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What is it with people thinking just because something isn't constantly generating new material then it's dead or irrelevant. The Sopranos ended 15 years ago and has had one (bad) movie since and people still talk about it.
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Ryaomon posted:What is it with people thinking just because something isn't constantly generating new material then it's dead or irrelevant. The Sopranos ended 15 years ago and has had one (bad) movie since and people still talk about it. American geeks have an attention span shorter than a dead goldfish out of water in the Sahara
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Mar 19, 2024 01:28
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Endorph posted:otoh he did give us ultra instinct master roshi the manga got better when it got to the ToP but i prefer the anime still 16-bit Butt-Head fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Mar 19, 2024 |
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Mar 19, 2024 03:34
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I, somehow, completely missed the DBZ phenomenon in middle/high school despite being deadass in the target demo and saw DBZA first. it was fine. Mostly there were a few plot points from the actual series that I thought they were playing up for the parody until I hit a wiki and was like "wait WTF they actually wrote Goku that stupid?" most notably the heart meds and cell's senzu bean
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Mar 19, 2024 05:47
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Krillin rules and my only disappointment in him is that he doesn't constantly remind Vegeta that he had his rear end and is only alive because Goku begged him to put down the sword
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Mar 19, 2024 05:50
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The heart medication wasn't actually anyone being dumb in the main series: Goku was supposed to start taking the meds after the disease took hold, but it happened way later in the main timeline.
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Mar 19, 2024 06:13
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And once again this takes things back to the issue that properly canon compliant what if scenarios set prior to Kid Buu being defeated should pretty much all result in the universe getting destroyed by Buu and/or erased by Zeno*, outside of maybe getting lucky and somehow managing to get rid of Babidi before he can find Buu(Dabura makes this incredibly unlikely though), or maybe Vegito deciding not to bother with the whole convoluted "willingly get eaten by Super Buu to try and free his kids and Piccolo from the inside" plan and just killing Super Buu and just let the Dragon Balls fix things later *of course this one arguably makes any deviation prior to either version of the ToP impossible too
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Mar 19, 2024 06:18
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:the manga got better when it got to the ToP but i prefer the anime still using a beam to slide on another beam is still some of the sickest poo poo in dragon ball
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Mar 19, 2024 06:56
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Yesterday I read the short "reincarnated as Yamcha" manga. It was actually surprisingly reasonable. Yamcha goes to get his power unlocked by the Namek elder guy before Vegeta/Nappa arrive, which (combined with training) gets him to a 10,000 power level and enables him to defeat the Saibamen + Nappa, and him + Goku are enough to beat Vegeta. But then he gives up because it's impossible for a human to keep up with the bullshit from later in the series.shame on an IGA posted:Krillin rules and my only disappointment in him is that he doesn't constantly remind Vegeta that he had his rear end and is only alive because Goku begged him to put down the sword One "Krillin saves the day" situation I was recently reminded of in the DBZ Kakarot game is the time he saves himself and Gohan (and maybe Dende, forget) from Dodoria with a Solar Flare.
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Mar 19, 2024 08:04
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The worst thing about Dragon Ball multimedia is you get attached to characters that can never amount to anything. I should not at all have an attachment to a character like Android 19, but I played a lot of Orange Android 19 decks in Score's DBZ card game in 2003. Now I want a god drat action figure.
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Mar 19, 2024 08:19
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drrockso20 posted:And once again this takes things back to the issue that properly canon compliant what if scenarios set prior to Kid Buu being defeated should pretty much all result in the universe getting destroyed by Buu and/or erased by Zeno*, outside of maybe getting lucky and somehow managing to get rid of Babidi before he can find Buu(Dabura makes this incredibly unlikely though), easy out 2: those two hunters never shoot the dog so hercule befriending buu just saves the day and there's no super buu or kid buu
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Mar 19, 2024 08:38
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Star Man posted:The worst thing about Dragon Ball multimedia is you get attached to characters that can never amount to anything this is me with ginyu
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Mar 19, 2024 08:45
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The one change I remember liking from the manga was Zamasu originally wishing himself into Monaka's body
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Mar 19, 2024 08:57
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my favorite useless dbz character is chiaotzu
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drrockso20 posted:And once again this takes things back to the issue that properly canon compliant what if scenarios set prior to Kid Buu being defeated should pretty much all result in the universe getting destroyed by Buu and/or erased by Zeno*, outside of maybe getting lucky and somehow managing to get rid of Babidi before he can find Buu(Dabura makes this incredibly unlikely though), or maybe Vegito deciding not to bother with the whole convoluted "willingly get eaten by Super Buu to try and free his kids and Piccolo from the inside" plan and just killing Super Buu and just let the Dragon Balls fix things later I can't think of a greater insult to Toriyama's memory than using the phrase 'properly canon compliant'
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Mar 19, 2024 09:53
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what's everyone's favorite plot hole in dbz mine is that they establish shenron cant be used to wish someone dead if they're too strong, but at the end of the buu arc they show that you can wish someone's memories wiped. so couldnt they have just wished for nappa and vegeta to forget earth exists
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Mar 19, 2024 10:07
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I’m a fan of Yajirobe. Got a clean W against Goku, carried him up a tower so he could get a power up, then permanently disfigured and weakened Vegeta. He could probably take Yamcha in a fight.
