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Seshoho Cian posted:The Lawnmower Man? Yeah that's what I was going to say. They took a 2 page short story about a guy who can telekinetically control a lawnmower and turned it into a techno Flowers for Algernon remake. With lovely 1992 CGI.
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LibbyM posted:A grand total of one character from the book appears at all (Rita), and even than a lot of Rita's story and significant parts of her character are completely changed. Almost nothing that happens in the books happens in the movie, beyond: Keiji/Cage kills a server/alpha, relives the same battle a lot, gets better at fighting over time. Liked the exoskeletons and the mimics more in the manga, but the movie has a happier ending. If you liked the movie or hate the movie and you want more, go read the manga "All you need is kill". There is only 14? chapters and they go fast, drink some coffee or smoke through it and enjoy it. A good amount of the variables made it into the movie and I wouldn't say one is better than the other. Really you are saying they only kept 1 character when the manga only focuses on 2 for the majority of it? I would say the supporting cast gets more screen time in the movie than the manga. I would be more likely to have the movie on in the background than reread the whole manga again in any case. Tenzarin fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Sep 22, 2014 |
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Be warned that the original is incredibly anime. The only characters who get descriptions are the female characters, the bulk of whom are goofy anime stereotypes and have more lines dedicated to their boob size than most of the male supporting cast gets period. Despite that I like some of what it does better than the Cruise version although some things are worse too. (I think Rita is just kind of a legitimately better character in the novel despite being the most anime person ever.)
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# ? Sep 23, 2014 00:02 |
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^^ Yah, the novel isn't great or anything, deffinitly some creepy passages about women. Cruise's cowardly officer character in the movie was actually a better character than Keiji too. The amount of humor in the movie is good too, where the novel was pretty much humorless. The main things I liked more about the novel were that Rita was a significantly better character, and that the stuff about servers and antenna were a lot better than having the omega. The Omega only exists in the movie to have an easy ultimate solution that can be quickly wrapped up in a movie. While the Novel's ending was rushed as hell, and could have done with probably another few pages to actually set up properly, it felt a lot more natural to me. As natural as it could be in a crazy time travelish sci-fi story. The last few post battle pages are much better than the post omega sequence. The novel also has a couple sequences where the Mimics actually adept based on their information from the previous days. Most notably Day 2, and the final day. I can't remember if that was ever really a thing in the movie. Tenzarin posted:Liked the exoskeletons and the mimics more in the manga, but the movie has a happier ending. If you liked the movie or hate the movie and you want more, go read the manga "All you need is kill". There is only 14? chapters and they go fast, drink some coffee or smoke through it and enjoy it. A good amount of the variables made it into the movie and I wouldn't say one is better than the other. Really you are saying they only kept 1 character when the manga only focuses on 2 for the majority of it? I would say the supporting cast gets more screen time in the movie than the manga. I would be more likely to have the movie on in the background than reread the whole manga again in any case. I'm thinking you didn't realize there was a novel, since you seem to be responding as if I was talking about the manga. But than, I've never read the manga maybe it's exactly like the novel down to every detail for all I know. In the novel Yonabaru and Ferrel are both as featured as characters who are always going to loop and never develop can possibly be, obviously focus is on Rita and Keiji though yah. LibbyM fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Sep 23, 2014 |
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The novel and manga have the same ending. Better ending than somehow killing the big bad boss and then everything is dead ending, but the movies ending is still a happier ending.
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# ? Sep 23, 2014 18:24 |
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What evidence is there to suggest the mimics intentionally lost at Verdun? From what Rita tells us it seems like she had to retry the day enough times to become a really good soldier, try to tell people what was happening and get locked up for it, start having visions, and eventually get to a point where she killed a hundred, took a wound and bled out, losing the powers and leaving both sides stuck with the result of the battle. If that's taking a dive they sure made humanity work for it. What did the mimics get out of the defeat other than a mass assault that it clearly had to suffer a bunch of times before Cruise fluked the claymore kill of an alpha and hamstrung it again?
