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Germany had a 9-euro ticket during the Summer to cut down on energy costs. You bought one ticket once a month for the three months it was available, and all the regional trains and buses would accept this ticket, letting you ride all you wanted. It was super popular, and the trains and buses were super packed during this time. Though apparently people still used their cars almost as much, at least according to this: https://www.tum.de/aktuelles/alle-meldungen/pressemitteilungen/detail/9-euro-ticket-mehr-menschen-fahren-bus-und-bahn  Just a 3% drop in car use. Though apparently seasonally it goes up by 3%, so that's 6% total fewer cars I guess than normal. Maybe. Perhaps. Still, it was super helpful to a lot of people. And gave people a lot of opportunity to travel to places around the country. Unfortunately, the program ended for some reason instead of just going on forever. However, the whole time I kept thinking: Wouldn't it save everyone a lot of money and effort to just make it all free? I mean the trains and buses are gonna run regardless of tickets sold. And selling these monthly tickets or any tickets and checking them and all this and that - That's just a lot of extra hassle. Just make everything free. We'll all save money. Or am I missing something? Aside from saving poor people money is never politically attractive.
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do better, this is hate speech against a small minority, nobody ever thinks about the needs of the oppressed private-public partnership critical infrastructure contract grifting company owners
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Oct 21, 2022 19:23
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d&,d rear end post
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Oct 21, 2022 19:26
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bagual posted:do better, this is hate speech against a small minority, nobody ever thinks about the needs of the oppressed private-public partnership critical infrastructure contract grifting company owners They can also ride the bus, if they'd like. 
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Oct 21, 2022 19:26
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some plague rats posted:d&,d rear end post can't even post three characters without a typo lol
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Oct 21, 2022 19:26
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:can't even post three characters without a typo lol Well, I realize now it came after the &, so there's really just no defending it after all.
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Oct 21, 2022 19:28
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It's free if you can fight a bus driver or cry hard enough when your card declines
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Oct 21, 2022 19:29
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Private transit should also be free
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Oct 21, 2022 19:29
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Shadow0 posted:They can also ride the bus, if they'd like. i know it's common to encounter cockroaches and rats on american public transit but i'd rather it be vermin free thank you
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Oct 21, 2022 19:32
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:can't even post three characters without a typo lol Can't even type a post without a lol
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Oct 21, 2022 19:34
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some plague rats posted:Can't even type a post without a lol hey, you did it! good job!
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Oct 21, 2022 19:35
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that's it OP. sustain the present system by awarding treats
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Oct 21, 2022 19:36
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Nah, transit agencies should be obsessed with fare box recovery until they are running a bus every three hours.
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Oct 21, 2022 19:40
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public transit should be free if you bring your own vehicle
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Oct 21, 2022 19:42
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In Korea, buses actively attempt to murder you. Maybe we should consider adopting this model elsewhere to reduce our carbon footprint.
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Oct 21, 2022 19:43
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Shadow0 posted:In Korea, buses actively attempt to murder you. Maybe we should consider adopting this model to reduce our carbon footprint. this would just result in the extrajudicial murder of buses and giving buses the death penalty
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Oct 21, 2022 19:44
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One time i was on a train between munich and nuremberg and some guy tried to just get on the train without a ticket. The conductor came around checking tickets and when he found out he got extremely pissed off and was sort of quietly berating the guy with his face like 6 inches from the other guy's for like 10 minutes til we got to the next station where cops pulled the guy off the train
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Oct 21, 2022 19:47
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Hatebag posted:One time i was on a train between munich and nuremberg and some guy tried to just get on the train without a ticket. The conductor came around checking tickets and when he found out he got extremely pissed off and was sort of quietly berating the guy with his face like 6 inches from the other guy's for like 10 minutes til we got to the next station where cops pulled the guy off the train When my family came to visit, they thought the trains in Germany were free because there was no ticketing thing or something. I only found out about this months after they had gone home when they were talking about it. I myself have also rode the train for free - from Lübeck to Köln - by accidentally, yet very strategically, going to the bathroom at the perfect time. Hmm, actually, now that I think about it, I have a lot of stories about interactions with ticket controllers...
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Oct 21, 2022 19:58
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Shadow0 posted:When my family came to visit, they thought the trains in Germany were free because there was no ticketing thing or something. I only found out about this months after they had gone home when they were talking about it. you're under arrest for train crimes
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Oct 21, 2022 19:59
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redneck nazgul posted:you're under arrest for train crimes Seems justice was as delayed as the trains always are.