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Mar 19, 2024 10:07
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Endorph posted:what's everyone's favorite plot hole in dbz Kaioken and Kaioken x2 are the same thing. Just typing that out brought back fond memories of trying to power scale DBZ back in the day.
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Mar 19, 2024 11:12
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I like the part where after Goku blows Cell's upper torso off, his legs stand up and regenerate. Then later on Cell explains that his regeneration comes from a special cell in his head. Also, when Cell regenerates after the Warp Kamehameha it's noted that doing so used up a large portion of his energy and he's noticeably weaker than before. When Cell regenerates after blowing himself up, now he inexplicably gets a zenkai boost and is stronger than ever.
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Mar 19, 2024 12:01
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No Dignity posted:I can't think of a greater insult to Toriyama's memory than using the phrase 'properly canon compliant' By that I simply meant what can be considered the "core" Dragon Ball media*; the original manga, Battle of Gods, Resurrection F, Super, Super: Broly, and Super Hero, that which can be considered the baseline for canon *and presumably Daima once it comes out Endorph posted:easy out: at any point after fusing with kami piccolo *could* make the wish to shenron to have his potential unlocked. piccolo says the gammas could keep up with goku and vegeta but would probably lose, so that puts the gammas in like, golden frieza tier i feel like. orange piccolo easily stomps gamma 2. so orange piccolo would stomp dabura and probably be evenly matched with kid buu. Arguably true, at least for the "Buu in one form or another destroys the universe" part, though there's still the "Zeno erases Universe 7 along with a bunch of other universes" problem that arises unless a very specific series of events happen that lead to the Tournament of Power occurring and Universe 7 winning it PringleCreamEgg posted:I’m a fan of Yajirobe. Got a clean W against Goku, carried him up a tower so he could get a power up, then permanently disfigured and weakened Vegeta. He's one of several human characters who I suspect if they had gotten motivation to properly train and be active combatants rather than retiring that they could easily have matched or indeed probably surpassed Yamcha, Tien, and Krillin in terms of sheer potential Kind of telling that two of the other top candidates in that category are Chi Chi and Videl
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Mar 19, 2024 12:18
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Pureauthor posted:I like the part where after Goku blows Cell's upper torso off, his legs stand up and regenerate. Then later on Cell explains that his regeneration comes from a special cell in his head.
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Mar 19, 2024 12:49
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Tbf you could probably at least explain Goku’s post-poison water boost as being partly Zenkai fueled, but yeah that whole thing feels weird because Goku doesn’t ever really feel “stronger” after getting beat to poo poo most of the time up until Namek, at least not in the explosive exponential manner most zenkai boosts tend to function.
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Mar 19, 2024 13:05
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I like that zenkais just stop happening after Namek except for Cell
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Mar 19, 2024 13:11
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its weird also because even on namek the only purpose zenkais really serve is letting vegeta kill zarbon and dodoria.
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Mar 19, 2024 13:17
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Toriyama was just a sloppy writer
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Mar 19, 2024 13:21
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Zenkai's stopped working the second Vegeta deliberately started trying to game them, that's just good character writing imo
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Mar 19, 2024 13:32
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Doesn't Buu basically require the world to have a pretty high power level to get enough energy to awaken? In the Super implied, Kakarot DLC shown Future Trunks timeline Buu Saga, that whole thing went down years later because the only powerful warriors around were the Androids who probably don't count and Trunks. I'd assume that means most What Ifs would wind up either strong enough to have a chance at nipping it in the bud like Trunks, or just actually beating Buu outright if some crazy power boost happens. As for the ToP, Zeno is an immortal child who was going to get around to erasing those universes "eventually." That eventually seems unlikely to be in "our" lifetime without Goku pushing him.
