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Thief posted:i feel like they pulled some punches in a few ways which is understandable but drat this movie could have been even gnarlier if they were uncompromisingly dark with it because a lot of the comedy still works regardless The only flaw I have with the film, and definitely an instance of this, is I wish more had been done with the cheese grater
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I'm trying to figure out what the "rules" are for deadites and Kandarian demons in regards to daylight. In ED2, they sort of established this rule that the demons only have power at night and they go dormant or whatever during the day. Ash is fully possessed at one point, which goes away when the sun comes out. But then in AoD you have deadites running around in the day, and in Rise they're out in the day again and totally fine. They also seem to be able to just blot out the sun with their demon powers whenever they feel like. It kind of feels like they were setting up a new rule for the demons to follow in ED2 but then just kinda dropped it. I mean the subheading for ED2 was "Dead By Dawn" and they made a big deal about the evil going away with the daylight, but 
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Apr 26, 2023 02:18
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I always figured that whatever animates the deadites just makes up random rules to make it more interesting.
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Apr 26, 2023 02:27
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There's just one Kandarian demon (it's just one demon doing nearly everything you see in every Evil Dead media piece) and it doesn't have rules, just habits.
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Apr 26, 2023 02:34
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imo Evil Dead ~lore~ is sort of arbitrary and irreconcilable because it comes from an era before we had poo poo like The LucasFilm Story Group and fan wikis and all the accompanying pedantry, so as long as there’s some kind of loose effort to keep things a little blurry but otherwise sensible it’s prob fine this kicks rear end, I can’t believe I’ve never seen it. I also can’t believe I never put two and two together that Linda and Scotty are named after their doofy filmmaking friends, especially given ED1 is like the most successful regional horror film ever made—of course it’s gonna carry some of that hometown charm with it
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Chris James 2 posted:The film caught up to that period. The last scene of the film is another resident of the apartment getting possessed before her vacation she's on in the first scene. It's a way of showing that even though the good (Beth and the kid) escaped this part of the world, so did the evil because they didn't really stop it It didn't actually catch up with that time period though. That scene it still before the opening. Like, yeah, I understand how it all works, and that it effectively allows for a potential sequel to bypass the need for an opening where someone reads from the book (something I imagine screen writers would get annoyed by). But it also doesn't avoid that those scenes have absolutely no bearing on the rest of the film -- particularly if no actual sequel materialises from that hook. IMO, in the film in and of itself, it's just random rear end plotting that breaks the rules of classical structure for absolutely no payoff. Tbh it ends up as a detriment to the film, since it means the film effectively has to restart about ten minutes in.
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Kandarian demons just exist to gently caress with people and don't have any "rules," really. Ash is their perfect antagonist because he doesn't give a gently caress about rules either, and barely cares about anything. The funniest thing in the series is the result of them attempting to make a deal with Ash. My ranking (and I weigh a lot towards creativity and working with what you have): Evil Dead 2 The Evil Dead Ash vs. The Evil Dead Evil Dead Demons/Demons 2 Army of Darkness Evil Dead Rise Rise is still "pretty good," but it seemed to miss some of the mark of what the Requel "got." Evil Dead had some perfectly timed humor and fantastic escalation where it started like "generic 2000s horror" and ended up being full out there crazy Evil Dead. it also made it a great movie experience where I started off disliking the movie for not feeling like The Evil Dead to the gradual escalation and then me being all-in. And contained a nice protagonist switch that wasn't entirely expected. This one has tons of gore and stuff and a chainsaw and a boomstick but it was just missing something, and I don't know if it's the setting or basing it around a family or what.
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Darko posted:Kandarian demons just exist to gently caress with people and don't have any "rules," really. Ash is their perfect antagonist because he doesn't give a gently caress about rules either, and barely cares about anything. The funniest thing in the series is the result of them attempting to make a deal with Ash. What's interesting is that it's not the first time members of a family have been pitted against either other by Kandarian demons. Ash's sister, Cheryl, was the victim of the tree in the first film (although I wasn't aware of this relationship until Ash vs Evil Dead), the archaeologist character in Evil Dead 2 encounters her possessed mother, even Linda and Ash have some kind of relationship, but Rise is the first one where those interpersonal relationships have mattered (although maybe the remake did more with this, I really need to rewatch it).
