alf_pogs posted:

apply for a refund now and get out while ya can mr puncher

MeLKoR posted:

a rejection letter autographed by Sandi

Toops posted:

Ask for a refund (email cig's customer service)

If recent history is any indication it will go something like this:
1. You'll get an automated response saying "we're so busy lol sorry!"
2. 3-6 weeks later, you might hear back (not exaggerating)
3. It will probably be a straight out "you're not entitled to a refund you donated this money and we needs it, here's some link to legalese bullshit meant to intimidate you ..."

At this point, you should contact your bank and initiate a chargeback. Keep any/all correspondence, with timestamps. With a bit of luck, your bank will initiate a chargeback and CIG will refund you the money.

They may try to jip you out of money and say "well we can give you 10 bux back but the rest of these items are no longer being stocked" or some horse poo poo like that. If they do, go chargeback.

It's a sick loving scam they got going at this point. Be polite but firm. They are trained to smell fear.

AP posted:

Which ships/packages do you have?

MeLKoR posted:

That ship as sailed but you should still get an official rejection letter. That might or might not allow you to escalate into "chargeback" territory but you should still ask regardless.

AP posted:

lti aurora's were going for $150.

G0RF posted:

...because of Chris Roberts' micromanagement/scoop creep/unreasonableness?

G0RF posted:

Chris Roberts' scoop creep

G0RF posted:

scoop creep

CashEnsign posted:

Hey what's a good space game right now? I have a new shiny pc with an i5, a gtx 960 4GB, and a t1600 joystick that needs to get out of the box. Pls no Eve Online, I finally finished my therapy sessions.

INB4 graphics card shaming

CashEnsign posted:

Can you play it with a joystick?

Romes128 posted:

No publisher would touch this when it collapses. Now, yes, there may be a chance.

But no one is going to rescue the biggest failure in crowdfunding if it dies.

Romes128 posted:

no obligation to fulfill kickstarter promises
without much of a potential player base to generate revenue from

G0RF posted:

Why would a publisher do that? What is there really to gain by this, when to date, we've seen nothing wonderous, nothing proprietary, nothing special in Star Citizen save for what they promise will come in their "in engine"' video ads?

DICE could build a better FPS with Spaceships in Frostbite from the ground up for half of what Chris has raised. With no liabilities, no promises to entitled whales expecting space planes that carry 100+ passengers and include cocktail serving minigames that would've been boring even in a CD-I title.

Bioware could add spaceship combat to Mass Effect: Andromeda (if they don't already have that planned) in Frostbite and deliver a better experience than Star Citizen as sold. They've got great lore, a built in audience, a world class shooter engine, and marketing people who actually know how market and merchandise.

Buying up the wreckage of this in bankruptcy is buying IOUs to hundreds of thousands of pissed off people, the most invested of which are used to being able to get the VP of Marketing on the phone when they're pissed, used to getting to hang around the offices and jawbone with the developers, used to having mods look the other way when they send phallus photos to female backers.

Yes, there is talent at CIG. It's not at the top, though-- it's in the middle. The main talent those at the top have is a talent for fleecing the gullible and the corporation their funds have helped build. Not exactly like picking up a Carmack in a buyout.

Publishers hate Star Citizen- they absolutely hate it. Because Chris Roberts pounded his chest and called them the enemy of great games, called them peddlers of uninspired unit shifters. He has gotten and continues to get much Gaming Industry love by striking his Punk Rock pose and flipping off the industry. He's called them the enemy of visionary developers, of fidelity and immersion, and worse-- and drawn a cult like devotion from people who buy into his false dichotomies and sky's the limit promises.

If this thing does crater one day, they will have no lifelines for Chris. They will not hover like vultures to pick the meat and marrow off of Star Citizen's corpse. They will leave it decomposing wherever it dropped, pop corks on champagne and watch as their upcoming games hit the market and are bought for $60 by the same folks still holding IOUs for spacepixels and dreams.

So Chris better get this to Minimum Viable Product while the getting is still good and the money still rolls in, because it's more likely he'll get a class action lawsuit than an industry bailout if he crash this thing.

Tippis posted:

CIG has no valuable tech, just ideas of tech that they would like to have (but can't seem to deliver). If they go under, yet another year or two will have passed before it's available so what meh-level tech they could conceivably have will be obsolete. That leaves the people as the thing to buy, but there's a problem with that: if the company goes under, there's no need for anyone to buy it to get the people — you can just hire them as normal because all of them just lost their jobs. No need to burden yourself with an entire company when you can just cherry-pick newly freed up talent.

That leaves the IP but Star Citizen does not have an IP to speak of. It's generic “militaristic humans vs. scary aliens”, which is not an idea that needs to be bought. The only thing that remains is the art — the dreaded jpegs and the concept designs, but why bother? You have to rebuild everything from scratch anyway.


The hollywood dramatisation will be the only place to experience the far more fun narrative

AP posted:

Did you see that? Over $2k he's selling, eating paypal fee and offered to knock another 5% off and he's far from the only one, lots of upgraded LTI P-72 ships, so basically people were buying the lti p72 for $20 or whatever it was sold for, then melting their account locked ships and upgrading them so they had giftable/LTI ships to sell for less than cost.

Paying $20 in chunks each time they want to get their money out, just to be able to get most of it out.

Junk Puncher posted:

Also, I've been sort of keeping tabs on the grey market, and prices are dropping. Some listings claim "Under Cost." IDK if that's RSI cost or grey market cost at a loss.

Things are only worth what people are willing to pay for them, right? Lots of defenders over at Reddit, but their market speaks too.

Iglocska posted:

Wait, you can turn money tied up in something non-giftable giftable if you upgrade a giftable LTI ship?

