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Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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I got pointed here from the SF thread, and I am so grateful to all of you for your analyses, because these books confuse the hell out of me. I have, however, gotten many bitter chuckles out of "I can't wait until 2022 when Alecto is released."

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Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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The monkey's paw curls a finger

The next book is in Noodle's POV.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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(backreading this thread like a Sixth Houser expecting a test)
cptn_dr, could you post the recipe for your Princess of Ida cocktail?

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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cptn_dr posted:

Yep!

15 mls Lemon juice
15 mls creme de violette

Shaken with ice, strained into a coupe and topped off with Prosecco (or other sparkling wine of your choice).

You can also stir the lemon and violet with ice, which is maybe a little more practical with such small quantities, but shaking will give a slightly better result.

You can bump the quantity of violet up by another 5mls or so too, depending on how much you like violet.

Edit: It's pretty dry, if you prefer sweeter you can add a barspoon of simple syrup to the mix as well, but I tend not to.
That looks good!
I much, much prefer shaken drinks because I love the little ice shards that melt on your tongue (first sip only)

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Welp, finished The Mysterious Study of Doctor Sex. Thanks, I needed that heartbreak. Apart from the gut-punch of the ending, finding out I would have liked the real Dulcinea a lot was painful.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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BTW, the "Beguiling Corpse" theorem may be a reference to the Exquisite Corpse game invented by the Surrealists. You fold a paper into segments. The first player writes* writes part of a story and hands it over to the second writer. The second writer writes another part of the story and folds the paper so that the first player's contribution cannot be seen. Repeat until everybody's written; then open the paper and see the wild twists the story takes.

It's fun.

* Sometimes artists play this and draw instead of writing.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Dolash posted:

Really bringing me back to some of the latter-day Homestuck arguments about consequences, stakes, and the ability to give a poo poo. [spoiler]I get your meaning about the stakes of death as they stand in-universe, in the story, but I think with how metatextually-aware the whole story's been written that those are the wrong stakes to worry about.
[meaty stuff cut]
Of course, your mileage will vary. I just thought it was an interesting perspective you shared and wanted to share mine, because I've definitely been there before.
That was fascinating. And you're right that this is a thing that Muir may have carried forward from Homestuck. Not copied from, not in the least, but maybe educated by? Informed by? In response to?

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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FuturePastNow posted:

Is there's a cliff's notes summary of Homestuck I can read in 5 minutes or less
I googled and found nothing good, so here's my nothing good.

8000 pages, 1.2 million words, multiple Flash animations, original music, several interactive Flash games, communication primarily by '90s-era chatlogs, and a ravening fandom. The plot eats itself several times, including once where a character goes back in time and rewrites multiple panels of the existing comic. The whole thing is insanely self-referential.

Originally, four kids play a videogame that ends the universe, and then try to survive that. Long-term, eight kids, twenty-four trolls (gray alien beings, roll with it), and some supporting characters try to create and influence new universes; some of them are much more successful than others. The plot is way, way too big to fit into a five-minute summary, but fundamentally a lot of people die, some of them come back anyway, repeatedly, many long conversations happen over chat. There are multiple sequential Big Bads, each of whom our characters think they can defeat and end the whole thing.

The main thing to take away is that Homestuck is meta as *gently caress*. It is constantly breaking the fourth wall, constantly referring to and parodying popular culture, constantly responding to the audience. Originally, it began as a choose-your-own-adventure where the readers voted on what would happen next, but that didn't last long.

There is no way to summarize the plot, seriously. Just say that it's a comic that is about itself, about identity (not just gender/race/etc identity, but "if there are 37 copies of me, which one is real?"), about 8000 pages . "Let me tell you about Homestuck" is a teens meme because people would thrust themselves on you and start explaining and civilizations would rise and fall before the explanation was complete.

e: Dolash's and my avatars are from Homestuck.
edit edit: My avatar shows two characters who are arguing about whether the guy in the red suit is responsible for the actions of an alt-universe version of himself. That version started off as an alternate-timeline split, merged with a bird with a sword stuck through it, then popped back into the main timeline. That's Homestuck.

Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Sep 2, 2023

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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StumblyWumbly posted:

I feel like Homestuck was incredibly of its time socially, technologically, and culturally. It's like a full solar eclipse, the people who were there will never forget it, but descriptions make it sound dumber the longer they go on.
It surprises me, but archive readers (people who started reading after the comic was over) pop up fairly regularly in the Homestuck thread. What with the deprecation of Flash, to read it you now have to download a tarball of the whole thing that comes with a Flash emulator.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Did you do that? If so, wild applause.

