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Not a Step posted:Uh... her health care plan basically amounted to 'Defend Obamacare' and 'Maybe ask if the states want to try out Single Payer? Maybe?' well obamacare picked a great moment to start falling apart
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Main Paineframe posted:I never thought I'd see the day when the left was complaining that the Democrats weren't throwing black people under the bus hard enough to appeal to white voters 
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Nov 9, 2016 23:55
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Dear black Americans, please find us the reincarnation of Malcom X Uh if we're reincarnating people can I request Huey Long?
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Nov 9, 2016 23:55
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Main Paineframe posted:I never thought I'd see the day when the left was complaining that the Democrats weren't throwing black people under the bus hard enough to appeal to white voters Believing that white voter blocs and black voter blocs can never find common ground ideologically sounds pretty racist to me
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Nov 9, 2016 23:55
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Panzeh posted:I think Bernie Sanders had a message that appealed to the rust belt white people as well as BLM folks and I don't think anyone would really have been thrown under the bus except Hillary but it looks like that happened anyway. What really blows my mind is that Sanders did more than just pack rallies. He raised more than 200 million in funds. He revealed a completely alternative approach to running a national campaign which could have freed the DNC from some of it's sickening dependence on money from corporate interests.
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Nov 9, 2016 23:57
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Humidora posted:Believing that white voter blocs and black voter blocs can never find common ground ideologically sounds pretty racist to me History seems pretty racist to me too.
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Nov 9, 2016 23:57
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Raskolnikov38 posted:hey quick without checking name one policy Hillary had if you can Did she keep the '10 hours of work per week for every student' thing?
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Nov 9, 2016 23:58
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Helsing posted:What really blows my mind is that Sanders did more than just pack rallies. He raised more than 200 million in funds. He revealed a completely alternative approach to running a national campaign which could have freed the DNC from some of it's sickening dependence on money from corporate interests. and then we nominated hillary clinton 
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economist had a good chart here trump did worse with whites and Republicans than Romney. but he won due to racism you see. I'd honestly like to see a breakdown of wi/mi/pa by percentage of households that are union and went trump, that could be the entire election
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Nov 9, 2016 23:58
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Raskolnikov38 posted:and then we nominated hillary clinton Remember how Hill Bullies argued Hillary deserved unquestioning support since she was the best option to defeat Trump. Instead she faceplanted.
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Nov 9, 2016 23:58
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Raskolnikov38 posted:well obamacare picked a great moment to start falling apart Yeah. I think that was a nail in the coffin for Clinton. She defended Obamacare so hard against *any* alternative, but Obamacare is a piece of poo poo for a *lot* of people because of its premiums and sky high deductibles. When things started unraveling even more and Hillary's stance remained DEFEND IT ALL COSTS a lot of poor rural America probably felt she didnt give a poo poo about their day to day lives. AND YES, I KNOW. I KNOW OBAMACARE WAS GREAT FOR SOME PEOPLE! But for a lot of others its a mandatory $200-$500 a month bill that provides garbage insurance that doesn't even kick in until you're $10,000 out of pocket, which is bankruptcy territory anyways. For many people, Obamacare provides no defense against losing everything but still consumes a massive chunk of a family's monthly income for no benefit.
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Nov 10, 2016 00:00
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Helsing posted:What really blows my mind is that Sanders did more than just pack rallies. He raised more than 200 million in funds. He revealed a completely alternative approach to running a national campaign which could have freed the DNC from some of it's sickening dependence on money from corporate interests. Jeb had 150m in December. Bernie raised a lot of money - but it's not a sustainable method for a party that has dozens of candidates on the ballot every 2 years.
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Nov 9, 2016 23:59
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Not a Step posted:Yeah. I think that was a nail in the coffin for Clinton. She defended Obamacare so hard against *any* alternative, but Obamacare is a piece of poo poo for a *lot* of people because of its premiums and sky high deductibles. When things started unraveling even more and Hillary's stance remained DEFEND IT ALL COSTS a lot of poor rural America probably felt she didnt give a poo poo about their day to day lives. She also went after Bernie for daring to support single payer. Obamacare will fail since it depended on the medical insurance and big pharma industry not being profit grabbing dicks.
