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Cassian of Imola: Feb 9, 2011; Keeping her memory alive!

but yeah The Authoritarians and altemeyer's whole bit is a blatantly pseudoscientific patchwork study of dubious psychological experiments glued together by generalisations about republicans. basically every observation he makes about the psychology of 'authoritarian followers' applies equally to the average centrist CNN guy, and he seems to be aware of this so he specifies 'right-wing authoritarian' in many places

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cat botherer: Jan 6, 2022; I am interested in most phases of data processing.

mawarannahr posted:

so is cspam illegal in Norway then?
Time to Criminalize Putin�s Lie Machine

rah rah Vlad Putin, Russia's greatest lie machine

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damn horror queefs: Oct 14, 2005; say hello
say hello to the man in the elevator

Cassian of Imola posted:

but yeah The Authoritarians and altemeyer's whole bit is a blatantly pseudoscientific patchwork study of dubious psychological experiments glued together by generalisations about republicans. basically every observation he makes about the psychology of 'authoritarian followers' applies equally to the average centrist CNN guy, and he seems to be aware of this so he specifies 'right-wing authoritarian' in many places

My favourite pop psychology book is The True Believer, by an autodidact named Eric Hoffer who mostly worked as a longshoreman or vagrant labourer until he was in his 50s and started writing.

The book is a lot of armchair psych fluff, but the best part is the latter 1/4 of the book where he describes in detail how America could never fall victim to totalitarianism because its people love freedom and liberty too much. Oops!

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HashtagGirlboss: Jan 4, 2005

drat horror queefs posted:

My favourite pop psychology book is The True Believer, by an autodidact named Eric Hoffer who mostly worked as a longshoreman or vagrant labourer until he was in his 50s and started writing.

The book is a lot of armchair psych fluff, but the best part is the latter 1/4 of the book where he describes in detail how America could never fall victim to totalitarianism because its people love freedom and liberty too much. Oops!

Reminds me of that one guy who got some media attention in 2017/2018 or so as �I was a paid Russian troll here is my tell all� and he would say very seriously �oh yeah the reason we went for the right wing types is that you liberals are just too savvy and media literate to fall for my con� and it was very lmao

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Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

lol

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/21/...&smid=url-share

quote:

Reddit � which once hosted popular communities devoted to nonconsensual pornography, overt racism and violent misogyny, among other topics � was often spoken of in the same breath as online cesspools like 4chan and SomethingAwful.

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brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

Cesspool??

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Toplowtech: Aug 31, 2004

brugroffil posted:

Cesspool??

But are we the surface scum or the sediment part of the cesspool?

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damn horror queefs: Oct 14, 2005; say hello
say hello to the man in the elevator

Owned again by the grey lady

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Precambrian Video Games: Aug 19, 2002

quote:

Reddit, unlike other social media sites, is organized by topic

Wow... this is a great idea that cesspools like SomethingAwful would do well to adopt.

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cat botherer: Jan 6, 2022; I am interested in most phases of data processing.

Jose posted:

lol

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/21/...&smid=url-share

when they're right they're right

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Wraith of J.O.I.: Jan 25, 2012

i contacted the NYT and they told me they were talking about the other politics subforum

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mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Jose posted:

lol

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/21/...&smid=url-share

can't wait to hear about this from my mom

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F_Shit_Fitzgerald: Feb 2, 2017

Good to know that Reddit has become acceptable to elites now, especially in the wake (?) of their IPO. All the more reason not to bother with it.

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HashtagGirlboss: Jan 4, 2005

Reddit is good because I can browse a thread to make sure I know what the popular thing to say is and then I never get yelled at

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gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

the FAILING somethingawful

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In Training: Jun 28, 2008

Jose posted:

lol

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/21/...&smid=url-share

How dare they!!! This is the final straw for the Failing Times.

