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Good luck getting any kind of settlement from a dang cat.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:I can't wait for touchscreens to be banished in favor of physical knobs and buttons again. They're the worst form of user interface, the only thing they do better than physical components is being able to be dynamically remapped for different usage modes (like on a tablet computer or phone). They make zero sense for appliances that always have the same usage mode. The trend of putting them in cars is so loving irritating. I would like to keep my eyes on the drat road while fiddling with the A/C thanks
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Nuevo posted:Speaking of crappy construction, there's a lawsuit in progress from people whose kitchens have burned down from cats walking on those stove top touchscreen-like buttons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAhHkJQ3KgY
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:I can't wait for touchscreens to be banished in favor of physical knobs and buttons again. They're the worst form of user interface, the only thing they do better than physical components is being able to be dynamically remapped for different usage modes (like on a tablet computer or phone). They make zero sense for appliances that always have the same usage mode. At least in the US, it feels like we are going in the opposite direction. I bought an induction stove last year and wanted physical knobs at least for the 'burner' parts. My choices were extremely limited, at least within my budget range. Seems like there are more options once you commit to spending $4k+, which I wasn't. Samsung is about the only one making them with physical knobs in my price range, so that is what I got despite the negative reputation they have for appliance quality. It has been great so far though, hopefully I don't have to use the extended warranty...
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Computer viking posted:The one argument I've heard for them is that they allow the stovetop to e.g. turn itself off on a timer without having to use a motor to physically turn a knob back to 0. Separate the heat control from the on/off with a tapedeck-style pop-up button. The touchscreen controls on my dishwasher don't even make any sense. The "extra dry" button all the way on the left and the mode, start/pause, and power buttons on the right are touch controls, but there's 5 lights in the middle that display the mode selected. But you have to press the mode button and it cycles through them. And it's all one panel so I don't see why they couldn't have made the middle part touch controls it's so they could save $0.0002 in manufacturing this $300 device  And of course the mode button has a habit of registering double touches, so I have to cycle through the entire list of modes 2 or 3 times to get the one I want.
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Sirotan posted:At least in the US, it feels like we are going in the opposite direction. I bought an induction stove last year and wanted physical knobs at least for the 'burner' parts. My choices were extremely limited, at least within my budget range. Seems like there are more options once you commit to spending $4k+, which I wasn't. Samsung is about the only one making them with physical knobs in my price range, so that is what I got despite the negative reputation they have for appliance quality. It has been great so far though, hopefully I don't have to use the extended warranty... Everyone has a reputation for crappy quality though.
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In theory a touch screen is easy to clean. In reality you push all the buttons at once while cleaning it and your oven is set to 9000 Rankine, has a timer going off every 10 minutes for the next 24h, and everything is in Chinese.
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Guy Axlerod posted:In theory a touch screen is easy to clean. In reality you push all the buttons at once while cleaning it and your oven is set to 9000 Rankine, has a timer going off every 10 minutes for the next 24h, and everything is in Chinese. It took a long time for me to figure out that the “Clean” button on the touch screen of my heat pump wasn’t some weird function but just disables the touch screen temporarily for cleaning it.
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HappyHippo posted:The trend of putting them in cars is so loving irritating. I would like to keep my eyes on the drat road while fiddling with the A/C thanks My new (used) car is a base trim model specifically because the AC and radio were knobs and single function buttons. Adjusting the air can be done with zero distraction, vs. a Tesla or other car with a touchscreen of bullshit where you need to take your eyes off the road for 5+ seconds to navigate to the Climate Control menu.
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:My new (used) car is a base trim model specifically because the AC and radio were knobs and single function buttons. Adjusting the air can be done with zero distraction, vs. a Tesla or other car with a touchscreen of bullshit where you need to take your eyes off the road for 5+ seconds to navigate to the Climate Control menu. Wait until you see the new iteration of this bullshit, where you have to use a touch screen to redirect the air vents inside the cabin.
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Nitrox posted:Wait until you see the new iteration of this bullshit, where you have to use a touch screen to redirect the air vents inside the cabin. Is this an actual thing? I can't imagine that having to motorize all of the vents and write the UI for controlling them is better than the existing alternative.
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Or turn signals on a touch screen.
