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linux is great because to use it i have to have to pick a "window manager", whatever THAT is, after which i will immediately be told by 47% of the internet that i'm using the wrong one
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Jonny 290 posted:linux is great because to use it i have to have to pick a "window manager", whatever THAT is, after which i will immediately be told by 47% of the internet that i'm using the wrong one install Ubuntu problem solved
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Jonny 290 posted:linux is great because to use it i have to have to pick a "window manager", whatever THAT is, after which i will immediately be told by 47% of the internet that i'm using the wrong one yeah I don't have that problem with these headless ARM boards
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what are the big differences between like Debian and arch and fedora and Ubuntu etc anyways people get really tribal about it and it’s like drat fellas it’s Linux
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i always always always run debian on my big huge headless home servers. the big thing is that it doesnt install a god drat thing. and thats good to me. i dont need a gui i dont need this and that, if i have to 'apt install sudo' that's fine!. it runs very quick and i can identify every process in top.
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Apr 6, 2024 03:51
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:what are the big differences between like Debian and arch and fedora and Ubuntu etc anyways Linux is literally about being a hostile tribal rear end in a top hat over software choices
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Apr 6, 2024 03:57
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ryanrs posted:Setting my serial adapter to the RK3399's weird default baud rate of 1,500,000. lol i'm not surprised macos didn't like the non-standard baud rate anyway i have no idea what to even look for in that log but good luck with it
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Jonny 290 posted:linux is great because to use it i have to have to pick a "window manager", whatever THAT is, after which i will immediately be told by 47% of the internet that i'm using the wrong one no you don't, e.g. kde uses kwin and it comes with it. most desktop environments do, xfce has mutter, etc
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Jonny 290 posted:linux is great because to use it i have to have to pick a "window manager", whatever THAT is, after which i will immediately be told by 47% of the internet that i'm using the wrong one this is the yospos experience, id have thought youd be used to it by now
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has anyone used steamos as like a regular desktop linux thing? i guess its just debain underneath but like .. idk. Anyone tried it? Be nice to not have to keep a windows partition.
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Apr 6, 2024 04:46
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Beeftweeter posted:no you don't, e.g. kde uses kwin and it comes with it. most desktop environments do, xfce has mutter, etc none of these words in the bible, etc.
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Apr 6, 2024 04:48
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Jonny 290 posted:none of these words in the bible, etc. moses said "kde is good now" and the red sea parted
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rotor posted:has anyone used steamos as like a regular desktop linux thing? see my posts earlier in this thread re: steamos
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Elder Postsman posted:see my posts eew
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ryanrs posted:I am building OpenWRT on a Rockchip RK3399 SoC. It has: Revisiting this question, the answer is yes, all 6 cores can run at once. This wasn't the case for early big.LITTLE architectures, but current chips are more flexible. The RK3399 has 2 clusters, the dual A72 cluster, and the quad A53 cluster. Voltage and frequency scaling appears to be on a whole-cluster basis, so e.g. all the A53 cores are always running at the same speed. PCIe status: Though I haven't gotten x4 lanes working, I did get the x1 lane running at gen2 speed. This is officially unsupported by Rockchip because of stability issues on some boards, but it seems to be running ok for me at the moment. I'll benchmark a build tonight. It'll be a good indication if the build is i/o bound.
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this might be a stupid suggestion, and i put the laptop i was using away for the night so i can't check myself, but is there anything related in /sys/ you might be able to edit? it says it's using x4 in the log you posted, it's possible there might be some driver setting or hardware property
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In that log, both ends are claiming to be capable of x4, but somehow they only end up negotiating x1. I need to figure out how to turn on more low level PCIe debugging info. Dunno if I have to rebuild the kernel to turn that stuff on, tho. This NVME drive is my system drive, so I don't think I can send it PCI resets or reconfigure it while the system is running. I may need to move the filesystem back to microSD so I can try some other x4 PCIe adapter, just to test with a different card.
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rotor posted:has anyone used steamos as like a regular desktop linux thing? i think it's based on arch now
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PCIe Gen 2 Build Speeds & Conclusion First, a simple test with dd to confirm we're getting x1 Gen 2 speeds. code:These results suggest the best course of action is to revert to Gen 1 speed for stability, and call it a day. It doesn't look like there will be a real-world performance improvement even if all 4 lanes were working.
