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Speleothing posted:I just don't loving understand why these idiots insist on Hodling a meme stock. Has TSLA ever given dividends? The other half of "buy low" is "sell high". Dividends aren't so much the issue, the issue is that the profit Tesla is making compared to the overall value of the company is pretty tiny. The price to earnings ratio is a fairly fundamental metric for valuing companies (or at least determining if they are over or undervalued). Would you rather spend $100 on something that generates $10 of profit for you, or $100 on something that gives you $1 of profit? Ford is worth $50 billion, it sold 4.4 million cars in 2023 and has price/earnings ratio of 7.5 or so. Tesla is 'worth' $500 billion or so, it sold 1.8 million cars in 2023 and has a PE of 36 or something. Car companies tend to have a PE below 10, VW was closer to 4. For Tesla to have a PE ratio comparable to other car companies the share price would have to fall to around $30/share (making the company worth about $95 billion, one fifth of it's 'value' today). Alternatively their profit would need to increase by about 5x to around $70 billion. This is the main reason Tesla stans always talk about how it isn't a car company, it's a tech company. Tech companies get away with a much higher PE ratio because they are thought of as developing stuff that doesn't make much money now but will print money at some point in the future. This ties into Musk threatening to take his ideas and develop them in some other company if Tesla doesn't give him his $50 billion bonus, Tesla is much harder to sell as a tech company if they aren't seen to be actively trying to develop new technology. If it didn't have Musk involved and didn't have a sky high valuation it would actually be pretty impressive that Tesla had gone from nothing to selling nearly 2 million cars a year in the space of 20 years.
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The tech company poo poo is baffling because their tech requires buying the car. There's no other way around it, they're not sourcing out FSD tech as far as I know
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Apr 18, 2024 22:15
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shyduck posted:The tech company poo poo is baffling because their tech requires buying the car. There's no other way around it, they're not sourcing out FSD tech as far as I know Yeah I don't think the claims really stack up with what Tesla is doing. Maybe their supercharger network is part of it if they can clip the ticket via some sort of licencing fee every time another brand's EV is charged using their network. But other than that you don't really see much potentially valuable technology coming out of them.
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Apr 18, 2024 22:20
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gay picnic defence posted:Alternatively their profit would need to increase by about 5x to around $70 billion. and even the Tesla stans pulling numbers out of their rear end with "We're gonna license FSD to every car company in the world and make $20b!" are way way off that profit number
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Apr 18, 2024 22:21
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Tai posted:dumb rear end musk bird post, snipping so his stupid ugly mug isnt quoted i really hate this loving trope. "bros" say theyre independent, or centrist, or moderate, or "classically" liberal, or even left(tim "beanie/ bald" pool) but then say the left have gotten so extreme so theyre rightwing now. no you piece of poo poo
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Apr 18, 2024 22:27
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Yes, a sane analysis based on equivalent companies puts the price at like $12-35/share. But I was talking about insane investor behavior, not the fundamental problems with the stock itself. The dividends are the issue for crazy TSLA to the moon types if they are Hodling through the booms. If you don't sell the stock when it's up and the company never pays you a dividend, then what do you get from having it??? I guess maybe some people who hold a lot can get loans leveraged against their portfolio, if the bank is willing to do it.
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Apr 18, 2024 22:28
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Speleothing posted:If you don't sell the stock when it's up and the company never pays you a dividend, then what do you get from having it??? they get to blow their life savings to prop up Elon's net worth. There have literally been tweets with people being all "I liquidated my kids' college fund, we won't let the stock price go down @elonmusk" The answer is it's a cult.
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Apr 18, 2024 22:32
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Speleothing posted:The dividends are the issue for crazy TSLA to the moon types if they are Hodling through the booms. If you don't sell the stock when it's up and the company never pays you a dividend, then what do you get from having it??? The smug satisfaction of being a TSLA stockholder. It's all bellyfeels and being a prick, all the way down.
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Speleothing posted:The dividends are the issue for crazy TSLA to the moon types if they are Hodling through the booms. If you don't sell the stock when it's up and the company never pays you a dividend, then what do you get from having it??? You get to smugly  about it. Same club as Shitcoin enjoyers. Why do you think there's such an overlap between cryptobros and Musk Suckers?edit: These zealots would probably turn up their noses at those old folks who spend their whole day pulling the slot machine lever at a casino. By attributing value to TSLA or BTC, they're doing the same thing, they are just desperate to give it an air of dignity. Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Apr 18, 2024 |
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Apr 18, 2024 22:34
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Tesla launched a website to beg shareholders to give Elon money https://www.supportteslavalue.com/
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:the original tesla roadster from 2011 or whatever was neat. i really wanted one back then. The Tesla Roadster was a Lotus Elise with an electric motor. Which is why it looked good. Tesla didn't design it. Ehud posted:literally any stock 4wd vehicle with 9" of ground clearance can do this Bro, my Crown Victoria can probably handle that. It's more of a truck than that pile of poo poo is. I *know* my wife's '03 Outback can. The Fuzzy Hulk posted:I have taken my riding lawn mower more "off-road" than that. Not a joke, I have to cross over from one part of the yard to another that looks just like this. 
