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Hmm, wrote some comments about those two commentary videos. Though I mostly repeat the same ideas. http://loopingworld.com/2013/04/25/evangelion-as-postmodern-opera/ For me it's even more explicit, since Anno definitely intended Shinji representing himself, the otaku culture, as well the general audience, so the interplay of all these parts was always the main core of the show. The neat idea is seeing the TV ending and theatrical one as not simply two halves of the same conclusion, but as two alternate and opposite worlds. One as an happy end, the other where Anno answers the way his fans received his work and fully unleashes on them with all his rage (remember the scene at the end of the movie that shows a movie theater with people protesting, and it ends with Anno metaphorically "erasing" all humanity). So yeah, End of Evangelion is a giant "gently caress YOU ALL".
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Because the end of EoE is not "judgmental". Shinji isn't condemned, but certainly he doesn't overcome his problems as it happens in the TV show. If you have a link try finding the short interview with Tsurumaki in the Red Book or something like that. Where he explains that in the end the outcome is "fine" anyway. It's simply a sad end because Shinji fails, but this failure is still accepted. It's a compassionate ending, if you want, but it's still a failure. EDIT: found it: http://www.evaotaku.com/html/rcb-tsurumaki.html quote:-- At the end of this movie, Shinji seems to have reached a sort of settlement regarding troubles of the heart. Abalieno fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Apr 25, 2013 |
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I'm trying to figure out if the subs I have to the main series are from Platinum or Renewal, could anyone point a difference between the two so I can compare?
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Yes, but are they different from previous versions? The ones I have have that same line. I wonder why the TV series hasn't been re-released in BD yet. Is there some sort of embargo? Everything else got a BD release.
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ultimatemegax posted:We could see a possible JP BD release in 2015 to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the series and the fact that it's the setting's year as well. At which point they'll realize the anime industry peaked with Eva, and only went downhill since  Really, it's quite something if you rewatch the first three episodes of Eva and compare to stuff like Valvrave or Gargantia.
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I was browsing the articles on that page and noticed this: "Humanity has reached its evolutionary limit. Their salvation lies in invoking the Human Instrumentality Project." Like with the "A.T. Field" which is a direct translation of a Kabbalistic principle that is called "the breaking of the vessel", this line is also a translation of another Kabbalistic idea. Kabbalah also says we're just about at that evolutionary limit (going trough a cycle of "desire": still -> vegetative -> animate -> speaking, each holding within recursively the same four phases, and we are one step before the final), and they actively push to what is ideally the same of the Instrumentality Project. In their case this simply means a spiritual awakening, but it is also done by merging spirits. In fact it's something you simply can't achieve on your own. So, as in Evangelion, there's both this idea that we are exactly at the evolutionary limit AND the fact that this next level requires a novel form of merging spirituality. So once again Evangelion is merely taking Kabbalistic texts and make them LITERAL. In Kabbalah there's this idea of "breaking the physical vessel" in order to break one's personal "egoism" that keeps us as separate living beings, and in Evangelion they literally make people melt into a worldwide LCL triggered by Shinji's instrumentality. I was even thinking that the idea of cyclical time loops is a Kabbalistic one, but while Kabbalah has the idea of repeating cycles, these aren't directly in the form of the exact same events. So in this case the analogy isn't as precise. P.S. The first link coming up about the breaking of the vessel (even if it doesn't explain it so well) contains this, and you could as well read it as if it's talking about Eva: quote:Nevertheless, the Breaking of the Vessels is a truly cataclysmic event. Will, Wisdom and Understanding remain, but all other values, particularly those embodied in the cultural and symbolic order of mankind, have been shattered. Further, while certain forms (may) remain, their embodiment in matter, is chaotic and confused. The Breaking of the Vessels is, according to the Lurianic Kabbalah, a clearing of the decks, a fresh start, and a challenge to the structures that we equate with our own civilized life. It is, in short, an eruption of chaos into the heart of our spiritual, conceptual, moral and psychological structures. It's like it's talking about EoE final scenes after the literal breaking of the human vessels into LCL. Abalieno fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Apr 26, 2013 |
