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Poopy
Jul 31, 2010
I've worked in the sex industry as a brothel manager and receptionist for the last 8 months, a fact that often bewilders and worries people, because apparently even here in Australia where brothels are legal in most states, people have a serious lack of knowledge and some pretty crazy misconceptions about brothels, sex workers, their legal status, and my morals/dedication to the feminist cause/whatever.
So I'm here to answer all your questions about the sex industry as best I can (for Australian laws, anyway).
I'm at work for the next 6 days straight, and I need something to keep me entertained in quiet moments, so ask away.

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Nitrox
Jul 5, 2002
What are the services/prices?

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

What's the most bizarre fantasy you've had one of your worker's cater to?

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

How do you start working on the management side of things? Do people generally, ahem, "work their way up" or are the management and service sides completely separate?

e: what qualifications and/or background are expected?

Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Aug 27, 2014

Violet_Sky
Dec 5, 2011



Fun Shoe
Were the workers women or men?

Poopy
Jul 31, 2010

Nitrox posted:

What are the services/prices?
Currently working in a "rub 'n' tug" joint, so nude massage, body slide, "hand relief". $120-220AU depending on the time of the service, plus any extras or tips that you pay straight to the girl.


darth cookie posted:

What's the most bizarre fantasy you've had one of your worker's cater to?
Most of our clients are pretty tame, a few like to be tied up, quite a few are into being humiliated. The most bizarre one I can think of is the guy that was a reg at my old job who would book an hour, and in the last 15 minutes he'd pay all of the available girls and the receptionist $20 each to come in and either tweak his nipples hard while the girl he booked stands on his balls in heels.

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

Poopy posted:

The most bizarre one I can think of is the guy that was a reg at my old job who would book an hour, and in the last 15 minutes he'd pay all of the available girls and the receptionist $20 each to come in and either tweak his nipples hard while the girl he booked stands on his balls in heels.

People are weird.

Poopy
Jul 31, 2010

Sagebrush posted:

How do you start working on the management side of things? Do people generally, ahem, "work their way up" or are the management and service sides completely separate?

e: what qualifications and/or background are expected?
Mgmt and service are normally separate. I've not worked on the service side other than a few walk-ins, and have no desire to do more than that (I hate people touching me). My girlfriend started working in the service side and they needed a receptionist and I needed a job, and have since worked my way in to a management role (I still do reception too) from there.

Expectations and requirements depend on the state laws and the individual establishment.
For example, I work in Victoria, where we have some of the strictest regulations. There must be a Business Licensing Authority (BLA) Approved Licensed Manager on site at all times of operation, and in most places that means the receptionists have to be licensed, because the owners/managers don't want to be on-site at all times. BLA licenses are just a online application and a police check (and $330) and last three years before needing to be renewed.

A background in reception is preferable, as well as an excellent phone manner, a non-judgemental attitude, and a strong backbone, because clients will try to gently caress with you (both literally and otherwise).
I've seen people come in with years of reception experience and glowing references, but they don't last because they can't handle the industry. It's not all flashing lights and tanned boobs, there's a lot of long, boring nights and days where you might only have 6 bookings in 9 hours, there are girls with problems (not only drug related, as a manager you hear all of the girls problems, love life, family problems, money woes, etc), and there are some major douchebag clients who you just want to punch right in their smug faces, but instead you smile and shake their hand and send them upstairs.
Basically, long hours, little glory.

Oh, also, being a female tends to increase your chances of getting a job, and before anyone cries sexism, as a male, how comfortable would you be walking up to a brothel (an already relatively uncomfortable situation) to be greeted by a dude? The polls say guys prefer a lady receptionist, and who are we to argue with our clients?

Violet_Sky posted:

Were the workers women or men?
I have only worked with women, though there are at least two places in the city that have males on the books, too.

Lord Windy
Mar 26, 2010
Do you get any religious types picketing or causing problems?

Do you get to do what you like while business is slow? Like mess around on the computers?

Have customers asked for you specifically?

What happens in the event of violence?

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


Is it obviously a rub-n-tug or is there discrete signage?

Do you and your gf talk about work or is your time together as un-worky as possible? And, of course, do your jobs strain the relationship at all?

Poopy
Jul 31, 2010

Lord Windy posted:

Do you get any religious types picketing or causing problems?

