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Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

MonsterEnvy posted:

Culling Game has to end for it to activate. Which involves Sukuna killing all remaining players.

Does that mean Megumi can't activate under the same conditions as well?

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TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!
megumi's the game master now and could do as kenjaku did where you just get to add any rule you want.

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


Electric Phantasm posted:

Dude just can't help himself even when collaborating on specialty drinks



Hmm, they forgot the boba at the bottom of my tea...

WITH THIS TREASURE I SUMMON

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

TheHan posted:

megumi's the game master now and could do as kenjaku did where you just get to add any rule you want.

No Kenjaku needed points, and also to threaten the Culling Game with being turned off by deactiving Tengen's Barriers..

Megumi / Sukuna needs to kill all remaining players for the game to end, or make Tengen's Barriers end.

TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!

MonsterEnvy posted:

No Kenjaku needed points, and also to threaten the Culling Game with being turned off by deactiving Tengen's Barriers..

Megumi / Sukuna needs to kill all remaining players for the game to end, or make Tengen's Barriers end.

whoops forgot about the points. how many did he have before getting cursed? maybe sukuna made enough back killing randos. otherwise megumi does have the same conditions kenjaku had to make his own rules, since he's got tengen in his tummy.

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!

Electric Phantasm posted:

Dude just can't help himself even when collaborating on specialty drinks



What flavors are those?

rkd_
Aug 25, 2022

TheHan posted:

megumi's the game master now and could do as kenjaku did where you just get to add any rule you want.

Maybe I misremember, but I don’t think you can change a rule that has been added.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

rkd_ posted:

Maybe I misremember, but I don’t think you can change a rule that has been added.

You can't but you can add a counter rule. Like the culling game ends if Kenjaku and Sukuna are dead, instead of the opposite which they have going.

I think it's more likely the Culling Game is ended by the Barriers being deactivated.

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
Official version is out but the translation seems really off this week

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

RatHat posted:

Official version is out but the translation seems really off this week

John Werry should probably be replaced by Lighting full time.

Fair Bear Maiden
Jun 17, 2013

MonsterEnvy posted:

John Werry should probably be replaced by Lighting full time.

Let's not pretend as if Lightning's translations wouldn't also be criticized if they were official. While Jujutsu Kaisen has had some real stinkers, manga fans have been trained to distrust official translations and do that reflexively. Case in point: the one chapter that *was* translated by Lightning was still lambasted here.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Fair Bear Maiden posted:

Let's not pretend as if Lightning's translations wouldn't also be criticized if they were official. While Jujutsu Kaisen has had some real stinkers, manga fans have been trained to distrust official translations and do that reflexively. Case in point: the one chapter that *was* translated by Lightning was still lambasted here.

we all know how snappy general audiences get about translations but jjk is the worst-localized comic in jump to such a degree that it's immediately obvious

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream

Oxxidation posted:

we all know how snappy general audiences get about translations but jjk is the worst-localized comic in jump to such a degree that it's immediately obvious
There's a part of me that wants to blame him for his Demon Slayer localization because the terms he picked to not really translate bug the poo poo out of me

Fair Bear Maiden
Jun 17, 2013

Oxxidation posted:

we all know how snappy general audiences get about translations but jjk is the worst-localized comic in jump to such a degree that it's immediately obvious

To be clear, I'm not defending the way the official translation has handled JJK recently, it's really bad, to the point where I'm not sure what the narrator is saying half of the time. But it's obviously a reaction that has been magnified by the fact that it *is* an official translation.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Fabricated posted:

There's a part of me that wants to blame him for his Demon Slayer localization because the terms he picked to not really translate bug the poo poo out of me

I think that just happens. Tokyo Ghoul is loving awful about this and swaps between using Japanese and English terms for things randomly. Like to the point someone will use the term kakugan and someone will respond to them with the tern red eye.

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream

ImpAtom posted:

I think that just happens. Tokyo Ghoul is loving awful about this and swaps between using Japanese and English terms for things randomly. Like to the point someone will use the term kakugan and someone will respond to them with the tern red eye.
The biggest thing about Werry's Demon Slayer translation that made it into the common vernacular for the series was leaving "Hashira" and "Kizuki".