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House Louse posted:Interesting coincidences but t doesn't tell us anything and there's no evidence of intent. I don't know. I can pile A LOT of evidence. For example Adam, as the idea of a body generating all other humanity (like the Adam on the cross in Nerv's basement) is exactly the Kabbalistic Adam Kadmon shown literally. See how down the trunk there are legs as if human shapes come right out of Admam's body? In Kabbalah the idea is that all human beings are chunks taken away from the same collective soul (in fact the idea that human beings on earth increase in number means that each piece is getting smaller, our souls are getting literally thinner), and Adam Kadmon represents the spiritual unity from where everything was generated. In Kabbalah Adam is not the "first man", but the spiritual body that was shattered in pieces to create all humanity as separate beings. The unity of all human beings IS Adam Kadmon. And that's the idea you have represented in Eva, or at least the one suggested by that image. quote:Can you give a Kabbalistic source for AT field though? I don't have anything direct. I just know they have this ideas of "egoism" that keeps people as individual beings. By the way, the Dead Sea Scrolls in Eva mythology (which represent the totality of Torah, in our reality) are considered as a kind of tech manual to jumpstart Instrumentality. This is in Kabbalah myth too. Kabbalah's texts are considered nothing more than instruction manuals for spirituality. They contain the metaphoric "ladder" that you need to climb to reawaken some spiritual hundreds of senses, one by one. Abalieno fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Apr 26, 2013 |
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House Louse posted:Also, take a look at the OP and the big page of interviews. Ctrl+f for Kabbalah, qabalah, cabala... no results. Yes, but the "tree of life" is literally the first thing shown in the OP. Many terms are from Kabbalah and the final development coincides. I simply think Anno decided to weave the fictional layer within the myth of Kabbalah simply because it's a good tool to examine the internal conflict. quote:Authorial intent isn't worth much to me, but the correspondences with Judiasm are weak to me, in the sense that they're vague and don't tell me anything. What do they tell you that you can't see elsewhere in the series/films? Are you saying there that Eva's a spiritual instrustion manual? If so, what does it say? In Kabbalah they take what you consider the modern "Bible" as a purely symbolic text. This means that everything you read isn't directly what it is, but stands for something else entirely. It's nothing but a code (while most people read it for what it seems, literally). This is what they call "language of root and branches" (inverted tree). The roots are the spiritual ideas, the branches are the objects in our real world. So a "car" is an object that used in a Kabbalistic text simply symbolizes something completely different. This kind of trick is the actual substance of Eva. There's a fictional layer of these kids fighting with giant robots against aliens. And then there's a "message", where the angels instead represent insurmountable difficulties of adult lives. If your focus stays on the fictional layer, then you miss most of the actual cause/effect that builds the show. you need to peel off that fictional layer so that you can get to the good stuff in Eva. And that's what they did with the last episode, though it pissed off most of the fans. Abalieno fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Apr 27, 2013 |
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FYI the UTW-THORA release is out. At least in 1080p, other versions will require more time.
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is the 10 minutes live action thing available somewhere on its own?
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"State of the art" media player configuration, on PC, is: - MPC-HC 32 bit (do not use 64bit) http://xhmikosr.1f0.de/mpc-hc/ - madVR render http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=146228 - LAV Video/Audio+ splitter decoders http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=156191 These three need some configuring but it's the best quality around. madVR may be optional since it can be heavy on its own. Or you can use a package that contains the same: http://haruhichan.com/forum/showthread.php?7545-KCP-Kawaii-Codec-Pack
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Nate RFB posted:I would have figured it would just stutter if it was choking my CPU rather than throw in artifacts. I wonder if it's a CoreAVC feature. It's possible, I don't remember if CoreAVC supports H10 decoding. Anyway, CoreAVC isn't anymore the best option, so use LAV: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=156191
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tooooooo bad posted:That long crazy pan with the tower or whatever. The apocalypse sure is pretty. From my point of view it's just a playful representation of the link between the white and black moon. Evangelion reprises the scientific idea that the Moon is actually made of material that came from Earth when a huge asteroid hit it. So you see the triangular thing that looks like the moon, and is up there in the sky. In Eva this asteroid isn't natural, but artificial, so making it triangular simply enhances the impression it's a thing that was built. And then you see deep down into earth, where the actual core of the asteroid was embedded, and that contained the seed of the Angels. So the link represents the ideal one between Angels and human beings. Though it's likely that they mixed more than one idea on that image, and so this is only part of it.