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I felt like the reboot did a good job of exploring family dynamics, too. Mia's brother, David, was in the cabin to help her with her go through her withdrawal period, and deeper family dynamics started to come out their mother had died and he was absent, and the demon posessing Mia plays on this dynamic a lot; i feel like it low-key implies that this might've been the root of her heroin addiction, too.. FYI Evil Dead: The GOTY Edition is out today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wrg54GrpSEU edit: it's also 34% off on Steam, so like $32. discoukulele fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Apr 26, 2023 |
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Apr 26, 2023 16:56
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I was bored rigid outside a couple cool little moments (title card probably was the best). I guess I just don't like the newer films. I'm still with Limmy's trailer reaction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUo1qGukStA
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It was fine. It’s perfectly okay for a cheapmovie that we’re probably lucky didnt go straight to streaming to be a 3/5 star affair. I don’t feel like I wasted my time or money. Probably could have gone harder in a few places but I feel like the inclusion of children forced a bit of taking the foot off the gas of the usual runaway train that is Evil Dead. Resident Evil Dead final boss was a dope change of pace.
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weekly font posted:It was fine. It’s perfectly okay for a cheapmovie that we’re probably lucky didnt go straight to streaming to be a 3/5 star affair. I don’t feel like I wasted my time or money. Yeah, maybe it's the kids (responding to all of the comments after my post). Kids just can't get the same kind of battle damage as adults in movies, so you could feel punches pulled with the kids. Remake had none, so everyone felt brutally even. I was actually hoping the youngest would somehow become this Ash due to glass cutting the sister turning her towards the end, which would have been utterly stupid ridiculous, but fit into the Evil Dead universe, given how goofy Ash vs. got.
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The kids looked like they had a blast, so it’s a shame boring moms who rate movies and run studios can’t get over it and let the kids be gored up
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Were you all not as squicked out by the glass swallowing as I was? That was hosed up and happened to a kid!
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clearly the movie would have been better if they had the little girl turn and say horrible things before the ratking monster but lol also did the cat in the vent survive? 🙀
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Thief posted:also did the cat in the vent survive? 🙀 Yes. I mean, that's what I'm choosing to believe at least and nothing will convince me otherwise. 
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I still haven’t seen it but I read an interview with Cronin and he said yes to that
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I left the theater honestly thinking the cat was deadite-ified and that's who attacked and infected the intro lady but if the director says otherwise I'm not gonna argue
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I rewatched 2013 last night and I still think it's very good and that the drug recovery angle adds some nice thematic weight, but every character suffers from major horror movie stupidity syndrome and it hews a little close to the wave of horror remakes that it was part of in terms of its look and sound. It does turn into a pretty fun thrill ride and has some great splatter, but I think I'd place it in the lower tier.
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Disco Pope posted:I rewatched 2013 last night and I still think it's very good and that the drug recovery angle adds some nice thematic weight, but every character suffers from major horror movie stupidity syndrome and it hews a little close to the wave of horror remakes that it was part of in terms of its look and sound. It does turn into a pretty fun thrill ride and has some great splatter, but I think I'd place it in the lower tier. The original was full of horror movie stupidity syndrome as well, and I felt it was kind of part of the charm. If it wasn't a remake of 1, I probably would feel differently.
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Just saw it. Enjoyable but a little annoyed at the overused of scary violin strings for things that weren't scary and the digital effects. It got better as it went on, there was plenty of visual flair with the split diopter shots and Raimi esque angles. Loved the final Deadite monstrosity. ED2 AoD Ash vs ED 2013 ED1 Rise ED1 I haven't seen in so long that it could easily change positions.