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# ? Sep 26, 2014 16:42 |
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sassassin posted:What evidence is there to suggest the mimics intentionally lost at Verdun? They gave her visions that showed where the Omega was that were faked to draw her in to wound her, but not kill her. They did the same exact thing to Cage, and he figured out that was their plan all along.
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# ? Sep 26, 2014 17:01 |
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LorneReams posted:They gave her visions that showed where the Omega was that were faked to draw her in to wound her, but not kill her. What does that have to do with intentionally throwing the battle, though? The trap in the dam is just a reaction to someone hijacking the time skip system. It solves the immediate problem but isn't a part of some wider plot to draw humanity in as far as I can see. The Omega is faced with an inability to guarantee success rather than actually desiring defeat.
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# ? Sep 26, 2014 17:47 |
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sassassin posted:What does that have to do with intentionally throwing the battle, though? The trap in the dam is just a reaction to someone hijacking the time skip system. It solves the immediate problem but isn't a part of some wider plot to draw humanity in as far as I can see. Well, I can't vouch for this tactic's actual viability, but in the movie it was speculated that the Omega wanted humans to be overconfident with the success of the Jacket technology and that the massive final assault would basically be an ambush where the mimics would slaughter the remaining human military forces while also striking at the heart of their leadership. Remember that while everyone is getting slaughtered on the beach landing, the mimics are also launching an attack against London and who knows where else. The mimics know why they were losing at Verdun, they realized that Rita was looping. The humans though, don't know the real reason they won. The mimics know they have taken care of the human looper problem so they have a huge intelligence advantage. Their plan would have gone off without a hitch if Tom Cruise didn't star in so many scifi movies... edit: It's also possible they had to throw the battle in order to trap Rita.
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# ? Sep 26, 2014 18:55 |
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Snak posted:Well, I can't vouch for this tactic's actual viability, but in the movie it was speculated that the Omega wanted humans to be overconfident with the success of the Jacket technology and that the massive final assault would basically be an ambush where the mimics would slaughter the remaining human military forces while also striking at the heart of their leadership. Remember that while everyone is getting slaughtered on the beach landing, the mimics are also launching an attack against London and who knows where else. The mimics know why they were losing at Verdun, they realized that Rita was looping. The humans though, don't know the real reason they won. The mimics know they have taken care of the human looper problem so they have a huge intelligence advantage. Their plan would have gone off without a hitch if Tom Cruise didn't star in so many scifi movies... Yeah, I remembered it being something like this, they "lost" to make the humans overconfidently throw everything they had at the mimics in one giant assault, which just made it convenient for the mimics to be able to wipe out the bulk of their forces all at once since they'd all be massed in the same area. BUT ONE MAN....
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# ? Sep 26, 2014 20:08 |
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Crappy Jack posted:Yeah, I remembered it being something like this, they "lost" to make the humans overconfidently throw everything they had at the mimics in one giant assault, which just made it convenient for the mimics to be able to wipe out the bulk of their forces all at once since they'd all be massed in the same area. BUT ONE MAN.... I feel like this is much more likely a response to Rita's unexpected victory, rather than a deliberate loss. Turning a setback into an ambush, as it were, rather than planning the ambush based on one soldier's chance death. The alternative, that an alpha deliberately played the day over again until it managed to bleed on someone when it died, is just... convoluted.
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# ? Sep 26, 2014 20:20 |
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Snak posted:The mimics know they have taken care of the human looper problem so they have a huge intelligence advantage. The same intelligence advantage they had before Verdun. The mimics don't learn when humans trigger a loop, right? Otherwise Cruise's maps and strategies wouldn't have worked at all. I've got no problem with the events of the film as they happen, but Rita's assertion that the mimics lost on purpose at Verdun rather than she won a largely meaningless victory seems out of place. It's an odd conclusion to draw. The idea that the mimics wanted an all-out assault so they could wipe out humanity is just a theory. The resistance faced on the beach is much more likely the result of the mimics having experienced the battle many times before (as evidenced by the hidden placement of the one that killed J squad - it knew where they would bunker down), rather than any long con being pulled. It's propaganda painting the mimics as absolute aggressors even in defeat/defence, and humanity as victims even in victory/attack.