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House Louse posted:But the reasons Shinji might decide to go with Instrumentality aren't positive. They're fear of other people, inability to socialise, and inability to cope with the pain of living with other people - it's pure escapism. But the worst reason is that Instrumentality means destroying yourself; you have to regard your whole life and everyone you know as meaningless. Shinji's last words in the series, when he rejects Instrumentality, are "I think I can learn to love myself." Instrumentality is a total inability to love yourself. In Kabbalistic terms Instrumentality happens a moment after you've solved that class of personal problems. That's also why in EoE Instrumentality "fails". It's like Shinji is not ready, and so the process doesn't go through. Again in Kabbalistic terms, that global merging doesn't happen because we're constantly pulled back by immediate necessities and desires. "Egoism", as self-focused love and desire, is what keeps us as singular entities and away from "god". So, in this perspective, Instrumentality is not "destroying yourself", but abandoning the worldy necessities, desire for money, power, social status and so on. Ultimately leading to the loss of individuality. So, even for Kabbalah, there's sacrifice involved in the process, but it's about sacrificing all that ballast that keeps us away from the "light". Self absorbed love is what makes one grasp power for himself and enslave everyone else, that's the apex of that trajectory. Thinking that your personal advantage is preferable to the advantage of a community. So from this perspective forcing Instumentality has no consequence, as it is shown in EoE. Because that kind of process has to be prepared beforehand. If Shinji is not ready for that kind of sacrifice then it means the "egoism" is still there, pulling him back to the previous state. And so the "evolution" won't go through even if triggered artificially, since Instumentality doesn't actually complement anything. This is the overall logic, and it applies perfectly, in its metaphoric meaning, to EoE. We'll see how they'll use this idea in these new movies. Abalieno fucked around with this message at 01:33 on May 1, 2013 |
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Besides, that solution works in all possible levels of interpretation. The ending of the TV series represented the ideal of the story Anno wanted to tell. It represents Anno's wish and desire: that Instrumentality works and Shinji fixes his issues because the message of the series itself was understood. But then the sequel movies became for Anno a way to THINK on the series itself and its message. They become meta-commentary: whether or not the message actually was understood and worked. On BOTH levels, it didn't. The message failed if you think about the public's reaction (the message of the show). And then Anno realized that Shinji also wasn't ready for Instrumentality. He wasn't through his personal issues, as shown in EoE before Instrumentality. His character didn't grow, it actually regressed. Hence the acknowledgement that the TV series "happy end" on one side wasn't possible because rejected by the public, and then Anno made that into the truth of the story. As with the public, Shinji wasn't ready for Instrumentality. This because the whole point of Eva is: Anno = Shinji = public (or nerds/otakus who can identify with Shinji, see Tsurumaki who literally says "it’s useless for non-anime fans to watch it") Or, if you want: God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit(LCL) Abalieno fucked around with this message at 01:50 on May 1, 2013 |
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Nope. In episode 26 Instrumentality is definitely successful. People clapping hands at the end. You can, if you want, REINTERPRET that ending with EoE in mind to try to make them the same, but it's extremely obvious that as far as episode 26 is concerned Shinji doesn't refuse anything and doesn't go against anything. Nor in the movie you see people coming up to congratulate for his choice. You need a giant hammer to put the movies and the TV series ending together. I know people desire this, but it's extremely obvious that Anno changed his mind between the TV series and the movies. Negating this would actually negating the interesting part in those movies.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:The only thing 25 and 26 say is "This is Instrumentality." Whether it's succesful or not is extremely open to interpretation, especially when you consider its similarity to all the other hallucinatory sequences in the original series. (Which often lie, disguise one character as another, or serve to guide Shinji towards some ulterior conclusion.) Nope. The idea in 26 is that Instrumentality is successful. The idea in EoE, at the very least, is that Instrumentality is artificially forced by Seele, and then disrupted by Shinji. You can then "retcon" 26 saying that 26 shows what happened in EoE. But this idea wasn't part of the original intent with the show, and the result of Anno's further elaborations and personal experience. To assume that Anno didn't change his mind and wasn't affected by the reaction of the public (and so putted all that in his work on EoE) is about NEGATING the only absolute certainty about all this. We know Anno had a breakdown after he put everything in the TV show, and we know that his stance changed greatly afterwards. If your theory doesn't acknowledge how much Anno changed in the process then it's like studying classic literature without knowing anything about history, cultural context and everything else. This refusal on Shinji's part is non-existent in the TV series. While it is obvious in EoE. You can interpret it how you want, but it is a fact that the element is present in EoE and absent in 26.