I thought the idea of localization was to...localize foreign terms and phrases in ways that express the original intent while holding close to the text. For a reader that does not speak a lick of Japanese... what the gently caress is a Kizuki? Or a Hashira? You can see a Hashira and read the title and be like "Oh, I guess Hashira are really strong Demon Slayers?" but "Pillar" is a much, much better choice that totally explains what they are. They're a pillar of the Demon Slayers, of their style. What the gently caress is a Kizuki? "Demon Moon" is a pretty scary sounding title, and "Upper/Lower moon" is a more elegant way of explaining the hierarchy.

Asuron
Nov 27, 2012

Fabricated posted:

The biggest thing about Werry's Demon Slayer translation that made it into the common vernacular for the series was leaving "Hashira" and "Kizuki".

I thought the idea of localization was to...localize foreign terms and phrases in ways that express the original intent while holding close to the text. For a reader that does not speak a lick of Japanese... what the gently caress is a Kizuki? Or a Hashira? You can see a Hashira and read the title and be like "Oh, I guess Hashira are really strong Demon Slayers?" but "Pillar" is a much, much better choice that totally explains what they are. They're a pillar of the Demon Slayers, of their style. What the gently caress is a Kizuki? "Demon Moon" is a pretty scary sounding title, and "Upper/Lower moon" is a more elegant way of explaining the hierarchy.

One Piece’s one also does this and it annoys the crap outta me. You get Inurashi directly translated to Dogstorm for some reason, but The Red Scabbards gets left as the Azakaya Nine or The Flying Six, which directly ties to the Lead performer and Headliner officer roles which got translated previously gets left as Tobi Roppo.

It’s just such a poo poo show where it honestly feels random on what the translator will decide to do.

The Notorious ZSB
Apr 19, 2004

I SAID WE'RE NOT GONNA BE FUCKING SUCK THIS YEAR!!!

Japanese titles often just sound cooler than a localization, I feel like (while the confusion and inconsistency is a problem) generally speaking leaving a bit of the Japanese is very acceptable to most of the fan base/core customers (despite some high profile memery in particular with Death Note for the anime).

Leaving generic items untranslated would be a problem, anything involving status or title, while a translation would be good, I just don't see most fan bases being upset in at least america with the Japanese just being straight up used.

I might have appreciated that context in Demon Slayer, but the general point of their titles was never really lost on me reading it.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



yea leaving some japanese terms untranslated does feel like a fairly common thing

in demon slayer's case, I would have preferred pillar/demon moon but that's more because I was used to the scans than anything

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
of course this guy is doing the same with Bom Ba Ye and Hakuna Laana

there might have been some legal issues around the former but there’s no excuse for the latter

Fair Bear Maiden
Jun 17, 2013
If you're impatient, raws + (very rough) translation are up on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsufolk/comments/1cnn2xt/jujutsu_kaisen_chapter_259_leaks_discussion/

No breaks next week.

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

I feel confident Nobara is coming back now.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
Is there an imgur with color commentary? I've become dependent on it.

Fair Bear Maiden
Jun 17, 2013
The imgur is just a collection of the same rough translation/commentary that is also in that Reddit thread's pinned comment. They all come from the leaker, who posts them on Twitter first and then deletes them almost immediately.

Tosk
Feb 22, 2013

I am sorry. I have no vices for you to exploit.

Spoilers for leaks:

Weak chapter for me. After all the hype, just using this as an excuse to punt Choso out of the story is a lame payoff and just feels like the cheapest narrative transaction to keep this sequence going at a fast jog. I'm not really sold on Choso blocking the fire arrow like that anwyay -- 16 finger Sukuna wasted a fire spirit orders of magnitudes stronger than most of the cast, probably including Choso, but Choso tanks Heian era Sukuna's version of it? I know Sukuna is gassed but it feels a little thin and in service of Yuji's plot armor to get him out of it that way. To say nothing of the apparent retcon with Todo using boogie woogie, but that doesn't really bother me until we see how this plays out.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
So if mahito's soul shape-changing thing can be worked around.... does that mean.......?

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007

No Wave posted:

So if mahito's soul shape-changing thing can be worked around.... does that mean.......?

thats right. all those mutated civilians yuji had to kill could have been saved…..yuji is a MONSTER

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



poo poo scan spoilers did the entire surviving cast just get nobara'd? this is exactly what happened when todo saved yuji from mahito. I guess choso is nanami in this comparison

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Manatee Cannon posted:

poo poo scan spoilers did the entire surviving cast just get nobara'd? this is exactly what happened when todo saved yuji from mahito. I guess choso is nanami in this comparison
I think they got boogie woogie'd with crows (not choso and yuji though?) Idk why he'd express ambiguity as to whether they were ok or not.
you'd think he'd know.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

No Wave posted:

I think they got boogie woogie'd with crows (not choso and yuji though?) Idk why he'd express ambiguity as to whether they were ok or not.
you'd think he'd know.


