technical work and not annihilating with ancient muay thai devastators
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Probably goes without saying, but if you can put the stand next to a wall, preferably with something to protect your baseboard, will help a lot. It'll still move though.
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I forgot where I was posting my Mongolian wrestling reporting to. Quoting here from the grappling thread:kimbo305 posted:Ok, effort post is here. Took a lot longer to edit these than I wanted. Part of it was switching over to Davinci Resolve, and part was not having a good workflow for clipping out the interesting bits and ordering them thematically.
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Went into a competition yesterday for the first time since 2019. Was super convenient as it was only about 3 hours away so we had a good club representation. Due to my age I'm in the "Executive" level division so its a bunch of heavy weight older blackbelts from 1-3 Dan along with a couple of older black stripes put into it as well. 90 second rounds. These divisions usually get a good crowd as it's the senior bruisers and while we're not going to be as flashy as the 18-30 year old black belts, it's pretty drat entertaining. Rule set is light contact but not intentional full force. IE: No neck snapping back on purpose and we're not purposely looking for knock outs. Nothing below the belt and nothing to the back. Of course, if someone moves into it that can be a more difficult call, but by this stage we're all pretty good at control and pulling the full technique if it looks like it's going to be a big hit. But poo poo happens. Anyhow, I'm sparring a guy from my school who is testing for his 1st Dan next month. Super nice guy, probably about 6'2 250lbs... late 50s. Bit of a belly for sure but old man strong as hell. He's worked super hard and takes part in almost every class we offer and it shows as his improvement has been remarkable. Even so, he's very much a hands guy and doesn't do a ton with his feet other than the odd technique as his flexibility just isn't there and he knows it's not his strong suit. He typically chases people around the ring, but I'm not small either so I'm not easily getting chased or intimidated by size. I'm shorter than him at 5'11 but my leg reach is better than his arms and I can use my feet a lot, so unless we got super close he's going to have a tough time scoring on me unless he was comes in hard and I couldn't stop him, and even then I'll happily use hands. So we're sparring and I'm all over this guy. He ate so many of my side and back kicks as he kept leaving his mid section wide open so I just kept hammering it. 2 points each time. I'm probably up more than a dozen points, is my best guess. We are getting close to the end of the match. He gets a warning, I think it was a kick to the back, so we have to reset so we're back at the center of the ring and start again. I'm pretty light on my feet but I'll 100% admit I was mostly just standing there, waiting for him to telegraph so I can strike. I'm probably getting lazy and it wasn't my intention but could probably be viewed as a little cocky. My hands are mostly down and I'm just waiting for a good chance to dive in. Right then, he sees the opportunity and gives me the fastest jab I swear he's ever done. Right to the face. I admit I totally didn't see it coming and I guess my neck snapped right back. There is a "oooooooooohhh" in the crowd and the ref immediately jumps in and stops it. I stop, look at him, he's white as a ghost and he's saying out loud "I'm so sorry Mr. Slidebite, I didn't mean to hit you so hard." And I start laughing. Hard. I mean, full out laugh and the crowd can hear me and I hear others start laughing too. I find out later from others that people around the whole tournament heard our ring laughing so they were wondering WTF happened. I was surprised but I totally deserved to eat that punch. I'm "Man, don't worry about it, that was a good hit and I deserved it. Seriously, I'm OK." Give him a pat on the back and touch gloves. "Both of us earned that one buddy" or something along those lines. And I was fine, it didn't rattle me in the physical sense at all. The ref (a guy I know) starts smiling as well and he says "Yeah, you probably deserved it but it was waaaay too hard" and gives him a point deduction for his troubles as he already had a couple warnings. Finish the round, I win, we watch the last round and go to the medal podium. I end up with bronze (which, is another thing, I don't like some of these formats. I never sparred the guy that got 2nd and pretty sure I could have easily taken him. My first round with the eventual gold medallist was a split but he ended up taking it but that happens). As I'm walking away from the podium start chatting with people and everyone mentions my eye. I feel perfectly fine but say "It looks real red." So one of my friends takes a photo and shows me. I now I have a nice subconjunctival hemorrhage on my right eye lol. No pain or vision issue whatsoever, I assume from the glove on the hit. I'm actually kind of glad for him because he now has a story tomorrow when we train of how he lost the medal round fight to me but "take a look at the other guy!" slidebite fucked around with this message at 17:52 on May 5, 2024 |
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Learned how to do a spinning back elbow in muay thai class. I was too much of a coward to mention the judas effect.
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# ? May 8, 2024 04:28 |
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Afraid someone gonna stab you in the back when you spin, huh?
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# ? May 8, 2024 07:12 |
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Novum posted:Afraid someone gonna stab you in the back when you spin, huh? haha, no there's a pro wrestler named Chris Jericho who does a spinning back elbow as one of his big moves and he calls it the Judas Effect because in wresting stuff hurts more when it has a gimmick name. I just assumed nobody in my class would know about pro-wrestling. And if a bunch of mixed martial artists asked me who my favorite wrestler was, I'd have to tell them it's the worst UFC fighter of all time.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Learned how to do a spinning back elbow in muay thai class. I was too much of a coward to mention the judas effect. Don't be; before age and old joints caught up with me, I was constantly doing that in BJJ. I even once asked the prof if I could turn an omoplata into a LeBell Lock and he was down with it. Hellblazer187 posted:And if a bunch of mixed martial artists asked me who my favorite wrestler was, I'd have to tell them it's the worst UFC fighter of all time. I'm glad Yoji Anjo is someone's favorite wrestleman. EdsTeioh fucked around with this message at 17:14 on May 8, 2024 |
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If someone is able to escape their arm from my armlock attempts in kesa gatame, I turn it into an anaconda vice if I can. I don't really know the finishing mechanics so I just do that for my own amusement. So that should inform you about my doing prograps in bjj, and also who I meant by favorite wrestler/worst fighter.
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# ? May 8, 2024 17:27 |
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I always wanted to use some of lebells moves in BJJ but when I looked into them on YouTube they seemed to be 90% neck cranks.
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# ? May 8, 2024 17:33 |
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Jack B Nimble posted:I always wanted to use some of lebells moves in BJJ but when I looked into them on YouTube they seemed to be 90% neck cranks. I think they just didn't give a poo poo back then
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# ? May 8, 2024 18:14 |
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Hellblazer187 posted:If someone is able to escape their arm from my armlock attempts in kesa gatame, I turn it into an anaconda vice if I can. I don't really know the finishing mechanics so I just do that for my own amusement. So that should inform you about my doing prograps in bjj, and also who I meant by favorite wrestler/worst fighter. Oh I knew. He used to be my favourite too.
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I wondered if the bots knew. It's pretty funny that they did.
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