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Sep 26, 2014 18:30
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KillHour posted:Edit: You mentioned earlier that condoms are required for oral - what would you do if the customer requesting oral was a woman? Does that happen? Probably dental dams, or maybe they just refuse outright.
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Sep 26, 2014 19:08
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Darkman Fanpage posted:How many of your girls are fat?
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Sep 27, 2014 03:17
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Ok, I've said my bit in regards to the use of "girls" v "women/sex workers/other". It's done, let's move on. I'm not trying to ignore the argument, I just think that what everyone has said pretty much covers all the bases. As a recap: CONTEXT IS IMPORTANT Big Willy Style posted:What award are you paid under? Are you full time, casual or permanent part time. If you are full time are you on a salary or a you paid hourly? KillHour posted:If you don't mind me asking, how does your pay compare to a typical salary where you live? How about the workers'? I'm paid per shift, which is the standard in most places. Unlike most places, I am actually on the books and pay tax and all that, too. It's a pretty good wage, works out to over 30k a year, which is what I was earning in a full time position that I absolutely hated me couldn't handle due to health issues, so that's always nice. The girls are essentially here as independent contractors, so they get paid by the client, and pay a portion of that fee to the business as room rent, so what they earn depends on a million and one different things, such as their attitude, their looks, the weather, the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow, etc. Yes, it does happen, we also get clients wishing to perform oral on the lady they book. Dental dams are used in this case, generally, although (stupidly, in my opinion) there is no regulation on barrier methods for fellatio performed on a woman. So while performing uncovered oral (aka "natural" oral) on a man is illegal within the sex industry, no such law exists regarding oral on a woman. A lot of the women I know in this industry would prefer to use dams, but feel like they can't ask it of the clients, as it's not a law, and the clients will try and argue out of it. They also feel pressured because of some women openly offering uncovered oral on themselves, and feel like they have to offer the same to be able to compete, even if it makes them uncomfortable. It's just another example of how the laws in the industry are skewed towards protecting clients, not workers.
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Oct 1, 2014 04:57
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Darkman Fanpage posted:How many of your girls are fat?
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Oct 1, 2014 05:03
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Poopy posted:Hey, wanna word this in a way that is less offensive? If it's an honest question, this is not the way to ask it. Are any of your employees BBW? If so, how popular are they compared to employees who are more conventionally attractive?
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Oct 1, 2014 06:06
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Chichevache posted:Are any of your employees BBW? If so, how popular are they compared to employees who are more conventionally attractive? Thank you. At the current place, not so much. We have a couple of ladies that are size 12-14AU (US conversion is something like 8-10, I think?) so not exactly what would be considered BBW. Most of our girls are size 6-8. The two bigger girls are both very popular, and have worked in the industry a long time. The last place I worked there were a few girls between 14-20, who worked with varying levels of popularity. One of our biggest ladies (size 18/20AU, GG cup breasts) got A LOT of work, partly as she was well known to be a fantastic, fully trained remedial masseuse, and also because she catered to a lot of fetishists (foot fetishes, bdsm, "alternative" girl, breast feeding/nursing fetishes, etc). She has a lot of private clients as well. A few of the smaller big girls were very popular, as most were busty, bubbly, and friendly. Most of them go for girlfriend experience, rather than porn star, not that they couldn't if they wanted to. A lot of people don't seem to realise that in this industry (particularly in brothels), attitude and personality play a huge part in getting booked, sometimes even more so than looks. If you had to chose between a service with a friendly, bubbly, curvy girl that seems genuinely interested in you, or a thin, sullen, pouty lady who looks like she'd rather be anywhere else, which would you choose? In my experience, attitude is everything. Admittedly, there's always a exception to the rule, and some dudes enjoy being treated like poo poo. Also, just as an aside, while I know what you were trying to say, suggesting that bigger women can't be conventionally attractive is still a pretty insulting thing to say. "If so, how popular are they compared to employees who are smaller sized/straight sized/etc" would be the better way to put it.