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# ? Sep 26, 2014 20:35 |
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sassassin posted:I've got no problem with the events of the film as they happen, but Rita's assertion that the mimics lost on purpose at Verdun rather than she won a largely meaningless victory seems out of place. It's an odd conclusion to draw. Some weird kind of survivor's guilt, maybe?
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# ? Sep 26, 2014 20:38 |
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sassassin posted:The same intelligence advantage they had before Verdun. The mimics don't learn when humans trigger a loop, right? Otherwise Cruise's maps and strategies wouldn't have worked at all. Think about it this way: The mimics knew that Rita had become a part of their looping network. They took that out of the equation and lost a battle in the process. They have the technology to reset time. Now that they have gotten rid of the human looper, they could reset time and not lose the battle, and Rita would still be out of the way. But they didn't do that. They left it so that the humans won, which lead to the battle that the humans were losing every day while Cage was looping. You can argue that it's coincidence, but it lines up exactly with what the characters in the movie say.
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# ? Sep 27, 2014 03:35 |
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Snak posted:Think about it this way: The mimics knew that Rita had become a part of their looping network. They took that out of the equation and lost a battle in the process. They have the technology to reset time. Now that they have gotten rid of the human looper, they could reset time and not lose the battle, and Rita would still be out of the way. But they didn't do that. They left it so that the humans won, which lead to the battle that the humans were losing every day while Cage was looping. You can argue that it's coincidence, but it lines up exactly with what the characters in the movie say. This presupposes that the Mimics could override Rita's time changing. While they could probably react to it thanks to the Omega having a sort of overriding knowledge of the situation, I doubt they could just that easily have reversed Rita's looping. Evidence: when Cage got locked out, why didn't they just have an Alpha commit suicide to reset the day, this time with Cage on the outside looking in?
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# ? Sep 27, 2014 03:40 |
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Strobe posted:This presupposes that the Mimics could override Rita's time changing. While they could probably react to it thanks to the Omega having a sort of overriding knowledge of the situation, I doubt they could just that easily have reversed Rita's looping. That's a good point. The real problem here is that this time-loop technology-based military strategy really just exists to tell the story and doesn't make any sort of mechanical sense. Which isn't really a flaw in the movie, but it does mean that we can only go so far in analyzing it's use. Oh god, it just occurred to me what a clusterfuck warfare between two mimic Omegas would be like. But in a way it would be much more symmetrical...
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# ? Sep 27, 2014 03:49 |
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A war between two Mimic Omegas already has its own movie. It's called "Wargames".
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# ? Sep 27, 2014 03:51 |
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Snak posted:Think about it this way: The mimics knew that Rita had become a part of their looping network. They took that out of the equation and lost a battle in the process. They have the technology to reset time. Now that they have gotten rid of the human looper, they could reset time and not lose the battle, and Rita would still be out of the way. But they didn't do that. They left it so that the humans won, which lead to the battle that the humans were losing every day while Cage was looping. You can argue that it's coincidence, but it lines up exactly with what the characters in the movie say. This assumes an intelligence or level of strategy to the mimics that I'm not sure the film demonstrates. The time loops are an automatic reflex when an alpha is killed (which is why Cruise can use them). The ambush on the beach is a response to having experienced the beach assault before. The trap at the dam acts like an immune response eliminating a parasite or infection. The Omega merely responds to the actions of humanity in the film, albeit via time travel. This makes it appear aggressive, when there needn't be any real intent on its part for the same actions to be taken. Even the attack on London can be viewed as mirroring Cruise's later attack on the Lourve; trying to eliminate the enemy's central intelligence, and end the war.
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# ? Sep 27, 2014 11:50 |
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Strobe posted:A war between two Mimic Omegas already has its own movie. But maybe that's foreplay to Mimic Omegas. Run through a bunch of unwinnable scenarios until they either realizing fighting isn't the answer and merging their hives or reproduce a new Mimic to take over those resources while they teleport away for areas with little competition.