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Mar 19, 2024 13:36
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Endorph posted:its weird also because even on namek the only purpose zenkais really serve is letting vegeta kill zarbon and dodoria. I mean, if Goku hadn’t been blowing himself the gently caress up while training at x20 gravity he probably would have lost to, like loving Burter, and the zenkai from loving up with the Ginyu body swap was what made him strong enough to be…worth using as a punching bag for Frieza. And as unimpressive as that latter part is, it did set up a chain reaction that led to SSJ. Also speaking of gravity, that’s the real plot hole. Why the gently caress does Goku even bother teleporting to not-Heaven to train at x10 when Bulma can probably build him a portable gravity chamber at this point? How do you even get anything from training at x10 after blowing yourself the gently caress up for two weeks at x20?
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Last Celebration posted:I mean, if Goku hadn’t been blowing himself the gently caress up while training at x20 gravity he probably would have lost to, like loving Burter, and the zenkai from loving up with the Ginyu body swap was what made him strong enough to be…worth using as a punching bag for Frieza. And as unimpressive as that latter part is, it did set up a chain reaction that led to SSJ. Fresh air. Probably muscle memory that transfers over to 1X gravity a bit better. The company of his good friend King Kai. It's kind of a recurring thing that Vegeta trains "harder," but in a pretty inefficient way without taking things like rest days and instruction, and that that holds him back. I'd assume gravity chamber VS. King Kai's place is an example of that.
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In It For The Tank posted:Kaioken and Kaioken x2 are the same thing. Goku goes x2, struggles more with it but doesn't notice any power. Cut to King Kai questioning his math skills.
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Mar 19, 2024 17:55
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Endorph posted:what's everyone's favorite plot hole in dbz mine is that they establish shenron cant be used to wish someone dead if they're too strong, but at the end of the buu arc they show that you can wish someone's memories wiped. so couldnt they have just wished for nappa and vegeta to forget earth exists Mine is that everyone just kind of forgot that you need to have a body well preserved in order to bring someone back from the dead. Goku getting his body back beforehand was supposed to be a weird exception and then it just kind of became the default.
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Endorph posted:what's everyone's favorite plot hole in dbz mine is that they establish shenron cant be used to wish someone dead if they're too strong, but at the end of the buu arc they show that you can wish someone's memories wiped. so couldnt they have just wished for nappa and vegeta to forget earth exists Probably too strong to get their memories wiped
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That makes me wonder if Android 17 got his memory of Buu erased or not. It was "Goku's friends and family" but would Android 17 count as either? He's Krillin's Wife's Brother but that kind of raises the question of how far the wish goes on that. Does Android 8 remember Goku? Did Android 8 survive the Human Extinction Attack or did he get revived? If Android 8 got revived then shouldn't have Android 16 too?
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Mar 19, 2024 18:22
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I don’t think there’s any reason to assume Eighter wasn’t a normal human that got experimented on and probably lost his sense of original self, given the Frankenstein’s monster design.
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Mar 19, 2024 18:28
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ImpAtom posted:Mine is that everyone just kind of forgot that you need to have a body well preserved in order to bring someone back from the dead. Goku getting his body back beforehand was supposed to be a weird exception and then it just kind of became the default. When it first happens (Krillin coming back from being blown up by Freeza), it's specifically pointed out that him getting his body back was a gift from the dragon (I think it was Porunga?). I guess from there on it'd just be petty of them not to do it, seeing how they can clearly do it without burning a wish on it. Last Celebration posted:I don’t think there’s any reason to assume Eighter wasn’t a normal human that got experimented on and probably lost his sense of original self, given the Frankenstein’s monster design. I wondered about this so I checked DB wiki on it, turns out he may or may not be. The anime shows him as a modified human but Toriyama said in an interview he's fully mechanical. Considering 16 is obviously based on him, it's more likely 8 is fully robotic.
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They kinda bring that up in Resurrection of F but that can easily be interpreted as Shenron not wanting to give clearly evil people an easy time even if he has to grant a wish.
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Mar 19, 2024 19:13
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Last Celebration posted:I don’t think there’s any reason to assume Eighter wasn’t a normal human that got experimented on and probably lost his sense of original self, given the Frankenstein’s monster design. Toriyama at least said he was full robot. Same deal as 16
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8, 16, and 19 are just robots. 20 is Gero doing a ghost in the shell. 17 and 18 are cyborgs. Cell is just kind of an artificial life form. 21 is like a Buu.
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Gero was pretty good at building robots and mockeries of nature that would try to kill Goku but he really sucks at classifying them. Cyborgs, Androids, blob monsters and whatever you'd call Cell all under the heading of Jinzou Ningen
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motherfucker made robots stronger than space hitler without even knowing space hitler existed smh
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