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Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Begemot posted:

The shield is where it stores the nukes.

These designers don't know what shields are for!

Nah, the nuke's stored in the back part of the bazooka assembly.

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Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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chiasaur11 posted:

I'm not sure he had either. Look at the guy. Not taking cover, wide continuous spray instead of short, controlled bursts, and he didn't kill Captain Hardy 30 seconds later despite having all the opportunity in the world to do so.

But at least he managed to do his drat job. Few GM pilots can claim that honor.

Nah, the Federation won because of all the GM pilots that did their job. No more, no less.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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If only the manga weren't so expensive.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Lemon-Lime posted:

The translation/speech bubble layout isn't the best, but it's worth it for the art and how nice the hardbacks look.

I don't mind shelling out for a big omnibus on cheaper paper or a digital version. 25-35 per issue's just a ridiculous amount to me. I have a ton of books I like to have on shelves and not enough space for all of them, so as far as I'm concerned, them being hardback is bad even if I love it.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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The 00 movie has a lot of bad things but one thing I liked about it was the back and forth between humanity and the ELS, even if there's a lot of issues at parts with the depiction. My take on it is that the ELS can't really interact with anything except quantum brainwaves and their primary physical method of interaction is assimilation. So of course, when the former doesn't work (puny human brains) and the latter just leads to them getting shot at, they incorrectly make the assumption that humanity communicates via shooting. So they start shooting back. Obviously it's a bit handwavey since you'd think they'd get some information from all the assimilation they did to understand humanity better than shoot lasers, and it ends up being a setup for some excessive beamspamporn but it's a nice take on aliens that's usually lacking in media.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Improbable Lobster posted:

Amuro is canonically Canadian and no one can ever take that away from me

Doesn't the Origin make his hometown somewhere in Mexico?

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Lord Koth posted:

And, because an absurd number of organizations in the UC are batshit evil and/or insane, the Titans gas another colony 6 years later.

The spacenoids showed them how it's done.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Reset Smith posted:

I don't care what anyone else says I still love 0083, and this thread cannot convince me otherwise :c00lbert:

How very Gato of you.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Kanos posted:

The real answer is that the original Mobile Suit Gundam was birthed from the super robot era where you needed goofy new villains of the week for the hero to fight, and then later side stories crammed a billion more suits and variants into an already ridiculously crowded and compressed time period.

The in-universe reasoning is that while the Federation united all of its mobile suit production under one project, Zeon was sourcing mobile suit designs from two actively competing contractors(Zeonic and Zimmad) while also developing stuff like mobile armors and psycommu on their own. This is why all of the mobile suits used commonly by the Federation are all variants of the original V Project suits and why new Federation models tend to be "a GM, but with some extra equipment" or "a different variant of the RX-78-2", whereas new Zeon models tend to be entirely different machines. There's also definitely some desperation from Zeon involved in how rapidly they burn through main line mobile suits and prototype mobile armors trying to find the wonder weapon that will let them defeat the Federation before the Federation finishes rousing itself and squashes them under weight of manpower and resources.

The Federation being able to churn out an insane amount of military hardware actually makes perfect sense, since we're talking about the combined industrial power of the entire planet being shifted to a war footing in a conflict against people who just killed half of humanity. It's pretty hard to find a better unifier of political and economic will than existential terror.

Another thing is retcons getting retconned. The suits in 0080 were supposed to be new designs but not new suits. This is why MS Era used 0080 designs despite portraying bits from all over the OYW. Later they went back and just said that the reason the Zaku looks different in 0080 is because it's a new suit entirely! Or a late-war redesign. Same with 0083.

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Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Raxivace posted:

I hope the AI rebel against the Meijin and other guy at some point. This is some hosed up Gladiator-type stuff.

Yeah. I mean, it's clearly what a lot of fans would do given the situation but it feels weirdly cruel to have AIs of fictional characters with personalities and whatnot fight for your amusement.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Even in the future people will wear outdoor shoes indoors.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Kanos posted:

The original Gundam SEED's grunt design is so broadly terrible that I mostly block it out.

Luckily for you that's from Destiny. It's Destiny's version of the Hambrabi

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Weissritter posted:

Wait, they lobbed nukes at it and it survived?

I don't recall nukes every being used against Jaburo?

Also, don't forget that the Battle of Loum was going to be the precursor to a second Operation British.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Give me a Unicorn-themed laptop and a "This machine kills newtypes" sticker.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Guy Goodbody posted:

Does anybody recognize the Gundam with the giant hand?



Maybe the Saviour? The backpack also reminds me of the zaku warrior's blaze backpack.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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EVGA Longoria posted:

Watching Zeta Gundam the first time, and the dub raised a question I'd never considered before: Do people pronounce the GM as the "Jim", or was that just a weird thing the dub does? I don't think I've ever heard anyone say Jim instead of Gee Emm.