Do you get to do what you like while business is slow? Like mess around on the computers?

Have customers asked for you specifically?

What happens in the event of violence?
Nope.

Yup. I spend my day reading books and playing games on my ipad.

Yes, and the answer is always a polite yet firm "no", maybe a jokey "haha you couldn't afford me", but if they push, they get told in no uncertain terms that I do not work in the rooms, only management. Never had anyone push past that.

If a client gets too full on or violent in the rooms there is a discreet panic button which alerts me at my desk (it's a silent alarm), and I go in and deal with the situation. Thankfully I've never had it happen, in my current place we have really great clients that never cause any trouble.


peanut posted:

Is it obviously a rub-n-tug or is there discrete signage?

Do you and your gf talk about work or is your time together as un-worky as possible? And, of course, do your jobs strain the relationship at all?
No, it's just a house in a quiet neighborhood, no obvious signage.

We might share a couple of stories from our day, but we try to keep it as un-worky as possible, yeah. The work itself doesn't strain the relationship, we're pretty open (we're in a polyamorous relationship, we also have a third partner -her husband/my boyfriend), the thing that can be trouble is the long hours and that we work alternating days a lot of the time. For example, at the moment the owner of the shop is away so I'm working 12 days straight, so I'm not seeing much of my family. My girlfriend fairly regularly gets asked to work doubles if the night shift is quiet, so she may not get home until 2 or 3am, and I leave at 7:30am.

Aggressive pricing
Feb 25, 2008
I've been trying to convince my mom to open a brothel for years, what should I tell her?

Captain_Red
Mar 2, 2007
I'm a Captain
What kind of screening do you guys do when hiring ladies? Like Police checks/drug checks ect.

What kind of an introduction do new ladies get, like on there first day?

Safety Biscuits
Oct 21, 2010

Poopy posted:

If a client gets too full on or violent in the rooms there is a discreet panic button which alerts me at my desk (it's a silent alarm), and I go in and deal with the situation. Thankfully I've never had it happen, in my current place we have really great clients that never cause any trouble.

Do you have your own security or would you call the police if you couldn't deal with the situation? How do you get on with the local cops?

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost
Does organized crime try to take a cut, or can anybody start their own brothel with some seed money and a can-do attitude?

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Aggressive pricing posted:

I've been trying to convince my mom to open a brothel for years, what should I tell her?

Tell her to stop giving it away free to everyone.

Marf Revus
Apr 20, 2010

Meh
Do you get customer complaints? What kinds?

For some reason I picture it like a restaurant and someone complaining trying to get comped or a discount.

Poopy
Jul 31, 2010

Aggressive pricing posted:

I've been trying to convince my mom to open a brothel for years, what should I tell her?
I've never opened one from the ground up, I've always worked in well-established places. It's a hard industry to get a foot hold in, and depending on where you live licensing and legality can cause troubles.

House Louse posted:

Do you have your own security or would you call the police if you couldn't deal with the situation? How do you get on with the local cops?
I'd call the police if I absolutely couldn't handle a situation, we don't have our own security (although a lot of clients think we do because I park my motorbike just inside the front gate and they don't expect any of the girls to ride, especially not me, so they think I have some massive muscle behind the curtain in reception). Never had to deal with police in my current job, but at the last place I worked they were loving awful and useless. A client got caught filming a booking without permission (highly illegal), the cops were called, they took the camera and just shrugged and went "dunno what we can do, we don't really know the legal status of something like this". loving useless. Never heard from them again.
Point is, I avoid calling the cops. We don't really have trouble like that here, thankfully.

Applewhite posted:

Does organized crime try to take a cut, or can anybody start their own brothel with some seed money and a can-do attitude?
A lot of the brothels around here are under the thumb of biker clubs, and that poo poo can be scary, especially when your boss decides he doesn't want to pay said bikers their cut anymore, and death threats start getting made to receptionists.
My current place is (I think) the only place in town that is not at all affiliated with organised crime. It's owned and run by an ex-escort, and she runs a very tight ship. I believe when she started out the local club tried to strong arm her into paying protection money, but she is a hardass and refused and somehow lived to tell the tale.

Captain_Red posted:

What kind of screening do you guys do when hiring ladies? Like Police checks/drug checks ect.