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King Vidiot posted:I'm trying to figure out what the "rules" are for deadites and Kandarian demons in regards to daylight. In ED2, they sort of established this rule that the demons only have power at night and they go dormant or whatever during the day. Ash is fully possessed at one point, which goes away when the sun comes out. But then in AoD you have deadites running around in the day, and in Rise they're out in the day again and totally fine. They also seem to be able to just blot out the sun with their demon powers whenever they feel like. If I'm remembering rightly, it was handled in one of the comic book series. There's the first deadite who's kinda considered king of the deadites to the point other deadites are terrified of him and if his name's said three times by someone pure hearted so he manifests, the daylight prohibition's gone. Guess who managed to say his name the three times when they were back in time...
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Darko posted:The original was full of horror movie stupidity syndrome as well, and I felt it was kind of part of the charm. If it wasn't a remake of 1, I probably would feel differently. What elevated the original from being a generic horror was the creativity Raimi and co. brought to it. You had parts like the Three Stooges inspired blood leaking everywhere in the basement, Ash putting his hand in the mirror and just the kinetic camera work make the original look like no other horror movie at the time. It was just different from everything else.
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I enjoyed this one a lot but I kind of had to laugh at the idea of some priest taking down notes by cutting his own vinyl in the middle of the woods in 1923, all why he’s being attacked by deadites. I know it’s a callback to the reel-to-reel in the original films but still.
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Drunkboxer posted:I enjoyed this one a lot but I kind of had to laugh at the idea of some priest taking down notes by cutting his own vinyl in the middle of the woods in 1923, all why he’s being attacked by deadites. I know it’s a callback to the reel-to-reel in the original films but still. Wasn't he in a mission in boom-era Los Angeles?
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I mean, I assume that was because Danny needed a way to play the recordings, and it'd be a bit of a stretch for a teenager to randomly have a reel-to-reel player in his bedroom. I guess a better solution would've been to move the year that the priest made the recording up to like the 80s and had it on a cassette tape but
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Alright then how would a demon lady put her evil black fingernail on a cassette tape and have the recording come out of her mouth? Can you answer that for me pal?
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oh god oh gently caress posted:Alright then how would a demon lady put her evil black fingernail on a cassette tape and have the recording come out of her mouth? Can you answer that for me pal? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vKH3hPvBrE
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Science is well established
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oh god oh gently caress posted:Alright then how would a demon lady put her evil black fingernail on a cassette tape and have the recording come out of her mouth? Can you answer that for me pal? It's Evil Dead, she could probably just crack the tape open and slurp the tape like a big spaghetti noodle and play it out of her rear end or something. I can suspend disbelief for the deadites, but physical media better make diegetic sense, dammit! e: lol, I just started watching the Half in the Bag about EDR and Mike and Jay have this exact same conversation King Vidiot fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Apr 30, 2023 |
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Yeah that doesn't make a drat lick of sense. Fraid it's gotta be a record
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main thing bugging me is did beginning girl just kinda road trip with it dormant or did the demon decide to play the long game
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Alan Smithee posted:main thing bugging me is did beginning girl just kinda road trip with it dormant or did the demon decide to play the long game I assumed played the long game, but her dickhead boyfriend with the drone mentions drugging her because she was acting up, so there must have been some wackiness.
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Ambitious Spider posted:
Someone else already addressed this, but I felt the same. But I stuck it out and the show really found it's feet. You could tell that at first they wanted to keep the more "serious" elements, but there's a point where it realises what it needs to be and just goes balls out. There were moments in the later seasons where I was thinking "ok, this is it... can't escalate anymore" and then something more insane would happen
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the fight in the sperm bank in the 80s ftw
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Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:the fight in the sperm bank in the 80s ftw Was that before or after the mortuary fight head up the cadaver's rear end with full dick on head action?
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I think after but I’m not 100%
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Glad to hear that this is getting a good reception, looking forward to catching it on streaming whenever that happens. Slightly related tweet: https://twitter.com/dailyshemp/status/1651961236060270593?t=DziQjYF9q0X25h_ucZLWDw&s=19 Has there ever been any explanation or analysis of why Bruce Campbell didn't have a bigger career? Dude is talented and handsome as hell, I would've figured him to break out more back in the day.
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