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# ? Sep 27, 2014 22:45 |
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sassassin posted:This assumes an intelligence or level of strategy to the mimics that I'm not sure the film demonstrates. The time loops are an automatic reflex when an alpha is killed (which is why Cruise can use them). The ambush on the beach is a response to having experienced the beach assault before. The trap at the dam acts like an immune response eliminating a parasite or infection. I thought they discussed how the mimics basically wiped out Asia/Russia though, so I don't think they're really digging surgical strikes to end a war. I like trying to put the time travel gimmick to the test, but like Snak said it really doesn't hold up in super-deep way that lasts long after the movie ends. Which is fine, during the movie runtime it works well.
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What's the word on extras and/or deleted scenes for the DVD release? From the trailers and various promo materials, it looks like there was some kind of fight/confrontation sequence in the flooded Lourve area that got cut. (at about 2:12 in this video: http://www.keyartaward.com/winners/2014/av_trailers/entry.cfm?entryid=501410158&ispartofcampaign=0&index=20) I'm probably buying the movie anyway, but it'd be really cool to see what got left on the editing room floor, especially if it involves more badassery from Rita, Cage, & J Squad. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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# ? Oct 10, 2014 01:11 |
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I received a review copy of this a few weeks ago but was out of town and didn't get a chance to watch it. I still haven't been able to watch it because of work, however I got through the first act. Of note, the bass drop tone at the very beginning. LoL it knocked my projector out of alignment. Its a frequency sweep down to 10hz for no reason whatsoever. Do you know what a 10hz sweep sounds like ? Nothing. But your walls and ceiling still move
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:What's the word on extras and/or deleted scenes for the DVD release? From the trailers and various promo materials, it looks like there was some kind of fight/confrontation sequence in the flooded Lourve area that got cut. (at about 2:12 in this video: http://www.keyartaward.com/winners/2014/av_trailers/entry.cfm?entryid=501410158&ispartofcampaign=0&index=20) There's a lot of great featurettes that focus on stuff in the film you actually care about. The design of the suits, the physical labor of running in the bulky armor, the special effects, the design on the Mimics, etc. The deleted scenes have some extra battle scenes including a few from the beach that were only pre-visualized. One interesting extra is a complete cut of Cruise's final battle on the beach in which he makes zero mistakes.
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:What's the word on extras and/or deleted scenes for the DVD release? From the trailers and various promo materials, it looks like there was some kind of fight/confrontation sequence in the flooded Lourve area that got cut. (at about 2:12 in this video: http://www.keyartaward.com/winners/2014/av_trailers/entry.cfm?entryid=501410158&ispartofcampaign=0&index=20) At first I didn't see the suits there. I'm guessing that was supposed to be foreshadowed by the conversation about NOT ganking an alpha and the guy with the claymore doing a dramatic "nope" and not pulling the pin on it instead of what we got in the final cut. FrostedButts posted:There's a lot of great featurettes that focus on stuff in the film you actually care about. The design of the suits, the physical labor of running in the bulky armor, the special effects, the design on the Mimics, etc. Do you have it? Is it a suited Louvre battle?
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# ? Oct 19, 2014 11:31 |
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The sign outside our local Family Video says Edge Of Tomorrow Million Ways To Die Which would *still* have been a better title.
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Slugworth posted:The sign outside our local Family Video says A Million Ways to Die in the West(ern Europe)
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Jesus did not come to bring peace, but a sword. No it didn't. This was a pretty good sci-fi action movie, was kinda surprised. The title was still dumb as hell but the original was just as bad. The one thing I didn't understand is why they were call mimics. They didn't mimic anything. Lets! Get! Weird! fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Oct 19, 2014 |
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The aliens could "mimic" a bunch of different shapes is my guess.
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# ? Oct 19, 2014 18:51 |
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In the book / manga, the aliens seem to mimic human tactics and strategy by beating us in almost every single battle to date, giving their name. I'm not sure this was explicitly stated in the movie though.