Rand Brittain posted:

she's running on the mental level of Friendship is Magic and trying to broker peace between Israel and Palestine.
Man, I love that phrase.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Oh, God, I'm going to explain quadrants. Shoot me now.

A central Homestuck concept, one that parasitized Homestuck fandom, is troll relationship "quadrants": the trolls divide romantic (not necessarily erotic) relationships into four distinct classes. The one that's specifically relevant to Locked Tomb is "kismesis", represented by a deck-of-cards spade. Two people who are in a kismesis relationship hate* each other, but they also want to make each other better so that they can hate each other more. People in a kismesis sharpen each other's blades, make each other stronger so they can tear each other down again. The trolls consider kismesis an erotic romantic relationship.

Gideon and Harrow are in a classic Homestuck kismesis. They are constantly snapping at each other. Harrow's notes to Gideon are condescending. Gideon's interior dialogue has a lot to say about Harrow, much of it unflattering. But when the chips are down, they trust each other to be at the top of their respective skills. I have a very bad memory, but I don't recall Gideon or Harrow ever dismissing the other's competence as swordsman or necromancer.

Yes, enemies-to-friends and enemies-to-lovers are all over Western (at least) culture. The specific case of "I hate you therefore I will make you stronger" is a Homestuck thing. Reading the Locked Tomb through Homestuck goggles, Gideon/Harrow is the type specimen of a kismesis, with the erotic part sublimated but undeniable.

* extended meaning of "hate" specific to Homestuck, aka "it's all more complicated".

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Reclaimer posted:

I really think that's just parallel slang to "plowed" but who even knows

It's Muir, so it's probably intentional.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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PupsOfWar posted:

we're unaware of just how toxic the relationship between the Twins is and how loving awful it would be to be stuck in the middle of it - maintaining the ruse, trying to mediate between them somehow while being the galaxy's thirdest of third wheels.
Sweet baby Cthulhu, they're in clubs.

Back to quadrants. There is a non-erotic quadrant called "clubs" in which two people are really really bad for each other (and for the universe) as would-be spades. The third partner in a clubs relationship, in this case Babs, tries to keep the two crazy people (Ianthe and Coronabeth) from exploding and destroying everything around then.

It fits, damnit.

Quertycoatl, you're right. How the hell is Gideon managing to get her hands on titty porn without access to goods or services?

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Actually they are printed on leeks by the thriving skeleton 'zine community.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Where did Ortus get the cash?

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Okay, I laughed, thank you.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Mad Hamish posted:

Maybe Harrow orders it in and then leaves her cast-offs somewhere for Gideon to find.

I assume that the people tossing coins into his hat are doing so to get him to stop.
I do not want to think about Harrow's taste in porn, but I'd be shocked if it ranged as far as Best Titties of the 109th Legion.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Mad Hamish posted:

Beggars can't be choosers.

I'm mildly hung up on the concept of fake pornography, although I suppose something like Sultry 'N Steamy Sixth House Sluts could actually just be a story about a bunch of nerds trying to fix a broken thermostat.
Somewhere, maybe in one of the short stories, it's spelled out that the Sixth House are in fact catting around because they need the genetic diversity. They make a point of putting the most attractive Sixth House members in military situations where there are a lot of bored soldiers with nothing else to do. The Sixth House makes a point of teaching the kids erotic poetry before they go, because Sixth House.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Ceebees posted:

I have a dumb question, how does one get and read Uninvited Guest?

Backread the thread and there's a link.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Demon_Corsair posted:

And the backstory of how John became god is just a giant exposition dump. It was interesting but just kind of there.
I agree. It's much less artful than the rest of the series.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Kesper North posted:

"This is the gothest book I have ever read. Possibly the gothest book ever written."
Fair.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Saraiguma posted:


it really is a book about loss

edit:

:commissar:

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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That Tamsyn Muir interview is heartbreaking. Man, if I had to give up fandom entirely, it would be such an enormous wrench. (Note that I am aware of other published SF authors who are open about continuing to write fic and read it, but not of their works. Muir is an outlier in deciding she can never safely participate in fandom again.)

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Lead out in cuffs posted:

Lol put that way you gotta wonder whether the whole "kill your best friend to ascend for me" thing was basically just cult programming.
It absolutely was. He knew you could Ascend without either of you dying.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Happy Landfill posted:



How's everyone holding up?

Still trying to parse Nona the Ninth, thanks.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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(genuflects)

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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disposablewords posted:

It's a garbage feature.

I also resent that whenever I start a book, I have to put that book back into "show me the percentage complete" mode. It's not a global setting.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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sebmojo posted:

This is not how it happens
This is how it works
It feels a little worse
Like when we drove our hearse
Right through that screaming crowd

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Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Tell your wife she did amazing work.

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