Also, holy crap the TV series is already loads better than the movies, things make sense and have context.

The katakana is literally ji-mu, so yeah, jim.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Isn't Palau just a resource asteroid with a simulated gravity environment? I mean, it's effectively similar to the o'neill cylinder but that does explain why it's built up the way it is as opposed to how most other space which colonies have a blend of suburban, urban, and even industrial complexes.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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It's been quite a while since I watched 0080 but just off the top of my head, they don't completely play the Zeon squad as good guys in a bad war. They may have their regular dude aspects but they're also special forces. They're relatable and it doesn't really pretend they're spotless but there's this undercurrent that they're not 'just' average joe soldiers in a bad war.

It's definitely on the softer end of it though, where it's easier to pretend that a group of people weren't awful because those aspects aren't immediately obvious.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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chumbler posted:

I was thinking recently about what in season 2 would even be salvageable, and all I've got is the general idea that whoops Schoenberg's plan was actually pretty dumb because it led to A-laws, and Tieria looking good in a dress. The rest is just a lot of why is this here. Louise didn't need to be suddenly a super soldier. Liu-Mei didn't need to suddenly have been cartoonishly evil all along. Sergei's son didn't need to even be there. So much of it just felt like filler that you'd practically have to rewrite the season from scratch.

I'd maybe even go as far as saying Destiny was a better follow-up to SEED than 00 season 2 to season 1.

I mean, afaik there wasn't a real formal plan beyond getting humanity ready for spaaaaaace.

Some basic poo poo like uniting humanity is clearly a step in that direction but while some of the stuff orchestrated by Ribbons may have been been beneficial, he was clearly in it for his own benefit and had enough influence over things to change it further for his own benefit.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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IIRC between the end of the battle in the 00 movie and the epilogue, there's brief last gasp war by anti-Innovator forces.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Well, there's that prequel Nier Automata stage-play (it was written and done before Automata was even revealed IIRC) and Fate Grand Order has a stage play adaptation for its sixth singularity. I've seen clips of both and while they're not for me, I can see how fans could enjoy it.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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At least part of Palau's reason for being a shitheap is that it's a resource asteroid with a 1G habitat section. Presumably there's other places like it though probably less than before.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Aw, too bad about NGB. I was almost excited about getting to make my own MS in a game and not just my imagination.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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0083 Rebellion features a lot of cameo-esque elements, both in terms of bringing in minor characters from elsewhere or little-known MSVs. It does lower some of the focus on Kou and the Albion but it also gives the Federation more things to do because they deployed special forces and such against Gato. Basically, it feels like they're doing some things and not just leaving the nuke Gundam to one ship and two MS teams.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Finally got around to watching The Origin 6.

Garma is not a good kid. At best he's the least schemy of the Zabis but all that means is that he'd be easy as hell to manipulate.

I enjoyed the depiction of ships as durable as hell. Even a straight on ship-scale beam cannon wasn't coring vessels left and right, which is a welcome change from ships dying from the slightest thing. I did find it a bit silly that the Revil fleet doesn't spot Dozle's forces right up until they cross paths.

Now if only the manga wasn't like $30 CAD a volume.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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drrockso20 posted:

Worth remembering that along with messing up Radio and Radar, Minovsky Particles screw with literally the entire Electromagnetic Spectrum, even visible light and heat sensors get messed up at high enough concentrations(because of this the monitors inside a Mobile Suit cockpit or Ship bridge don't actually show the direct feed from the cameras, said images get processed by computers first, so the pilots are seeing a cg recreation instead, this is why Dummy Balloons are effective, same with the F91's after images)

Well they did have people using their eyeballs through space glass. It just felt a little silly going from "what's that in front of us" to "the zeon fleet is right in front of us!" and then broadsides and poo poo.

That's another issue I had with it. The passage of time isn't well indicated. It gets easy to catch on that some amount of time is passing between jumps but it's very vague whether it's days or weeks sometimes.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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IMO Bask Om looked far more imposing with the regular EFF uniform and peaked cap than the Titan uniform.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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I wish The Origin manga would get released in digital format or something because $30 CAD per volume is horseshit.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Captain Cappy posted:

My favorite part of every gundam seed episode was when White Base got hit and they used the stock footage of the huge tiddie captain getting knocked forward in her seat. Thanks for listening.