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Internet Old One: Dec 6, 2021; Coke Adds Life

The Oldest Man posted:

the whole book is based on a logical fallacy that individual behavioral traits like predisposition to conformity drive abstract ideological preferences when it's demonstrably observable that you can wrap whatever ideological justification you want around being a shithead

like if this guy was actually right, the democrats wouldnt be run by vote scolding geriatric rapists

Yes but he is specifically addressing the right because of the political climate at the time it was written and many of the most repulsive democrats do in fact exhibit the sort of personality traits he's discussing.

I personally believe many powerful democrats merely latched on to the most accessible power structure or the one that wasn't in direct conflict with a few personally held beliefs say that blacks or gays might not be so bad after all. These values can be held by parental authorities and be passed down to kids.

I'll use my own parents as an example. Despite growing up in a 99% white community they moved to a more heterogenous community as adults and felt strongly that I should go to school in an environment with many races and socioeconomic backgrounds.

They did not however approve of many of the people and ideas I encountered when I got there. Why does so and so have to speak with so much slang? Have baggy pants? Wear flashy jewelry? Where do you get the idea that two men marrying might be fine and doesn't hurt anyone? Why are so many of your poor friends having behavioral issues at school?

They knew what was right on the surface but had a very difficult time overcoming their biases when presented with the realities of those situations.

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Al!: Apr 2, 2010

Jose posted:

lol

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/21/...&smid=url-share

the is written by the "chatbot told me to leave my wife" guy lmao

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docbeard: Jul 19, 2011

Al! posted:

the is written by the "chatbot told me to leave my wife" guy lmao

Rutibex moving up in the world

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Al!: Apr 2, 2010

lets be honest the only way someone would remember sa esp in that light is if they got permabanned

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Dr. Jerrold Coe: Feb 6, 2021; Is it me?

cat botherer posted:

rah rah Vlad Putin, Russia's greatest lie machine

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Kitfox88: Aug 21, 2007; Anybody lose their glasses?

Jose posted:

lol

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/21/...&smid=url-share

this is all taintrunner's fault

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genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

Al! posted:

the is written by the "chatbot told me to leave my wife" guy lmao

the chatbot was right

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HashtagGirlboss: Jan 4, 2005

genericnick posted:

the chatbot was right

It was probably his wife pretending to be a chatboy

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Ytlaya: Nov 13, 2005

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Does the dude actually claim its down to a natural disposition? From what I can tell, it's supposed to describe how people behave, not like an inborn trait, even if you probably can't expect to "deprogram" someone if they've spent decades being taught to be like that. Not that it's actually important to the argument how people become like this, just that they do.

As for the part about it not being a binary, I'm not sure that's true? Being an authoritarian does not have to mean listening to everyone who proclaims themselves an authority, just that you outsource your thinking to people who you do deem an authority.

I think it's entirely possible (if not outright likely and something true of nearly everyone) for someone to support authority figures they like while opposing the ones they don't like. I would say this applies to the overwhelming majority of people, because they live in a society where "some people should have authority" is part of the culture.

Internet Old One posted:

Yes but he is specifically addressing the right because of the political climate at the time it was written and many of the most repulsive democrats do in fact exhibit the sort of personality traits he's discussing.

Why do you draw a distinction between "democrats" and "the right"?

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Al!: Apr 2, 2010

HashtagGirlboss posted:

It was probably his wife pretending to be a chatboy

now this is a fertile typo

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The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Does the dude actually claim its down to a natural disposition?

you can just go read this crackpot's self published pdf book filled with all caps yourself you know https://theauthoritarians.org/options-for-getting-the-book/

his explanations for the origins of his phrenological head measurement-derived personalities come from starts on 52

includes gems like

quote:

Support for genetic origins of things like right-wing authoritarianism increased
recently when Jack and Jeanne Block of the University of California at Berkeley
reported some results of a longitudinal study they ran. They found that females who
became liberals as adults had shown some distinctive characteristics while in nursery
school, compared with little girls who grew up to become conservatives. The future
liberals had been talkative and dominating, expressed negative feelings openly, teased
other children rather than got teased, were verbally fluent, sought to be independent,
were self-assertive, attempted to transfer blame onto others, were aggressive and set
high standards for themselves. Little girls who grew up to be conservatives, in turn,
had been indecisive and vacillating, were easily victimized by other children, were
inhibited and constricted, kept their thoughts and feelings to themselves, were shy and
reserved, were anxious in an unpredictable environment, tended to yield and give in
to others, were obedient, and compliant, and were immobilized by stress.

