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*bending over to inspect a blade of grass* hell yeah
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I understand all of the slow gameplay complaints for the start of Endwalker. But it's the exact same for all of the expansions, we just tend to forget because the pacing is better for the last 80% of the set. Heavensward was tours around Ishgard, the Sea of Clouds, and Western Coerthas. Stormblood might actually be the shortest, but it's still tours around the reach, and the two neighboring zones. Raubahn Ex comes fairly quick though. Even Shadowbringers did this. You had the intro period when you were lost in Lakeland, then you get the long Crystarium tour, followed by the two character lines. Little bit of minor combat here and there, but same as the rest. That's always kinda been the gameplay structure up until the first dungeon. Endwalker is longer overall, so that might stretch out the opening act as well.
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Apr 18, 2024 16:04
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Dawntrail is gonna do the same thing. I guarantee it. You'll get offered two paths to do in either order, and after both paths, the first dungeon. It's how they split up the rush of players between two zones
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Apr 18, 2024 16:06
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Yeah. And it's gonna be setting the stage. Lots of walking and talking, with limited duties or combat in general.
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Apr 18, 2024 16:08
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The first three DT zones will be split in half and you will only get access to the other halves at strangely arbitrary points late in the story.Arist posted:*bending over to inspect a blade of grass* hell yeah 
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Apr 18, 2024 16:16
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Funky Valentine posted:The first three DT zones will be split in half and you will only get access to the other halves at strangely arbitrary points late in the story. *sees Aether Current up on a cliff next to a level 99 FATE* "yeah"
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Funky Valentine posted:The first three DT zones will be split in half and you will only get access to the other halves at strangely arbitrary points late in the story. As long as we don't get a repeat of the Machinist Job Quest that requires you to go to the top half of The Sea Of Clouds, but you can't get to it because you haven't progressed the story that far... (And since it hasn't happened since then, I suspect they learned their lesson and it won't happen again, just like locking the Heavensward Jobs in a city you can't access until you start Heavensward proper)
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Apr 18, 2024 16:21
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The only job quests will be for Picto and Viper, and they'll take place in Endwalker zones, so we should be safe from that.
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Apr 18, 2024 16:24
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The downside is they never put them in later cities ever anymore. MCH, DRK, and AST felt like they fleshed out Ishgard locally more than any later jobs did with other locations. You'd think with jobs starting at 80 they'd start letting themselves use Ishgard and Kugane as starting locations.
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Apr 18, 2024 16:27
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gay devil posted:The downside is they never put them in later cities ever anymore. MCH, DRK, and AST felt like they fleshed out Ishgard locally more than any later jobs did with other locations.
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Apr 18, 2024 16:52
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gay devil posted:The downside is they never put them in later cities ever anymore. MCH, DRK, and AST felt like they fleshed out Ishgard locally more than any later jobs did with other locations. I agree that it really helped with the worldbuilding, but I think it's one of those things where they decided that even going back to Ishgard and Kugane as you said would risk doing so at the expense of gameplay. And it would kinda be a half measure. The reason Ishgardian jobs stand out so much is because the lore of the place was built around those jobs. If Pictomancer started in Kugane, it still wouldn't be *integrated* with Kugane. They'd have the same "lone traveler from afar brings there lore with them and inducts you" story it would just start somewhere else. And, while you're supposed to level up along the MSQ and so would reasonably have access to those cities at the same time you had the level, the Newbie Thread has seen a non-zero number of people who get FAR ahead of the MSQ and would be exactly the sort to run into problems again.
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Apr 18, 2024 17:00
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:The only job quests will be for Picto and Viper, and they'll take place in Endwalker zones, so we should be safe from that. Speaking of, we still haven't heard about role quests or DoH/DoL quests, have we? I hope they weren't quietly cut, but I can't imagine they'd do that.
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I don't believe they've said anything about DoH/DoL quests, I'm assuming it'll just be round three of the Mean/Studium.
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Cleretic posted:Speaking of, we still haven't heard about role quests or DoH/DoL quests, have we? I'd assume all the crafting and gathering will be equivalent to the Crystarium and Stadium Deliveries and perhaps tied into the space exploration thing that is supposedly similar to Ishagard Restoration, and they've said very little about it so far
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Apr 18, 2024 17:23
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Can't wait to sweep a moon! Unironically - I loved those phases of the Firmament.
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They seem happy with the role quests for combat and trades, so I'd bet that's where they're going again. It'd be nice if the combat role quests were a bit more integrated into the MSQ, more Shadowbringers than Endwalker, but I think it's a good compromise over jobs quests for all.
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Apr 18, 2024 17:32
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I hope individualized job quests come back because it gives more chances for ridiculous reasons for NPCs to be in Tural, like when we had to ship that dragon to Kugane in Stormblood DRG quests.
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Ojjeorago posted:I hope individualized job quests come back because it gives more chances for ridiculous reasons for NPCs to be in Tural, like when we had to ship that dragon to Kugane in Stormblood DRG quests. They will never come back.