You make it sound like there's a non huge tiddie captain in SEED.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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drrockso20 posted:

I think the most common theory about the guy piloting the Byarlant Custom is that he's the main character from Blue Destiny, though I've also seen people theorize that he ended up being one of the Jegan pilots at the end of CCA

Byarlant Custom guy is just some ex-Titans dude. Yuu Kajima is apparently in the CCA novel as part of Londo Bell. I could've sworn one of the PS2 Gundam games let you play or had a cameo of Yuu during CCA.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Arcsquad12 posted:

Campbell Lane was a treasure, but the guy who voices General "MORBL SOOTS" Septum takes first prize.

It's an uncredited role. I swear the guy who voices dubbed Sergei Smirnov is Septum though.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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So a more politically/socially critical Macross?

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Arcsquad12 posted:

The Kshatriya was put out of commission when Marida got a concussion from getting knocked around by Banagher.

And that came after she did the same thing to him.

Droyer posted:

The microwave thing from SeeD?

Nah that also exploded everything.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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AradoBalanga posted:

Let's hope Brock can stick the landing and make it last more than a month or so.

And props to the Pokemon anime team for just going, "gently caress it, let's rip off G Gundam for today's battle." without a care in the world.

At first I thought they were a battle couple but on later viewings it definitely looks like she is either creeped out or thinks he's too into this/too close to her.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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IMO what pisses me off most about seed destiny these days because I no longer really care about the bad story or bad setting or bad characters etc. is that they made a mech Babi as a clear reference to the Hambrabi but unlike the zaku or gouf or dom it is nothing like the Hambrabi other than the transformation and it never does anything except be in the background.

What a loving waste.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Kurieg posted:

e: Rustal's speech to him about how the Kujan Family's loyalty is the "True backbone of Gjallarhorn" seemed a bit like "I don't believe any of this bullshit but I need to keep you in line because you're such a massive loose canon."

You can look at it as the backbone of old Gjallarhorn. The Seven Stars and their loyal retainers are part of the rot. Iok has done nothing to earn the loyalty of their retainers and they only enable him to trip over his own feet again and again.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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I liked the ELS because they assimilate poo poo and this is the first time they've encountered anything else. The depiction isn't great but they're generally consistent? When your only method of communication is quantum brainwaves and your only method of interaction is assimilation, you work with what you get.

The explanation I've arrived at is not only do the ELS not understand they're killing the people they're assimilating, but they're incredibly dense. This might be because they only perceive quantum brainwaves as signs of life which is why they didn't fully assimilate the girl. Still doesn't really explain assimilating her house but it's a good horror moment. They clearly don't quite get why they're being shot at constantly but they're working with what they have and maybe shooting is a form of communication so let's try that.

It's only when Setsuna can set up two-way communication with the bandwidth to support it that the ELS can realize they hosed up real hard.

And yeah I didn't really like GN particles being evolution particles.

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Jan 13, 2008
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Psycho Landlord posted:

It’s been forever since I watched any of 00 but wasn’t the whole point that the ELS were completely new to this whole first contact thing as well? It wasn’t just that they were an alien intelligence, it’s that they were an alien intelligence that was just as unprepared to deal with other alien intelligences as we were. Also their planet blew up and they wanted ours for some reason or something.

The 00 movie was not at all a good movie but I still enjoyed it for the attempt at handling the material it did, and it was a shitload better at handling the whole “communication is key” theme than S2 was.

It's unclear. It's not really explained how they even got here but they likely have some form of FTL. The Gundam wiki says they selected Jupiter to become their new homeworld, and that the invasion of Earth was sort of by accident as they were seeing where the Europa (the spaceship) came from. Everything after that was just escalating responses from both sides.

I stick by them not realizing humanity is intelligent because it makes sense for them to think quantum brainwaves is a requirement for intelligent life. They clearly didn't understand what humanity was because they kept assimilating people.

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Jan 13, 2008
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It's just so...awfully convenient that the GN particles also prove to be CB's chief technological advantage as well as a catalyst in human evolution that also just happens to be similar to the biological terminals of CB's quantum computer.

Like, Gundam Unicorn almost has that same problem but newtypes are sort of incidental to UC. At the core of it it's just humans becoming psychic. Zeon's theory of newtypes turns out to been woefully optimistic because newtypes misunderstand one another perfectly fine. But hey, dude wasn't entirely off base, he just had an idealized view but actually getting there involves plenty of friction arising from change and the human condition. Unicorn's whole final secret UN clause feels incredibly awkward and just conveniently vague. It sort of tries to avoid being a contrivance the way 00's innovators/GN particles are, but stands out as more contrived because we're not dumb. That's just how I feel anyway.

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Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Warmachine posted:

What I don't get is what prompted them to write it in the first place.

Some characters in the Unicorn anime say it was sort of as an apology for forcing mankind into space the way they did (effectively moving the underclasses to space and leaving the Earth for the wealthier people, until they created their own underclass anyway). It's still a terrible reason.

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