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HoneyBoy posted:I don't see how you can say Instrumentality was successful in the TV series and that Shinji did nothing to refuse it. I mean the ending has the scene crack into pieces (the scene in which he was sitting alone in an empty room) and behind it we see all the important people in his life (other people, not an amalgamation of human existence). Shinji confronting his own sense of self and validating his individuality and self-worth and maybe even learning to love himself seems like flat-out rejection of instrumentality, I think. He all at once accepts responsibility for his own life and the consequence it has on those around him. No. It's a rejection of instrumentality as it is described in EoE, but someone who doesn't watch the movie doesn't have any idea of "rejection". This is a rationalization you make AFTER watching the movies. If you don't see the movies the message is that what is being shown is exactly how Instrumentality works. It's the idea of what Instrumentality actually IS that changes between TV and movies.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Well, that's fine then. I don't know nearly enough about Kabbalah to compare it directly to anything, I'm just going by Abalieno's description which seems to lack the crucial "recreation of the self" part. (Or perhaps I'm misinterpreting him with respect to that.) The goal of Kabbalah (and it's really a goal) is reunion with God. So there's absolutely no recreation of the self in Kabbalah. It's not about individuality at all. In fact the fascinating thing about Kabbalah is that it considers physical reality completely "fake". It's like the Matrix. Everything you see is an illusion. I've given this link before: http://www.perceivingreality.com/ (btw, tell me if this video doesn't look very like episode 26, and you're seeing Kabbalah Instrumentality) Which is also why Kabbalah doesn't tell you to pray, or to eat or not eat certain things, or anything else. Physical reality for them is pointless, so they are uninterested in it. Obviously Kabbalah is only useful to interpret Evangelion when things are similar. In some cases they are, in others it's obvious that Anno turned things in other directions. So the Kabbalistic Instrumentaly doesn't have to be the same. I simply used it to explain those parts that make sense in Eva. Above I wrote the truth of Eva, which is the three centers of Anno, Shinji and public. Everything else is consequence. Abalieno fucked around with this message at 06:25 on May 1, 2013 |
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:You did; I didn't remember it was you. Well, it's not like episode 26 isn't creepy. But then you have to consider this is a very "consolatory" vision (as pretty much all religions). In fact I don't personally believe in Kabbalah because I'm sure the truth is much, much, much worse (and in this case I'd point you to R. Scott Bakker books, but it's not pertinent here, though there's a thread in this forum, in the book section).
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Evangelion draws the opposite conclusion of that video. This is true regardless of whether we're talking about episode 26 or EoE; episode 26 presents a return to egoism in triumphant, upbeat terms and EoE is much more brutal about the remaining difficulties, but in neither case is the return to individuality a failure. The style and point of Instrumentality are similar. That video uses similar patterns than those used in episode 26. Some of the language is similar. Obviously the final goal is thematically different because the point of Evangelion, very obviously, isn't spirituality. Or we would argue that Eva was built with proselytism in mind. "Return to individuality" in EoE is a failure simply because it doesn't accomplishes Instrumentality. It's not a moral judgment, it's simply a matter of fact that Shinji refused it. In episode 26 Shinji went all the way through, because Instrumentality at that point was merely the positive process. The negative/amoral theme of losing individuality is something new in EoE, it wasn't there before.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:How do you know it didn't? Instrumentality is the process, not the result. As I said, the movie didn't give me this idea. Shinji stops the process (because not ready). I don't think the stopping of the process was intended by it. In the context of EoE Instrumentality doesn't happen. Even the wiki says something like this: quote:In Instrumentality, the flaws in every living being would be complemented by the strengths in others, thus erasing the insecurities in people's hearts. Since it doesn't happen, it means that Instrumentality wasn't completed. So it "fails", I say.
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I think to consider there's also the fact that Anno got less involved with EoE. In the end the project was carried over by his staff. Following Anno's direction, sure, but it's possible that the EoE was reworked. So the fact is that the TV is Anno 100%, the movies are about Anno in a different state. So it's pointless to search for an unambiguous explanation because EoE was produced in ambiguous times.