The implication seems to be that he's trying a variation on Boogie Woogie he hasn't tried before, they're asking earlier on if he's sure he can do this. So it's a "I TELEPORTED THEM TO SAFETY.. probably." thing.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



No Wave posted:

I think they got boogie woogie'd with crows (not choso and yuji though?) Idk why he'd express ambiguity as to whether they were ok or not.
you'd think he'd know.


todo isn't sure they're ok which is the exact same thing that happened with nobara and why to this day people still wonder if she's alive or not. we've got a whole schrodinger's cast at this point

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

No Wave posted:

I think they got boogie woogie'd with crows (not choso and yuji though?) Idk why he'd express ambiguity as to whether they were ok or not.
you'd think he'd know.


he’s swapping them with the Crows but he’s not sure if he got them out before they burned to death

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

MonsterEnvy posted:

he’s swapping them with the Crows but he’s not sure if he got them out before they burned to death
So where was he when he did the swap?

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

No Wave posted:

So where was he when he did the swap?

Fairly far away as they didn’t want him caught in the domain.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

MonsterEnvy posted:

Fairly far away as they didn’t want him caught in the domain.
I would have expected him to be where the crows are, which is why I was confused.

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

Tosk posted:

Spoilers for leaks:

Weak chapter for me. After all the hype, just using this as an excuse to punt Choso out of the story is a lame payoff and just feels like the cheapest narrative transaction to keep this sequence going at a fast jog. I'm not really sold on Choso blocking the fire arrow like that anwyay -- 16 finger Sukuna wasted a fire spirit orders of magnitudes stronger than most of the cast, probably including Choso, but Choso tanks Heian era Sukuna's version of it? I know Sukuna is gassed but it feels a little thin and in service of Yuji's plot armor to get him out of it that way. To say nothing of the apparent retcon with Todo using boogie woogie, but that doesn't really bother me until we see how this plays out.

Brotherhood is stronger than any flame.

UnderFreddy
Oct 9, 2012

GEGENPOSTING

Tosk posted:

Spoilers for leaks:

Weak chapter for me. After all the hype, just using this as an excuse to punt Choso out of the story is a lame payoff and just feels like the cheapest narrative transaction to keep this sequence going at a fast jog. I'm not really sold on Choso blocking the fire arrow like that anwyay -- 16 finger Sukuna wasted a fire spirit orders of magnitudes stronger than most of the cast, probably including Choso, but Choso tanks Heian era Sukuna's version of it? I know Sukuna is gassed but it feels a little thin and in service of Yuji's plot armor to get him out of it that way. To say nothing of the apparent retcon with Todo using boogie woogie, but that doesn't really bother me until we see how this plays out.

choso obviously just put a binding vow into his protection of yuji, duuh

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

I remember when Choso was cutting a bunch of rando civilians in half in the Shinjuku...good times

PringleCreamEgg
Jul 2, 2004

Sleep, rest, do your best.

Tosk posted:

Spoilers for leaks:

Weak chapter for me. After all the hype, just using this as an excuse to punt Choso out of the story is a lame payoff and just feels like the cheapest narrative transaction to keep this sequence going at a fast jog. I'm not really sold on Choso blocking the fire arrow like that anwyay -- 16 finger Sukuna wasted a fire spirit orders of magnitudes stronger than most of the cast, probably including Choso, but Choso tanks Heian era Sukuna's version of it? I know Sukuna is gassed but it feels a little thin and in service of Yuji's plot armor to get him out of it that way. To say nothing of the apparent retcon with Todo using boogie woogie, but that doesn't really bother me until we see how this plays out.

Choso did not in fact tank it, he actually died. I think “i will sacrifice my life to make a blood barrier that can protect this one person” is probably a pretty strong binding vow, and even if not directly stated to be such it can be implied since Sukuna is basically doing a binding vow every other page.

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ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Nobara will come back when it is revealed she made a binding vow as she was dying to survive in exchange for one of her eyes.

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