What kind of an introduction do new ladies get, like on there first day?
They call up, we organise an interview, they come in and talk and we decide if they'll be a good fit. STD checks are required by law every 3 months, and we have to keep those med certs on file. Otherwise it's just going with our gut. They do a couple of trial shifts, and if they fit in and get bookings, great. If not, we send them on their merry way.

Do you mean introduction to the clients, or to the industry?
To clients it will just be "our lovely new lady *name*, it's her first day" and maybe a brief description if they've called up.
To the industry/shop? If they haven't worked in the industry before the other girls will give them some tips on intros and a quick run down on a basic service, and as a manager I may suggest to a regular client that he book a double with her and one of the more experienced girls so she gets a feel for it with some guidance.

Marf Revus posted:

Do you get customer complaints? What kinds?

For some reason I picture it like a restaurant and someone complaining trying to get comped or a discount.
Not really, our girls are pretty good at what they do, haha.
We get guys every now and then who ask if we offer discounted rates for regular clients (no), or will complain about the prices. I had a new client come in the other day (and it's a semi-regular conversation I have to have) and on hearing the prices told me "oh, but that's not for full service?" No, it's not we don't offer full service here. "Well it's just that I can get full service elsewhere for the same price!"
Now, at this point, it really depends on my mood as to how I reply.
On a good day it will be something along the lines of "well yes, maybe, but our girls are very good at their jobs, they're worth every penny."
On this particular day, however, I was in a foul mood and he was being rude, so I just said "well why don't you go see those ladies then, and stop wasting my time" and walked him out.

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

Poopy posted:

Not really, our girls are pretty good at what they do, haha.
We get guys every now and then who ask if we offer discounted rates for regular clients (no), or will complain about the prices. I had a new client come in the other day (and it's a semi-regular conversation I have to have) and on hearing the prices told me "oh, but that's not for full service?" No, it's not we don't offer full service here. "Well it's just that I can get full service elsewhere for the same price!"
Now, at this point, it really depends on my mood as to how I reply.
On a good day it will be something along the lines of "well yes, maybe, but our girls are very good at their jobs, they're worth every penny."
On this particular day, however, I was in a foul mood and he was being rude, so I just said "well why don't you go see those ladies then, and stop wasting my time" and walked him out.

Haggling over that sort of thing is gross.

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!



How often do you see someone you recognize, and how do they react?

darth cookie posted:

Haggling over that sort of thing is gross.

If you're paying for it, I don't think it adds any creep factor to discuss the price.

Poopy
Jul 31, 2010

AATREK CURES KIDS posted:

How often do you see someone you recognize, and how do they react?


If you're paying for it, I don't think it adds any creep factor to discuss the price.

I've never seen anyone I recognise come in, and a rarely see clients outside of work. I will usually pretend I don't know them and go about my business, which they appreciate.

We have set prices for standard service. There is no haggling on that, and telling me you can get more for less elsewhere isn't going to change that, it just tells me you're cheap and probably not going to book anyway. Haggling for extras prices with girls is also bad form, this is their job, extras are how they make most of their money.
It's not "creep factor" so much as it makes you look cheap and like you don't respect the girls and the job they do.

Storgar
Oct 31, 2011
What kind of "misconceptions" were you thinking about when you mentioned that in the OP? Can you elaborate?

cent0r
Feb 19, 2007
The thought of having to make an appointment for sex is hilarious. I wonder if the guys pop boners like pubescent boys throughout the day of the appointment.

Question: Do the girls set their own limits on what they're willing to do or are there house rules?

Poopy
Jul 31, 2010

Storgar posted:

What kind of "misconceptions" were you thinking about when you mentioned that in the OP? Can you elaborate?

Lots of people see brothels as these dingy, dirty drug dens, they see the girls as desperate, drug-addled, just doing it for money, etc.
There's a lot of prejudice towards both the girls and the clients, that the girls are in some way dirty, and the clients are losers who can't get laid outside of paying for it.
The major thing I find is that people think that sex work is 100% illegal, and also immoral.
I mean sure, certain kinds of sex work (street work, for example) are illegal, but the girls I work with work where they do because they like the work, and they like being able to make money while enjoying themselves, legally.
Just a few I can think of off the top of my head.

Poopy
Jul 31, 2010

cent0r posted:

The thought of having to make an appointment for sex is hilarious. I wonder if the guys pop boners like pubescent boys throughout the day of the appointment.