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Apr 18, 2024 18:10
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Ojjeorago posted:I hope individualized job quests come back because it gives more chances for ridiculous reasons for NPCs to be in Tural, like when we had to ship that dragon to Kugane in Stormblood DRG quests. That would be fun but I don't think they're coming back due to development time. What I'd like to see is those Job characters getting involved in the Role quests. Either by role or by kingdom. It would be interesting to see the Bard, Dancer and Machinist folks trying to collaborate on something, or the BRD, DRG, WHM and SMN forces of Gridania coordinating to support each other. The Bard quests already absorb the Lancers into them.
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Apr 18, 2024 18:11
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they take a ton of dev time and also they kind of kill the storys intended flow if you basically have to run back and do some random thing with some NPCs. its one thing if some players just wander off mid story naturally its another if every 3 levels you have to or be gimped
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Apr 18, 2024 18:15
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Yeah, having to do job quests to get your actual skills is neat in a thematic way but feels bad from a plot perspective. Like if I had to, before going into the 3rd dungeon in Endwalker, go take a side trip to hang out in Gridania so I can get my next skill, that would have loving murdered the pacing and tone.
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"Gee Guydelot, this 'Elpis' place sure is strange!"
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The main thing keeping individual job quests from coming back is that they add two jobs in every expansion which means the number of quests they'd have to do just grows and grows, as opposed to five role questlines forever
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Thematically it makes more sense to get abilities by leveling post 70 because by text were making new abilities and skills instead of learning from the job stonesm
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Thematically it makes more sense to get abilities by leveling post 70 because by text were making new abilities and skills instead of learning from the job stonesm Yeah, right now, we're filling the Job Stones with new skills. At the end of Dawntrail, when we're Level 100, the post-expansion patches will be us retiring, and becoming the new Job Trainers for NPCs. But with 34 Jobs(!!!), we'll get confused as to which NPC is being trained in what Job, leading to us teaching Draconian Fury to Fishers (who just think it's another tool for Spearfishing), The Blackest Knight to Blacksmiths, and how to sit while attacking to Reapers.
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I wish the role quests weren't quite so on rails though, they were all basically the same questline in ShB / EW in structure even if the characters and themes changed a bit. It wasn't that bad for EW given the overall context of the quests but it suffered in ShB imo.
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aers posted:Remember that "High" "Very High" whatever are just measurements of your average framerate over the course of the benchmark and you can check your average framerate (and min framerate) by hitting the save results button at the end. If you only have a 60hz monitor "Very High" is probably already higher than your monitor can draw back in my day 60 fps was the goal! it was the standard! now it's seen as the bare minimum, or not good enough!! and people have fancier monitors than me!!!! 
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Thematically it makes more sense to get abilities by leveling post 70 because by text were making new abilities and skills instead of learning from the job stonesm yes, they wrote their way out of having skills be learned through quests. it's thematic because it was written to be thematic it's much better this way and i'm glad they did it. it's something they do, narratively justify design of game mechanics, and sometimes that works great and sometimes it leaves things to be desired. like the expansion jobs, objectively it's good that they aren't locked to areas accessible only via msq progress. narratively that means the jobs feel less connected to the expansions they're from, as pointed out drk mch and ast all fill in the story of ishgard and the lore of both the jobs and ishgard were designed in tandem. i don't know. it's not that they can't, sam takes you into ishgard before going to kugane. dnc takes you to the peaks. gnb has some in ishgard, rdm and sge need you to get to idyllshire. rpr is the odd one out only taking place in thanalan. i think some of it has to do with there simply being fewer job quests for newer jobs, by a substantial amount.
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Doesn't RPR go to the Dusk Vigil?
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oh, so it does. shows me for skimming the job quest texts. also rpr is the one class i still have down at 71
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I just want to know wtf happened to the arcanist guild headmaster
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When they said he's rarely seen, they meant it.
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I still haven't cleared the melee and healer Job Quest even years later...I see him waiting for me in Limsa but he'll be there forever until DT.
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:The only job quests will be for Picto and Viper, and they'll take place in Endwalker zones, so we should be safe from that. They probably won't even be in Endwalker zones. Reaper is like 99% in Thanalan and then you go to Ishgard for the last one. Sage is almost entirely in HW areas with occasional dips in ARR.
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Expansion jobs haven't been in expansion zones since HW, they've basically all been in ARR areas
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After the EW Role Quests, I'm excited for Aymeric to come out and say "Actually, colonialism is good."
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Waffleman_ posted:Expansion jobs haven't been in expansion zones since HW, they've basically all been in ARR areas Well they all start there but they do poke their head in to expansions eventually. I just don't think we've had job quests that go to a Current Expansion Area or even last expansion's areas since Stormblood. e: correction, Dancer does go to Ala Mhigo so that's one post-SB instance of a previous expansion area Blockhouse fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Apr 18, 2024 |
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Mordiceius posted:After the EW Role Quests, I'm excited for Aymeric to come out and say "Actually, colonialism is good." interesting
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Mordiceius posted:After the EW Role Quests, I'm excited for Aymeric to come out and say "Actually, colonialism is good." i dont think thats what the ew role quests were about op, so i think this is your opinion. why do you think colonialism is good?
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