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MadRhetoric posted:Where Abalone's logic falls apart is that Shinji's final affirmation is one of discovering self-love, which kind of shits on the Kabbalistic idea of Shinji achieving oneness with God through submission to/subsumption by God. But that's not what I said. Kabbalah isn't a theme of Evangelion, it's just a structure that enables a certain introspection. Evangelion's goal isn't "spirituality" and so in Evangelion's Instrumentality the relationship with god isn't a theme at all. Once again, I've said that Eva's central theme is the holy trinity: Anno, Shinji, the audience. All themes converge on those three. Where's the god? Nowhere. The god is merely the introspective lens of analysis. Evangelion is not (and the staff affirmed as much) a religious idea. The show is not about god. Kabbalah is just a pattern or a mean. In true Kabbalah the goal is spirituality. In Evangelion, it's self discovery or whatever.
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Has anyone considered how the Angels are designed to suck? They have always very blatant weakness and every new angel doesn't really learn anything from the previous attack. This is actually a cliche in the giant robot genre, but Evangelion embraced it fully. Even Gendo's behavior of total faith on the Eva is almost a side-effect. As if he knows that the Angels are designed to be defeated and there's no way for Eva to fail.
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Question, I'm rewatching the original series and about to reach the director's cuts. Should I watch first the standard version or the DC simply add material and so I'm not losing anything by watching the DC only?
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I'm watching episode 25 again and enjoying the meta-fictional level. Here's the mindfuck (if the end of TV wasn't enough of it already): On one side there's a very manifest subversion on a Kabbalistic idea. Kabbalah says that at the maximum of evolution (as we are today) human beings reach the maximum of their desires. And yet they feel a "lack" that pushes them toward "spirituality", which is the sublimation of desire and the consequent breach of the physical world as we know it. They call this feel as "the point in the heart", which is the mechanic used by Nature to push us toward it, or otherwise we wouldn't progress further and stop evolving. In Kabbalah evolution is guided by desire. In Evangelion there's the exact same concept. The setting explicitly mentions that it portrays humans at their evolutionary peak. The Longinus lance in the TV series is retrieved from the South Pole and thrust by Rei into Lilith in order to temporarily BLOCK the final evolution. When Gendo decides to speed up again the process, Rei pulls the Lance away, and we see Lilith starting to regenerate. When Kaworu meets Lilith, we see her having a swollen belly, all probably hinting that a "birth" was near. In this case this birth is the symbol of the next step on the evolutionary ladder (like in Kabbalah). Now in episode 25, all this is made quite explicit. Instead of calling it "point in the heart", Eva directly refers to "the void in the heart". But its purpose is equivalent. These are exact quotes from the show: "There is always a void, a part that has been lost in our hearts. That is what gives rise to the hunger in our hearts That's why you're going to bundle all human souls together," And: "That was the beginning of the instrumentality of people" Even in Evangelion there's this "lack" that, as in Kabbalah, is meant to push human beings toward "instrumentality". Both in Eva and Kabbalah, the lack in the heart is the Natural instinct that drives human beings toward the next evolutionary level. The second level of this mindfuck is instead related to Anno and the final part of episode 25. What the characters tell Shinji is that the world he sees is EXACTLY the world he "willed". That everything goes accordingly to his own desires and that this is just one of many possible futures (which also connects to the Rebuild as being "sequels"). Quoting again: "There are a lot of realities. This is one of them. This is the result you wished for. Yes, annihilation, a world where no one is saved. This is reality. It's your own world where you coexist with time, space, and other people. It's a world where you yourself decide how to perceive and accept it. Right now, this is your world, where everything is given to you. You're saying even this darkness and this world of half measures are all things I wished for? That's right. This is one of the many ends that could occur." Now consider the relationship I underlined in the past. God, his son, and Holy Spirit. Anno, Shinji, the audience. Anno is the "god", because he writes the reality of his fiction. He writes the show, the characters, the setting. So, being "outside" of his creation, he has god-like powers. In Christianity the dogma of the Holy Trinity says that each is essentially the same. God imposed on itself human limits and became Jesus in the physical reality. You can read that the "heavenly Son reflected his Father's qualities and personality". Anno writes Shinji as if he writes himself within the boundaries of the story. Shinji is Anno in the story, effectively his incarnation, with the limited powers as every other fictional characters. It's like if there's an opaque dome that covers the fictional layer, and so Shinji doesn't know that "outside" there's an Anno who's writing it in his liking. He is like Anno, but he's subject to the rules of the story. Can't escape them or transcend his condition, and has to suffer like every other human being (like Jesus). And then there's the audience. The audience is the singular "you" who watches the show and that can identify with Shinji, as well it represents the multitude of all spectators. The same as the Holy Spirit represents the "you", as well as the rest of humanity sharing it. Shinji is the mediator between god and audience. The same as Jesus brought on earth the message of God. The message of god is Anno's vision, and we become one with it because we identify with Shinji, and so "complement" with him (and so with god too). Now reread that last quote while having this context in mind. The "reality" Shinji lives in, IS effectively decided by him, because it's the Shinji-Anno who's writing it. He's effectively, literally the god of his world. He just doesn't know because there's the opaque dome that doesn't let him transcend his dimension. Yet Shinji is one with Anno, he "reflects his Father's qualities and personality". He's his own creation, on which Anno has total control. And so perpetuating the fact that this world follows EXACTLY the will of his heart. Just that hidden part of his heart that is concealed from him, because it belongs to Anno himself.