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Computer viking posted:The one argument I've heard for them is that they allow the stovetop to e.g. turn itself off on a timer without having to use a motor to physically turn a knob back to 0. Capacitive touch buttons exist primarily because they're cheaper while simultaneously feeling more "high tech" to a consumer sitting in the car at the dealer.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:I can't wait for touchscreens to be banished in favor of physical knobs and buttons again. They're the worst form of user interface, the only thing they do better than physical components is being able to be dynamically remapped for different usage modes (like on a tablet computer or phone). They make zero sense for appliances that always have the same usage mode. This has been a recent thing in the automotive world at least. I can’t find the article but some high end trucks still have the touchscreen, but do have more mechanical switches kreeningsons fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Mar 20, 2024 |
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Frankly it seems like some corners could be cut by removing the touchscreens and just making you use your phone to control the car since you already have the app. The same goes with your stove naturally. You can then go to toilet and still control temperatures! And it's cat safe.
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Mar 20, 2024 21:27
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Computer viking posted:The one argument I've heard for them is that they allow the stovetop to e.g. turn itself off on a timer without having to use a motor to physically turn a knob back to 0. Who cares if the knob position matches? Interrupt the power to the burner and don’t reconnect it till the knob rests in the “off” indent.
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Nuevo posted:Speaking of crappy construction, there's a lawsuit in progress from people whose kitchens have burned down from cats walking on those stove top touchscreen-like buttons. Likely lawsuits coming also for stove manufacturers with low front knobs that cause fires when the family dog decides to go 'counter cruising' and drags their front paws across the knobs while trying to get up on the counters. The knob detents are so weak that this action is able to spin the knobs and activate the burners. The last major fire I investigated, the insureds were nearing the end of a major kitchen remodel and had boxes of stuff sitting on the glass top of the stove. They had never used it yet. They came back from a shopping trip to find the kitchen aflame. 3D Megadoodoo posted:Good luck getting any kind of settlement from a dang cat. We're going after the stove manufacturer in subrogation. The fire cause & origin guy I sent out said it was the 6th or 7th he'd seen in 2023. PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Mar 20, 2024 |
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Nenonen posted:Frankly it seems like some corners could be cut by removing the touchscreens and just making you use your phone to control the car since you already have the app. God, please no. Just make a loving physical UI on the loving appliance. Y'all don't need to spy on when I'm cooking my chicken nuggets or whatever.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:God, please no. Just make a loving physical UI on the loving appliance. Y'all don't need to spy on when I'm cooking my chicken nuggets or whatever. Oh, alright then. I just thought that putting knobs on phones would pose problems when you put them in your jeans pocket, but whatever. Honestly though, modern fridges with WiFi connectivity are just so obvious vectors for cyber attacks that I don't see how any sane person would pay extra for that attribute. It's not like I need to update the firmware of my milk and sausages. I could see the use in an industrial setting where you get a better interface to control and supervise temperatures, but for consumers? And any oven that could be hacked through the internet is just  in the waiting.
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Nenonen posted:Oh, alright then. I just thought that putting knobs on phones would pose problems when you put them in your jeans pocket, but whatever. IT Security 2024: My Toaster joined a Botnet.
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Nenonen posted:Oh, alright then. I just thought that putting knobs on phones would pose problems when you put them in your jeans pocket, but whatever. Someone mentioned one time it would be useful for seeing that your fridge has malfunctioned and your freezer full of frozen poo poo is thawing. So in theory you might be able to take off from wherever you are and save a few hundred bucks worth of food or something. Otherwise yeah, it seems like a bad idea.
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Platystemon posted:Who cares if the knob position matches? The knob doesn't even need to have a position, it can just be a rotary control which changes the number on an LCD. Both the climate knobs in my car are like this and honestly it works better because the knobs are way down by the ashtray but they change the fan speed/temperature display on the dash, and I can also still feel how many clicks I turned the knob. TooMuchAbstraction posted:Is this an actual thing? I can't imagine that having to motorize all of the vents and write the UI for controlling them is better than the existing alternative. It's so they can sell adjustable vents as a DLC option.
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Touchscreens can be a prefab component you slap in there and also appeal to consumers as being fancy.