Avalanche posted:

Assuming Ben lives on the west side of LA, how the gently caress is he so loving fat? How the gently caress is he getting fatter? Santa Monica/west side is so affluent you can sometimes find bums with gym memberships to Equinox gyms. Even if you just walk outside for 10min and look at people, you start feeling like you need to go to the gym or run or loving do something immediately.

MMD3 posted:

is there a celebratory thread somewhere for people who finally got their money out of SC?

I just sold an account I paid $140 for to a redditor for $200. phew.

BeefThief posted:

Only 22gb to glory.

I just realized I don't have a ship of my own! I suppose I will have to borrow one.

Happy Sisyphus posted:

sorry if i'm late to the eonwe testimonials but this guy got me to stop browsing 4chan because i realized i can shitpost here in a much healthier way

chaosbreather posted:

i'm not derek but quaternions are pretty simple, they're basically a more complex complex number

instead of just i, you also get j and k, any of which squared is -1, but the product of all of them is -1 too

end result you can have a single number to express four dimensions, much like with a complex number you can have a single number to express two

hth friend

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

So when exactly did the tide begin to turn against Chris Roberts here in the Games thread? I mean we in the GBS thread were making fun of this shitshow since 2013, and went out of our minds at the absolute hilarity that was the unveiling of arena commander at the start of 2014. But I remember it being a hugbox in here until sometime in 2015. How many dissenters came into the threads in this forum and get driven off/probated for rightly pointing out how retarded people were for spending hundreds/thousands of dollars on jpegs?

Mendrian posted:

If SM is an unnessecary module because FPS is already in the game, how do they justify AC?

I have to assume because space ships are not currently in the game.

Daztek posted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/43f0d5/star_marine_what_went_on_there_then/czhqu87

HiHo ChiRho posted:

are we done yet? did we win the 'verse? ruin everything?

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

Taping it now, the only things I can remember from memory are the firing range, tits in the shower, and the guy getting his brains sucked out.

Variable 5 posted:

But you'll make them pay extra for the secret forum, right? Seems only fair.

EightAce posted:

Anyone have an authentic Philly cheese steak recipe. Also, what's a montichristo sandwich?

EightAce posted:

Wtf! By jelly I assume you mean jam. In which case, what flavor

Young Freud posted:

This is ultimately how long entering and exiting a space ship in SC should take...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U437m8gtqX4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGugEmFimCU
See that? In the time you entered into the seat of the Constellation, you watched the entirety of the boarding animations of all air vehicles from Just Cause 2. And, especially with the helicopters, Just Cause 2 kept the fidelity of entering aircraft.

Ponzi posted:

I've come to a realisation - the cultists are incapable of thinking for themselves.

you have an ill-deserved bad rep (but enjoy your notoriety). Yes, you can be 'toxic dinks', but I don't think it's because of any inherent desire to be nasty for the sake of it, but rather an 'accept no bullshit' attitude, and a liking for pointing out the crazy things in life, usually in a humorous manner.

Well that's what I think anyway.

Daztek posted:

MedicineHut posted:

Do we know if the PID controller algorithms are actually working in the game? I mean judging by the borked physics and balsa wood you can see in AC and the PU (and looking back to all the issues to date with flight physics, cutlass issues etc) I suspect the fideliteh in this area has been completely dropped or cheated to death too. BFCSSE, Best loving Cheat Space Sim Ever.

Tippis posted:

Everyone else is effort-posting, so…


That reminds me of a thought I had the other day. There's all this talk about SC being a matter of faith, with all the connotations this entails — on the one hand we have the citizen cult; on the other we have the SA apostates and heretics; and of course, there's the Big Evil Fork-tailed Derek.

In a sense, I actually believe that the citizens got one thing right in all of this: they keep suggesting, implicitly and explicitly, that having faith in the project is what will bring it to fruition. That's why negative thoughts hit so hard and why facts are so useless against them. The only thing they really got wrong about this idea is whose faith it is that matters. It's not theirs — they're just backers and they don't really matter as far as completing the thing goes. It's not SA's or Dereks (or, more accurately, the lack thereof) — we can't actually change anything about the game and are only made relevant by how CIG reacts to us.

The problem is Chris. He, of all people, has no faith in Star Citizen, and that's why it is breaking down.

He has no faith in his own judgement; he can't say “this is good” and then stick to that conviction; he can't say “no” to ideas because there's no way for him to see that they don't fit with with the ideal. All he seems to know is that he has to beat… someone. Anyone. Everything and everyone is the enemy because there is no coherent idea that he can affix his vision to. He doesn't seem to believe in any one thing that can stand on its own merits — it has to build on and outclass something else — but without any such intrinsic value, that “something else” cannot be clearly defined so it becomes everything else. Rather than innovative, it necessarily becomes derivative, because otherwise, there is no way to judge that it is good. If it were innovative, there would be no good point of comparison to be “better than”; if it could stand on its own merits, it would be incomparable and thus — in the very essence of the word — worthless.

Look at the competition that has existed and that has emerged. Elite has the merit of being the Elitest of Elite games. NMS has the merit of being the weirdo-procedural-world game, complete with weird colour schemes to match. Good old EVE is the (war) economy sim. ME:A and CoD:IW are perhaps not innovative, but they have their very clear and staked-out niches: Bioware story-telling and military spectacle-shooting. What is the supposed merit of SC? It's simply “best”. At what? Being a “drat space sim game”, apparently, but that tells us nothing. At no point has Chris actually dared put his foot down and say “it will be ‘The (eponymous) Best’ at this thing” and then stuck to it.

The game lacks conviction; it lacks a goal; it lacks someone at the top who actually aspires to reaching that goal — at least in any way that dares to be mentioned publicly.