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bof_man posted:Second is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the divinity of God and Jesus made manifest as a third entity. I was taught that it is often linked with divine inspiration, revelations, prophecies and other internal divine events. It was received by Paul and the founders of the first Church to help them shape it, and to guide them in their ordeals. We don't, in any way, shape, or form guide Shinji through his development. It just doesn't add up with what you wrote. You misunderstand me. I don't think at all that Anno had the Trinity in his mind. The analogy works because it's implicit in this type of metafiction. Even Toliken talked about the relationship between art and God. What is true is that Eva has a trinity: Anno - Shinji - audience. We know for sure that Shinji represents Anno in the anime and that the whole thing is a very personal story. And we know that Evangelion wants the "anime fan" to identify with Shinji. So everything I've said about god and his creation, about incarnation and about the message, is all stuff that applies directly to Eva. This is how Eva is conceived and how it works. THEN I simply made a parallel to the Holy Trinity. It's not stuff that Anno directly referred to or thought about, it's just that this type of work is very close with religion regardless of intention. The patterns are similar. And then the Holy Spirit is omnipresent in all of us. It's not like it arrives and goes away as it wants. In the parallel to Eva I simply meant it as the device through which comprehension works. In religion the message is spirituality, in Eva the message is Anno's own. But in both cases the message works through "empathy". By connecting with Shinji, or by connecting to your own spirituality (and so the Holy Spirit) in Christianity. In fact the Holy Spirit can only guide you if you listen to it. By listening to your "inner heart". It's simply a way of connecting.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:In that scene, she's in a coma, which is pretty much the most naked and literal version of "don't perv on someone who's totally passive and helpless." Like when you watch porn?
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I simply mean that even in "porn" the image you are watching is "passive and helpless". If Shinji was watching the image of a naked Asuka, or directly herself naked this wouldn't be a real difference. He isn't "guilty" of having produced the image (since it's not like he pulled Asuka shirt off himself), just of having "seen" it. Say Asuka was a very sexy classmate of yours. And that in some way you were able to peek at her when she was naked. Would you really have suddenly looked elsewhere to respect her privacy, or simply kept looking if you knew she wouldn't notice? So I don't see any "guilt" in that scene. What's wrong with it is that Shinji does it right there in front of her, and it's creepy and disgusting, but not particularly something to be blamed for. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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bof_man posted:Do the concepts "consent" and "underage" mean anything to you guys ? Just saying. What about "classmates" and "same age"? You think a 14 years old can't see a 14 years old girl naked because she's UNDERAGE? Consent isn't the point since Shinji didn't drill a hole in a shower to see a girl naked. The girl simply turned on her own and suddenly BOOBS. It's an incident and can happen to anyone. Consent would be the issue if Shinji himself pulled at Asuka's shirt to get her naked. But he doesn't.
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SHISHKABOB posted:I thought he was tugging at her saying "help me Asuka" and got progressively more violent as he sank into freak-out land and then tugged a bit too hard and oh hey there. Then my bad. I didn't remember correctly the scene.
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Eva is SCIENCE. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130604153520.htm "Life-Producing Phosphorus Carried to Earth by Meteorites" http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130404122234.htm "Origin of Life: Power Behind Primordial Soup Discovered"
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