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Jonny 290 posted:linux is great because to use it i have to have to pick a "window manager", whatever THAT is, after which i will immediately be told by 47% of the internet that i'm using the wrong one 47% is quite conservative. not to mention if something fails to work, where 87% will offer the solution "you are using the wrong x, using y everything works for me"
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:what are the big differences between like Debian and arch and fedora and Ubuntu etc anyways with the ubiquity of systemd, the only real distro differentiators are the package management and release schedule, but here are some general tips: - debian good for servers - arch good for workstations when you want good docs and latest everything, at the cost of frequent reboots from all the kernel updates - fedora good if you enjoy awful package management and you post in the other linux thread (i don't hear of anyone actually using fedora except a few ppl in there) - ubuntu good for dealing with the latest reinvented trash that a small business tyrant had directed some nerds to bodge together over the prior few months
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gentoo in the sheets, fedora in the streets
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Jonny 290 posted:linux is great because to use it i have to have to pick a "window manager", whatever THAT is, after which i will immediately be told by 47% of the internet that i'm using the wrong one which is true if you're not using i3
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rotor posted:has anyone used steamos as like a regular desktop linux thing? It's arch based now, insomuch as Valve take a snapshot of the Arch repos and add their own for kernels and poo poo (this is different to the bad thing manjaro does because they do not take a snapshot, but rather mix repos wholesale). It also uses the concept of an immutable root filesystem. this means you do not make changes in / because it's read-only. Even if you do make changes to it, they will be overwritten at the next upgrade. For general desktop use there is no official release. The closest you get is HoloISO which is a project that builds an installer for SteamOS based on the repo information. So using it as a desktop os? Not worth it. The only way to do it is with an unofficial installer and even though that installer doctors stuff it is still very much an os for a weird shaped handheld. Immutable fs can introduce frustration for some, too. I wouldn't bother. Linux is pretty good btw.
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we're all computer touchers but we don't have to also be mouse touchers
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ryanrs posted:After enabling Gen 2 speed, build time increased(!) by 26 seconds over a 3.5 hour build. I'm surprised and suspicious that the times are so similar. ehh thats not terribly surprising imo, you could be maxing out the rockchip. it might be that increased i/o just doesn't make a difference
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:47% is quite conservative. yes, any x is the wrong x (...xwayland is acceptable i suppose)
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:what are the big differences between like Debian and arch and fedora and Ubuntu etc anyways basically package management systems and what optimizations they put into them (usually not many). clear also uses its own imo kinda stupid swupd system but also supports yum/dnf, but all packages are built with balls to the wall full tilt optimizations. and it really does make a distinct difference e: oh kernel optimizations too. most distros don't do (m)any. clear does a lot Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Apr 6, 2024 |
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claiming the quad to say swupd drools dnf rules (at least on clear, gimme apt over either any day). but also clear > debian for real though swupd really isn't that bad, it is extremely fast since clear does everything in packages they call "bundles", but the tradeoff is that it's not very granular. some people may actually prefer that, personally i don't since what those bundles include is usually overkill e: it supporting yum/dnf is good enough to scratch that itch anyway. swupd is frequently faster than dnf, but again that's because it's not terribly granular Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Apr 6, 2024 |
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in an unprecedented itt quintuple, i'm just going to xpost this from the other linux thread because this poo poo is kinda cool imoBeeftweeter posted:rusty talking about openblas up there somehow reminded me of gambas, basically visual basic (classic, not .net) for linux and friends
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i went to the gym and then had a long walk hoo boy that was a long time to not be using linux for
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Progressive JPEG posted:with the ubiquity of systemd, the only real distro differentiators are the package management and release schedule, but here are some general tips: I've been using Fedora as my desktop os for a year+ and it's Fine, although for the life of me I can't remember why I didn't pick arch for this instead
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it's reasonable to choose fedora over arch if you don't want the fun of installing abso-loving-lutely everything. i call it fun without sarcasm.
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fedora has been the only distro that “just worked” for me. debian too but I didn’t like having outdated packages
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fedora really is great for a 'just works' distro. dnf is a poo poo package manager but a normie would ignore it and use flatpaks most of the time, without even knowing they are using flatpaks. use fedora if you want to use windows
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Now that I have my ARM64 build server running pretty well, I'm building a custom image for the $16 GL-AR750 travel router I got the other day. It has a single core MIPS24K @ 650 MHz and 128 MB of RAM, and I'll stick in a 32 GB microSD card. Those are some pretty nice specs, if you're old enough. My two immediate goals for this build: 1) When the router boots for the first time, I want it to politely take a DHCP address, rather than fight my real router for control of 192.168.1.1. 2) Install gcc and whatever else I need to do local compiles of small programs for MIPS24k. Not for building OpenWRT, but just for my own code. I think maybe this could all be assembled from pre-compiled parts using the Image Builder, but right now I'm trying to build from source.
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debian is good because apt/dokg are good and more importantly pretty easy to use for new users
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apt is actually poo. why is it so slow???
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it might honestly just be that pacman spoiled me. it downloads the files, and extracts them to the place. in comparison, apt is like doing a bank transfer.
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