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Oct 1, 2014 07:32
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Poopy posted:
It seems fairly straight forward that large people are not currently considered conventionally attractive. When the majority of people* picture the most attractive person they can think of, that person will not be overweight. It seems to me saying a larger person isn't conventionally attractive is more a statement of fact than an insult. Bigger woman can be attractive, but to say they're conventionally attractive is just untrue, the convention is clearly young/young looking and thin. There's a reason it's fat fetish rather than fat 'normal'. Smaller sized makes me think of midgets/dwarfs and I would have no idea what straight size is supposed to mean. *North America, Europe
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Oct 1, 2014 12:46
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I would honestly expect someone offering to answer questions about making a living off of the sex work of others to be a bit more laid back about the way people ask questions
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Oct 1, 2014 16:14
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Arnold of Soissons posted:I would honestly expect someone offering to answer questions about making a living off of the sex work of others to be a bit more laid back about the way people ask questions You don't think she should expect respect towards her co-workers because you don't respect their industry? I'm just curious if you worded that the way you meant to. Because it sounds like you don't think sex workers should be offended when someone says "how many are fat, and how do the fat ones differ in popularity from the pretty ones?"
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Oct 1, 2014 18:49
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RZA Encryption posted:You don't think she should expect respect towards her co-workers because you don't respect their industry?  I think pleading for delicate sensibilities when you earn money the same way a pimp does is a bit empty, pls don't project onto me. e: I know there's no coertion but if she does a trick and your pay comes out of that... Arnold of Soissons fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Oct 1, 2014 |
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Oct 1, 2014 22:33
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"Look guys, all I'm saying is that she is simultaneously a pimp and whore, what's the big deal if I talk down to her like she deserves?"
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Oct 1, 2014 22:48
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"Dude, they're only whores. It's not like they're human or something."
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Oct 1, 2014 23:26
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Ok, let's move on and ignore the rear end in a top hat. What would be an amount of customers that would make you say "drat this was a busy day"?
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Oct 2, 2014 01:23
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Serious question: Any instances of incurring a repetitive stress injury from the work? Ever had to make a work cover claim for one?
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Oct 2, 2014 01:26
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Aggressive pricing posted:It seems fairly straight forward that large people are not currently considered conventionally attractive. When the majority of people* picture the most attractive person they can think of, that person will not be overweight. It seems to me saying a larger person isn't conventionally attractive is more a statement of fact than an insult. Bigger woman can be attractive, but to say they're conventionally attractive is just untrue, the convention is clearly young/young looking and thin. There's a reason it's fat fetish rather than fat 'normal'. RZA Encryption posted:"how do the fat ones differ in popularity from the pretty ones?" Arnold of Soissons posted:I would honestly expect someone offering to answer questions about making a living off of the sex work of others to be a bit more laid back about the way people ask questions Arnold of Soissons posted:
RZA Encryption posted:Ok, let's move on and ignore the rear end in a top hat. darth cookie posted:Serious question: For the most part we try not to involve outsiders (for lack of a better word before my first coffee of the day), preferring to handle stuff internally. That goes for a lot of things in the industry, problem clients, potential problem staff, etc. we'll call organisations like RHED or Scarlett Alliance before we call cops or anything. I mean obviously for serious injury or extreme violence the appropriate authorities would be called. Thankfully Medicare exists in Australia, and huge, unexpected medical costs are uncommon.
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Oct 2, 2014 03:25
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Do you ever get guys that come in, have second thoughts and then leave? Are any particular days of the year more 'productive', Valentines Day for example? I am wondering what you think about my experience I had recently. When travelling for work in one of Australia's capital cities, I was put up in a fancy 5 star hotel and decided to get a massage at their spa (I have a poo poo back and lengthy travel makes it worse). I nearly jumped off the massage table when the lady grabbed my junk and asked if I wanted more. I travel a couple of times a year for work but have never come across anything like that before. I mentioned this to a friend that travels nearly every month within Australia and overseas and he said he has never come across it in Australia, but it does occasional get offered in SE Asia. I was pretty incredulous that such a fancy, well-known, place offered this under the table. Is this something that you know about or did I just get a rogue operator? Or maybe I am just really naive!