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Nov 10, 2016 00:01
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TyrantWD posted:Jeb had 150m in December. Bernie raised a lot of money - but it's not a sustainable method for a party that has dozens of candidates on the ballot every 2 years. i mean he was running on getting money out of politics, and some other stuff. so if he got his big ticket item done, it wouldn't have mattered.
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Nov 10, 2016 00:01
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Helsing posted:What really blows my mind is that Sanders did more than just pack rallies. He raised more than 200 million in funds. He revealed a completely alternative approach to running a national campaign which could have freed the DNC from some of it's sickening dependence on money from corporate interests. speaking of monies  $500 million down the toilet
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Nov 10, 2016 00:02
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Unlike Christians, Marxists don't have a canonical text which is considered inerrant & divine. Marxism is a self-critiquing dialectical process which evaluates the failures and successes of existing analysis, and advances new analysis to help realize a revolutionary agenda. If you seriously think 21st century Marxists can't anticipate people choosing a "false consciousness" then you're pig ignorant. Marxists who view foundational texts as dogma are cultists, not serious. I'm not gonna bother getting into another slapfight over Marxism's omniptence with you because it will be neither interesting nor productive
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Nov 10, 2016 00:04
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Not a Step posted:Yeah. I think that was a nail in the coffin for Clinton. She defended Obamacare so hard against *any* alternative, but Obamacare is a piece of poo poo for a *lot* of people because of its premiums and sky high deductibles. When things started unraveling even more and Hillary's stance remained DEFEND IT ALL COSTS a lot of poor rural America probably felt she didnt give a poo poo about their day to day lives. I'm the perfect example of the pros and cons of Obamacare, I'd think. Didn't have to get insurance until I was 26, but when it did, it was just premiums I could barely afford as the insurance I got panicked from red state policies and left the market at the end of this year, hiking my costs along the way. The framing of "America is fine" was the worst decision the DNC could make, and it cost them the election.
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Nov 10, 2016 00:03
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Not a Step posted:Yeah. I think that was a nail in the coffin for Clinton. She defended Obamacare so hard against *any* alternative, but Obamacare is a piece of poo poo for a *lot* of people because of its premiums and sky high deductibles. When things started unraveling even more and Hillary's stance remained DEFEND IT ALL COSTS a lot of poor rural America probably felt she didnt give a poo poo about their day to day lives. to be fair she did say she wanted the public option
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Typo posted:to be fair she did say she wanted the public option yeah, after she was """"""pressured"""""" from the """"""left""""""
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Nov 10, 2016 00:06
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etalian posted:Remember how Hill Bullies argued Hillary deserved unquestioning support since she was the best option to defeat Trump. You're right, next time the GOP nominates a fascist we should undercut the Dem nominee at every turn and see if that works better.
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Nov 10, 2016 00:05
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:yeah, after she was """"""pressured"""""" from the """"""left"""""" her secret speeches also said she wanted UHV 
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mastershakeman posted:economist had a good chart here Holy poo poo these stats. Whites actually had lower turnout for Trump than Romney, but minorities had *higher* turnout for Trump than Romney. Goddamn those racist whites! Also loving lol this was Hillary's election to lose. If she could have gotten Obama level turnout this would have been an absolute blow out. Instead she was complete dogshit and handed the country to Trump. The only demographics where Hillary outperformed Obama are olds, riches, and college educated +. How the poo poo did Hillary acquire a reputation for being an out of touch elitist!?!?!