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Oct 21, 2022 20:03
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no it should be expsnive
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Oct 21, 2022 20:05
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Shadow0 posted:When my family came to visit, they thought the trains in Germany were free because there was no ticketing thing or something. I only found out about this months after they had gone home when they were talking about it. Yeah you can roll the dice and see if you won't get caught. You could probably get away with free train rides most of the time but I was in germany for like a week or 2 and i saw that guy get busted and also some kids on the dresden metro too. I think the ticket said it was something like a 50 to 150 euro fine but i would rather not have some angry german train guy getting up in my face, which is probably the point of berating people like a weird public humiliation thing.
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Oct 21, 2022 20:08
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Cars should be free but make guzzoline cost $1000000 per liter Should take care of public housing and car culture at the same time!
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Oct 21, 2022 20:31
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Hatebag posted:Yeah you can roll the dice and see if you won't get caught. You could probably get away with free train rides most of the time but I was in germany for like a week or 2 and i saw that guy get busted and also some kids on the dresden metro too. I think the ticket said it was something like a 50 to 150 euro fine but i would rather not have some angry german train guy getting up in my face, which is probably the point of berating people like a weird public humiliation thing. I don't know how exciting my ticketing stories are, but I've been: - booted for free before when I misunderstood how my student ticket worked, - hit with a 60 euro fee when the machine wouldn't take my money and I decided to risk it, - and had them actually believe my story that my ticket was stolen or fell or something while I was sleeping (which was true). Never had anyone yell at me though. Though now that I think about it, I do remember a guy yelling for far too long at a large family who didn't have tickets on a bus, so maybe I've just been (un)lucky. A friend of mine would frequently ride across half the main island of Japan for about $4 by buying a platform ticket and then getting off at semi-remote stations where the tickets weren't checked.
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Oct 21, 2022 21:04
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I think mass transit should be free but you have to listen to Latin service the entire time and the Vatican can subsidize it with their blood money
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Oct 21, 2022 21:10
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You want things free??? Like vuvuzuela?? Get a job hippie!!!
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Oct 21, 2022 21:23
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public transit should be affordable only by the wealthy, everyone else shoudl have to walk
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Oct 21, 2022 21:49
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it should be illegal for germans to yell in general and on trains in particular
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Oct 21, 2022 21:54
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once I boarded a bus and said "I'd like a day pass", then I got asked by a bus driver "you want the youth pass, right?" I said "I'm 28." My mom had told me I should get the youth pass. The bus driver shook his head and said "should've taken the youth pass". He was a hero of the people
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Oct 21, 2022 21:58
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Bus fares are free where I live, ama
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Oct 21, 2022 22:12
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sorry kid, wont work in a big country like america. maybe move to france.
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Oct 21, 2022 22:13
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If buses were free people would just take advantage of the system and think of all the rideshare drivers struggling to make ends meet that would be left without an income, often POCs and the disabled just hustling to make ends meet, you goddamn racist ableist
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Oct 21, 2022 22:36
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And don't forget about all the well paid unionized car factory workers who will surely suffer from drop in car sales!
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Oct 21, 2022 22:38
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wrong op
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Oct 21, 2022 22:38
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At least in Australia the ticket price for trains is already effectively 80% subsidised. So I’ve never understood why they don’t just subsidise the rest. Something about, well if it’s free people will use it too much probably. Which seems to miss the point.
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Oct 21, 2022 22:58
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I cannot find the relevant section in Helen Yaffe's We Are Cuba because my ereader can't search for "bus" without giving me every instance of business and Bush in the entire book, but I'm reasonably certain that Castro argued against free busses because people would hop on for two blocks and slow down the route, so they instead charged a nominal fee. This obviously doesn't apply to trains that make stops at set points. Seems to work for the Cubans.
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cenotaph posted:I cannot find the relevant section in Helen Yaffe's We Are Cuba because my ereader can't search for "bus" without giving me every instance of business and Bush in the entire book, but I'm reasonably certain that Castro argued against free busses because people would hop on for two blocks and slow down the route, so they instead charged a nominal fee. This obviously doesn't apply to trains that make stops at set points. Seems to work for the Cubans. Can you search for “bus “ or “bus,” or “bus.“? Usually how I thread that particular needle
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HashtagGirlboss posted:Can you search for “bus “ or “bus,” or “bus.“? Usually how I thread that particular needle I tried and it didn't return any results.
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cenotaph posted:I tried and it didn't return any results. Yeah it all depends on whether your reader will ignore the space or not. Some do and some don’t. Anyway, if you find it I’m curious to read the quote
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HashtagGirlboss posted:Yeah it all depends on whether your reader will ignore the space or not. Some do and some don’t. Anyway, if you find it I’m curious to read the quote Yeah it's a pdf so I tried it in sumatra pdf and firefox and I can't find anything with them, either. You can find download links for the pdf by googling the title if anyone else wants to have a go.
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