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PainterofCrap posted:Likely lawsuits coming also for stove manufacturers with low front knobs that cause fires when the family dog decides to go 'counter cruising' and drags their front paws across the knobs while trying to get up on the counters. The knob detents are so weak that this action is able to spin the knobs and activate the burners. Great now I have to turn the whole thing off at the isolation panel whenever I leave the house. I'm actually going to see how it handles casual contact, it'll beep if something is left on it (sometimes), but I wonder what it's calibrated for in terms of touch. The other thing here is of course, a child such as mine running their hand along the top of the counter and touching the controls. Though I'm not generally in the habit of leaving them home alone aged 3.
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It looks like Euro NCAP (a private nonprofit that scores cars on safety, a la the NHTSA) is looking at touch screens - I can't find anything official from them, but reporting ranges from "they'll dock points if you don't have physical knobs" to "common tasks must be easy and fast, but theoretically a good touchscreen UI with a dedicated fixed-function area could qualify". For a taste, this is a LinkedIn post from three weeks ago: Matthew Avery, Director of Strategic Development Euro NCAP posted:Bring Back Buttons. Euro NCAP was a guest on the couch for BBC Breakfast in sunny Salford this morning talking about the over reliance on screens in the latest cars. So we’re working with manufacturers to encourage the safest cars to Bring Back Buttons. Distraction crashes are in the increase and big touch screens encouraged distracted driving. And every car is different so you it can be like learning to drive all over again. In 2026 Euro NCAP will introduce new assessments of vehicle HMI and we’re working with the industry to make driving safer. I also found a year-old article in The Telegraph you may also find interesting: We all know touch screens are dangerous – so why are we all still using them?, (archive.org mirror) quote:Distraction is speed over time quote:From 2026, Euro NCAP testing will take into account the design and layout of dashboard controls in assessing cars. Touchscreens are a big part of this, meaning that – to some extent – cars could be marked down for having tricky infotainment systems.
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As for the stoves, wouldn't induction tops somewhat reduce the risk here? Turning one to max power without a suitable lump of metal on top shouldn't really do anything. Not a solution for everyone, and there's obvious remaining risks (e.g. "I left a pot to cool on the stove"), but at least it won't set fire to any cardboard boxes or babies that get on top of it.
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Computer viking posted:It looks like Euro NCAP (a private nonprofit that scores cars on safety, a la the NHTSA) is looking at touch screens - I can't find anything official from them, but reporting ranges from "they'll dock points if you don't have physical knobs" to "common tasks must be easy and fast, but theoretically a good touchscreen UI with a dedicated fixed-function area could qualify". This is good news! Here's hoping they get enough teeth behind their recommendations for carmakers to actually change their approach.
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Our Mazda has the One Giant Knob input and it is fantastic. When we bought our house, it had an induction range with a touch panel and I always locked the controls because of the cats walking across it. The insane orange cat, who is dumb as a rock, somehow figured out how to hold down the lock button in order to unlock it and play with the sounds. This problem resolved itself when we replaced it with gas, which the cat can't operate and has not managed to self-immolate.
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I think you'll find a stove knob can also be accidentally activated, as demonstrated 1 minute into this totally realistic public service announcement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVTBx8H4QDg&t=60s edit: Success! Cat Hatter fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Mar 21, 2024 |
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Sash! posted:Our Mazda has the One Giant Knob input and it is fantastic. I miss that in my Tesla 
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Tesla opted for the One Giant Knob owner instead.
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Aww, man. I was about to make that joke
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Hispanic! At The Disco posted:Tesla opted for the One Giant Knob owner instead.
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We have touch controls on our induction stove. Something unspecified (but possibly, and horrifyingly, mice eating the wiring) happened and it started to malfunction. I searched for a repair company that knew about newfangled stoves, got a guy who absolutely did not. Twelve hours later he's still in my house crying and on hold with stove tech support. I paid him to please leave and have a pleasant life far away from my stove. Next guys did know what they were doing, mostly. They managed to get the stove top working again. Except that now all the burner controls have an off-by-one error. After several hours of them trying to fix that and on hold with stove tech support I also paid them to leave and now we just live like this.
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Wood swelling? Skill issue.
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Why the two knobs on the door? I get the bottom looks a little busted, but it has to be easier to badly fix or replace than to install a new door knob in a different spot.
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Orvin posted:Why the two knobs on the door? I get the bottom looks a little busted, but it has to be easier to badly fix or replace than to install a new door knob in a different spot. I think those older knobs use different sized holes so it might have been easier for them to drill a hole in fresh wood to keep the holesaw from wandering then left the old knob to cover the hole. Probably worked until that old knob started to droop  .
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