The liberal versus conservative men showed far fewer differences as children
than the women had. But future liberals were resourceful, independent and proud of
their accomplishments, while tomorrow�s conservative men at nursery school were
visibly deviant from their peers, appeared to feel unworthy, had a readiness to feel
guilty, were anxious in an unpredictable environment, and tended to be suspicious and
distrustful of others.

By the time children get to nursery school they bring with them not only the
genes that created them but also several years of experiences at home. But a study that
shows connections between such early childhood behaviors and adult attitudes--even
weak ones, which were the rule in the data--has to lend weight to the genetic
possibility.

see liberals are just born to become confident, high status toddlers while conservatives are frightened, beta toddlers

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Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

everyone recommended reading that thing, it was like the political equivalent of "might i recommend george r.r. martin's a song of ice & fire"

i read maybe a page of it and realized there was nothing to back up his assertions at all. may as well just read some tarot cards or take one of the dozen mba personality tests

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A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

The Oldest Man posted:

you can just go read this crackpot's self published pdf book filled with all caps yourself you know https://theauthoritarians.org/options-for-getting-the-book/

his explanations for the origins of his phrenological head measurement-derived personalities come from starts on 52

includes gems like

see liberals are just born to become confident, high status toddlers while conservatives are frightened, beta toddlers

thanks. sounds like the book could've been replaced by a couple of virgin vs. chad/stacy memes.

Ytlaya posted:

I think it's entirely possible (if not outright likely and something true of nearly everyone) for someone to support authority figures they like while opposing the ones they don't like. I would say this applies to the overwhelming majority of people, because they live in a society where "some people should have authority" is part of the culture.

I agree.

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DACK FAYDEN: Feb 25, 2013; Bear Witness

HashtagGirlboss posted:

Reminds me of that one guy who got some media attention in 2017/2018 or so as �I was a paid Russian troll here is my tell all� and he would say very seriously �oh yeah the reason we went for the right wing types is that you liberals are just too savvy and media literate to fall for my con� and it was very lmao

he even had a valid point (not the one he was making) about how one side was much more inclined to click on whackadoodle banner ads and join ridiculous facebook groups

just, you know, nobody can make that point because the other half of the point is "and your side does these stupid things instead"

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poisonpill: Nov 8, 2009; The only way to get huge fast is to insult a passing witch and hope she curses you with Beast-strength.

A Buttery Pastry posted:

thanks. sounds like the book could've been replaced by a couple of virgin vs. chad/stacy memes.

all books can eventually be reduced to a few memes without losing anything of substance

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eSports Chaebol: Feb 22, 2005; Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Authoritarianism as a behavior in people is absolutely real. It's what makes people ask the teacher for homework or call for mods when discussions aren't entirely to their taste.

these are my instincts and they haven�t really changed but also I can choose not to act on them because I have a brain and allow myself to think. extreme behavioralism is just dressed-up nihilism

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Lib and let die: Aug 26, 2004

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/21/...&smid=url-share

The failing new york times!

quote:

At the time, Reddit was known as one of the darkest parts of the internet — an anything-goes forum where trolls, extremists and edgelords reigned. Light on rules and overseen by an army of volunteer moderators, Reddit — which once hosted popular communities devoted to nonconsensual pornography, overt racism and violent misogyny, among other topics — was often spoken of in the same breath as online cesspools like 4chan and SomethingAwful.

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