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Nov 10, 2016 00:07
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PerniciousKnid posted:You're right, next time the GOP nominates a fascist we should undercut the Dem nominee at every turn and see if that works better. maybe next time we won't nominate the worst presidential candidate in american history
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PerniciousKnid posted:You're right, next time the GOP nominates a fascist we should undercut the Dem nominee at every turn and see if that works better. bernie absolutely should have undercut her more because the american people were definitely not tired of her "drat emails" and it's way way better for this poo poo to come out during the primaries than the GE
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Nov 10, 2016 00:08
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PerniciousKnid posted:You're right, next time the GOP nominates a fascist we should undercut the Dem nominee at every turn and see if that works better. LOL at this guy who doesn't think the GOP nominates a fascist every single time.
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Nov 10, 2016 00:07
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:yeah, after she was """"""pressured"""""" from the """"""left"""""" So she caught hell from the left for not being left enough, she shifted left and basically adopted all Bernie's policies, and she still got criticized just as much. This is why Bernie supporters are dumb and worthless.
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Nov 10, 2016 00:08
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PerniciousKnid posted:So she caught hell from the left for not being left enough, she shifted left and basically adopted all Bernie's policies, and she still got criticized just as much. This is why Bernie supporters are dumb and worthless. no it's because the electorate wanted someone "authentic" not someone who triangulates and come across as very very insincere
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PerniciousKnid posted:So she caught hell from the left for not being left enough, she shifted left and basically adopted all Bernie's policies, and she still got criticized just as much. This is why Bernie supporters are dumb and worthless. This line did well for you last night, I'm glad you're sticking with it.
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Nov 10, 2016 00:09
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PerniciousKnid posted:So she caught hell from the left for not being left enough, she shifted left and basically adopted all Bernie's policies, and she still got criticized just as much. This is why Bernie supporters are dumb and worthless. By "adopt" you mean she put them on her website and then never really mentioned them again in her public appearances.
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Nov 10, 2016 00:10
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Raskolnikov38 posted:maybe next time we won't nominate the worst presidential candidate in american history No apparently that's how you win elections now.
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Nov 10, 2016 00:09
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big juicy nectarine posted:LOL at this guy who doesn't think the GOP nominates a fascist every single time. McCain, Romney were not fascists and neither is trump tbh
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Nov 10, 2016 00:10
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PerniciousKnid posted:You're right, next time the GOP nominates a fascist we should undercut the Dem nominee at every turn and see if that works better. maybe not nominate a bad candidate that loses to a cheese flavoured racist. If crazy orange man is yelling "poo poo's hosed" saying "well maybe its not as hosed and furthermore you are a terrible person for thinking it is" might not be the greatest plan
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Nov 10, 2016 00:10
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PerniciousKnid posted:So she caught hell from the left for not being left enough, she shifted left and basically adopted all Bernie's policies, and she still got criticized just as much. This is why Bernie supporters are dumb and worthless. These salt levels... theyre incredible! What does the scouter say? ITS OVER NINE THOUSAND! WHAT NINE THOUSAND!?
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Panzeh posted:By "adopt" you mean she put them on her website and then never really mentioned them again in her public appearances. lol also that
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Not a Step posted:Holy poo poo these stats. If black voters dropped off enough, and it certainly sounds like they did, then the minority % pickup is not a pickup, it's just a smaller pool of voters making the % meaningless.
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Nov 10, 2016 00:11
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Typo posted:no it's because the electorate wanted someone "authentic" not someone who triangulates and come across as very very insincere Absolutely correct. Compromise is dead and American democracy will die with it.
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Nov 10, 2016 00:11
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PerniciousKnid posted:No apparently that's how you win elections now. hillary lost buddy
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Nov 10, 2016 00:11
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PerniciousKnid posted:No apparently that's how you win elections now. Well, Trump can't be the worst Presidential candidate of all time. Because he beat Hillary.
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as a slowly reforming junky the "america is great already" line being garbage is a good point still salty that we have to pander instead of just, you know, supporting better policy positions
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PerniciousKnid posted:You're right, next time the GOP nominates a fascist we should undercut the Dem nominee at every turn and see if that works better. maybe not nominating a cold pants suit wearing technocrat would help.
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