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Apr 18, 2024 23:05
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Speleothing posted:Yes, a sane analysis based on equivalent companies puts the price at like $12-35/share. The answer is they think the company is worth trillions. They aren’t getting in to sell at $420.69 a share, they’ve deluded themselves into thinking it can get to thousands per share. Dividends don’t really enter into the equation.
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Captain Hygiene posted:I finally remembered what all these videos of Cybertrucks inching along over mild terrain remind me of, it's Power Wheels: Definitely has better build quality. shyduck posted:lmao apparently the WholeMars guy is a convicted felon He's also a massive non-stop $TSLA (and FSD) shill. Like, every. single. post all day long. His feed is nothing but. So, you know, a piece of poo poo from the word go.
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Apr 18, 2024 23:39
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isnt Mars Catalog suppose to be a reference to Earth Catalog which was a competitor to Sky Mall which is just a tacky mail order merch magazine on airplanes during the pre internet, pre mobile device era for passing time? oh also pre amazon / dropshit sites.
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Apr 18, 2024 23:50
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whole earth catalog was like hippie sears
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shyduck posted:Tesla launched a website to beg shareholders to give Elon money 
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Darchangel posted:The Tesla Roadster was a Lotus Elise with an electric motor. Which is why it looked good. Tesla didn't design it. oh trust me, i know
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Texas says I can stay up on school nights playing video games and eat ice cream for breakfast and doesn't nag me to clean my room and do my homework, like dumb mean stinky ol' Delaware
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:oh trust me, i know The Model S looked fantastic for a sedan at the time it came out, especially for how low the drag coefficient was. But the guy who designed it also had the pleasure of attaching his name to the Cybertruck, and he was the guy who personally broke its windows in front of the world, I'm sure he's thrilled with that.
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shyduck posted:The tech company poo poo is baffling because their tech requires buying the car. There's no other way around it, they're not sourcing out FSD tech as far as I know They're making noise about how they're going to start selling FSD to other automakers. The Ford VP has been dunking on them all week making fun of it: https://www.threads.net/@mrlevine/post/C56LW88rL97
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Advertisers are back, baby! [url][/url] Seth edit: removed this because no Somebody fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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great job elon
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shyduck posted:The tech company poo poo is baffling because their tech requires buying the car. Hey, you’re forgetting the robot that can slowly shuffle around.
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Quote-Unquote posted:Advertisers are back, baby! God bless the global Town square! Seth edit: how about we don't Somebody fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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Apr 19, 2024 01:11
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why not delaware, the state everyone uses because of its well-worn courts defending normal business practices? because we are constantly being sued to do business normally.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/hyundai-pauses-x-ads-nazi-content-platform-rcna148414
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lol finally "Ok we're going to give this Elon Musk one more year to not have our ads next to Nazis and then we are DONE!"
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That framing is incredible - Absolutely no contrition or admittance either, no “we got it wrong and will do better” - just the court undone what we done and that’s bad. It’s obviously the court is wrong for enforcing the law, because if they thought the judge ruled wrong they would be appealing instead of trying to move to another state.
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shyduck posted:Tesla launched a website to beg shareholders to give Elon money I can't be the only person to misread this as "SupportSlaveValue" at first glance right?
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Swiper wouldn’t do that
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Quote-Unquote posted:Advertisers are back, baby! OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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X, the Epstei... er Everything App
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Quote-Unquote posted:Advertisers are back, baby! elon made a spelling mistake and got rid of the boots. this could have been prevented R.L. Stine fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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Please stop quoting the Dora the Explorer porn tweet.
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im surprised musk even allows other car companiwa to even have ads, like its a private biz now, he can do anything.
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PhazonLink posted:im surprised musk even allows other car companiwa to even have ads, like its a private biz now, he can do anything. I mean, he can only get so much from the CSAM advertisers.
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You know it just occurred to me... does Mush hate the terms cis and cisgender because he thinks they're slang for sissy? I mean, I had that pop into my head and thought "Nah, there's no way he could be that ignorant" but after so long reading this thread I'm not that confident.
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