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Oct 2, 2014 06:51
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A bunch of young women, as their only opportunity for legal employment in the field, are forced by industry wide standards to accept the disadvantageous position of paying to rent a room in someone's business while paying disadvantageous contractor tax rates, which fees are the only source of funding for your own (normal, non-contractor) paycheck. My question for the OP is: why is it taboo or rude for me to point out what you already said? Your income comes from the sex work of others, why be in denial about it? e: oh you are dating one of them aren't you I forgot well no wonder then I guess
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Oct 2, 2014 08:53
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Arnold of Soissons posted:A bunch of young women, as their only opportunity for legal employment in the field, are forced by industry wide standards to accept the disadvantageous position of paying to rent a room in someone's business while paying disadvantageous contractor tax rates, which fees are the only source of funding for your own (normal, non-contractor) paycheck. Jesus christ, did she dump you for them?
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Oct 2, 2014 10:28
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Arnold of Soissons posted:A bunch of young women, as their only opportunity for legal employment in the field, are forced by industry wide standards to accept the disadvantageous position of paying to rent a room in someone's business while paying disadvantageous contractor tax rates, which fees are the only source of funding for your own (normal, non-contractor) paycheck. The difference is that you are acting from the assumption that sex work is Bad For Some Reason Or Another and it shows through your posting. Do you expect serious answers if you were to ask a ditch-digger "hey how is that low-class retard work coming along? What? I was just asking questions!".
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Oct 2, 2014 10:42
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Namarrgon posted:The difference is that you are acting from the assumption that sex work is Bad For Some Reason Or Another and it shows through your posting. Do you expect serious answers if you were to ask a ditch-digger "hey how is that low-class retard work coming along? What? I was just asking questions!". laffing my rear end off at all this projecting A pimp being touchy about what you call the girls she earns a living off of is disingenuous at best, if you don't see that that's your inability to comprehend basic social interaction not my misogyny thank you very much. e: the better analog would be the forewoman of the ditch digger saying "how dare you call them boys diggin that ditch ditch diggers, you have to say "those gentlemen are Roadside Improvement Technicians, (but I don't) and if you don't you are disrespecting the mongoloids I earn a living off, how dare you." (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 2, 2014 11:51
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Poopy posted:It's not necessarily the number of clients, but the money that's brought in. Because we're only a small establishment (3rooms), I have to regularly ask clients to come back later or another day simply because we don't have enough room. It kind of sounds like you're all on top of each other. What is the soundproofing like? Is there a constant background hum of conversations and sex noises? Also, how do the women dress? Lingerie or bathing suits or club wear? Does anyone ever get funky with their look and wear wigs or Goth out or anything like that?
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Oct 2, 2014 11:52
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I see repeated mentions of "problem clients". Have you any stories?
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Oct 2, 2014 12:50
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Arnold of Soissons posted:A pimp The difference between the OP and a pimp is pretty obvious. The OP is like a hunter that pays for a license, hunts in season, and is careful not to harm the environment, a pimp is a poacher that kills whatever it wants, whenever it wants, and leaves the woods a trashy mess. So while both are doing the same thing on a basic level, one way is far better and socially acceptable and the other is reprehensible. This analogy also works for the way people ask questions, guess which one you are.
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Oct 2, 2014 13:37
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What do the rooms look like? In my mind, I can't help but imagine basically a doctor's office, and I'm pretty sure I'm wrong about that. Edit: Do full service places look different? Do they have beds? I'm imagining a full service place to look more like a seedy motel. Again, pretty sure I'm wrong about that. KillHour fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Oct 2, 2014 |
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Oct 2, 2014 15:33
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Arnold of Soissons posted:laffing my rear end off at all this projecting Go away.
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Oct 2, 2014 16:07
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Aggressive pricing posted:The difference between the OP and a pimp is pretty obvious. The OP is like a hunter that pays for a license, hunts in season, and is careful not to harm the environment, a pimp is a poacher that kills whatever it wants, whenever it wants, and leaves the woods a trashy mess. So while both are doing the same thing on a basic level, one way is far better and socially acceptable and the other is reprehensible. This analogy also works for the way people ask questions, guess which one you are. I know you're trying really hard to be sensitive and poo poo, but in your example you literally made sex-workers animals. 
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Oct 2, 2014 16:35
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Aggressive pricing posted:This analogy also works for the way people ask questions, guess which one you are. ICE BURN
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Oct 2, 2014 16:49
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Closing this thread, you're going to have to titter about how edgey it is to call sex workers whores somewhere else. We've established that managing at a brothel is almost exactly as interesting as managing a starbucks, so don't make another thread about it either.
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