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# ? Oct 19, 2014 19:14 |
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Speaking of the manga, Comixology has it on sale. $10 for the whole thing.
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HoboWithAShotgun posted:In the book / manga, the aliens seem to mimic human tactics and strategy by beating us in almost every single battle to date, giving their name. I'm not sure this was explicitly stated in the movie though. It's not, but that makes sense.
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# ? Oct 19, 2014 19:28 |
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The movie definitely states that they mimic human tactics, but it's a minor note that they don't dwell on.
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# ? Oct 19, 2014 20:46 |
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They state it (Mad Eye Moody says it near the beginning IIRC) but they don't really explain what it means specifically. "They mimic our tactics" seems to mean "they anticipate our every move and counter it" I guess, based on how the Omega time-fuckery works. Or maybe after Verdun they saw mimics dropping out of mimic dropships wearing mimic battlesuits made in China.
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Electromax posted:They state it (Mad Eye Moody says it near the beginning IIRC) but they don't really explain what it means specifically. "They mimic our tactics" seems to mean "they anticipate our every move and counter it" I guess, based on how the Omega time-fuckery works. They respond to violence with violence. Before it's happened. The more coordinated the attack the more coordinated the defence.
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# ? Oct 21, 2014 14:38 |
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The Mimic name in the movie at least is more of a thematic thing. The military and the aliens are mirrors of each other, Cage & Rita mimic the aliens' powers, and Cage eventually has to reject both the human and alien war machines to win. Quoting myself because I'm insufferable I guess.Arglebargle III posted:Okay on the second viewing and on the lookout for the things in the thread, specifically with regards to the relationship between Cage, the aliens, and the military:
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# ? Oct 30, 2014 17:06 |
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My family finally got around to watching this and loved it. They understood the looping and reset stuff, including with the omega more than some people in this thread. They thought it was a lot like The Matrix, too.
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# ? Dec 29, 2014 00:51 |
My severely autistic little brother decided that it was a Minecraft movie and Tom Cruise just needed to turn on peaceful mode.
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# ? Dec 29, 2014 21:48 |
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Nah the aliens and humans are fundamentally dissimilar, mostly because there are no aliens in the movie. There's an alien. The omega is the only entity with an individual will, all the others are basically cells of an organism. So even though the soldiers go on about killing, it's via narratives of being a warrior or a hero. Individual accomplishments are held aloft, even above the overall aims of the battle, like when Rita was always talked about by her killcount. This actually bears out pretty well in the climax. Once cage gets near the Omega, the sensible thing to for it to do is reset right loving now. Put cage in that alphas spot and he commits suicide on the spot. But the alpha is an immune response, not an individual, and self destruction in service of a higher goal is incomprehensible to it. E: basically this movie is bizzaro Osmosis Jones A big flaming stink fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Jan 9, 2015 |
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From my mom's Christmas letter...quote:*kiimo* worked on the campaign for the latest Tom Cruise movie, "Edge of Darkness" this year my own mother can't even get this abomination of a name right.
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Pander posted:That's an area where I find the LDR:EoT groundhog day effect a little less realistic (*gasp*) than Groundhog Day. Repeating conversations, memorizing where a couple barney fifes go in order to steal a bag of money, that all seems pretty repeatable in Groundhog Day. Making the exact same movements at the exact same times during loops to escape the beach firefight just seems absurd. It's not just knowing patterns, it's repeating all those very complex steps over and over and over. Even after he knows how to get to the helicopter area, he still couldn't get there every time. One example of this for me was the scene where Cage walks away from his meeting with Rita all depressed and two members of J-Squad try to beat him up. He "predicts" their every move with his eyes closed, which suggests that he went through this moment enough times to memorize it completely, which means that he also went through enough versions of the day that lead to this moment. The idea of the sheer volume of repetitions it would take to have that exact sequence occur and then be able to memorize what you need to do by trial and error was terrifying to me.
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