Question: Do the girls set their own limits on what they're willing to do or are there house rules?

Both. House rules where I currently am are no full service (fireable offence if found out), but that's about it, the girls make their own decisions regarding extras. That's a fairly common practise, where the standard service offered is the minimum the girls can offer, but everything else is up to them. Some places cap the amount girls can charge for extras, but only loosely, so that for longer bookings they may charge a bit more for a service than in a shorter booking.

Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug
For how much would you suck a dick op?

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Illinois Smith
Nov 15, 2003

Ninety-one? There are ninety other "Tiger Drivers"? Do any involve actual tigers, or driving?

Poopy posted:

Lots of people see brothels as these dingy, dirty drug dens, they see the girls as desperate, drug-addled, just doing it for money, etc.
So the girls working at your place like to jerk strangers off for the love of the game?

Safety Biscuits
Oct 21, 2010

Poopy posted:

We have set prices for standard service. There is no haggling on that, and telling me you can get more for less elsewhere isn't going to change that, it just tells me you're cheap and probably not going to book anyway. Haggling for extras prices with girls is also bad form, this is their job, extras are how they make most of their money.

How much do the girls make? How much of that is wages and how much extras?

Poopy posted:

Both. House rules where I currently am are no full service (fireable offence if found out), but that's about it, the girls make their own decisions regarding extras.

Why not?

Lord Windy
Mar 26, 2010
What are extras and what would require extra payment?

Aggressive pricing
Feb 25, 2008
Who cleans the rooms and how often?

Hydrolith
Oct 30, 2009

Poopy posted:

Both. House rules where I currently am are no full service (fireable offence if found out), but that's about it,

Wait, hang on. A brothel where actual dick-in-vagina loving is verboten? How come? (no pun intended)

Poopy
Jul 31, 2010

Illinois Smith posted:

So the girls working at your place like to jerk strangers off for the love of the game?
They enjoy the work they do, yes.
The money is obviously a big factor, as it is in any job, but they wouldn't be doing it if they didn't enjoy it.

House Louse posted:

How much do the girls make? How much of that is wages and how much extras?
Depends on the day. Some days they can walk away with $50, some days they walk away with $600. And that's just for the standard booking, not including extras payments. Girls set their own extras prices, and I don't know what they charge, it's nothing to do with me.

Lord Windy posted:

What are extras and what would require extra payment?
Extras are basically any service above and beyond "standard service", so for where I work it includes things like oral (on the girl or the client), fingering the girl (mutual touching is part of the standard service, but insertion is up to the girls and considered an extra by most), some will charge for kissing (not including a gentle closed-mouth peck every now and then).
In the place I used to work, full service (sex) was an optional extra.

Aggressive pricing posted:

Who cleans the rooms and how often?
Girls change towels and wipe down the showers after each booking, I vacuum and spray down the showers with shower cleaner every evening before going home, everyone pitches in for general cleaning, and it's the girls responsibility to keep the laundry running smoothly so they have enough clean towels for bookings, and I will help out with that if they're quite busy. The boss is looking at hiring professional cleaners to come in a few times a week to do a full clean, though.

Hydrolith posted:

Wait, hang on. A brothel where actual dick-in-vagina loving is verboten? How come? (no pun intended)
We're not a full service establishment, we're a "rub n tug", or "adult relaxation parlour". We only offer nude massage and hand relief. Some dudes don't want full service, they just like a relaxing massage and a handjob. Each to their own. We have a market, and we work with that.

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

Are any of the girls actual, AU certified massage artists or am I focusing on the wrong part of the job?

beanieson
Sep 25, 2008

I had the opportunity to change literally anything about the world and I used it to get a new av

Poopy posted:

I've not worked on the service side other than a few walk-ins

How's that work? All the girls are busy so it's down to you to leave reception to service a dude?

Poopy
Jul 31, 2010

darth cookie posted:

Are any of the girls actual, AU certified massage artists or am I focusing on the wrong part of the job?
We have a few certified masseuses, one of our new girls is a certified remedial massage therapist, but for the most part, it's not the part of the service that the clients are really after.
It does help when you've been hit by a car, though, and they have a bit of spare time :)

beanieson posted:

How's that work? All the girls are busy so it's down to you to leave reception to service a dude?
Not exactly. It happens very rarely, and I don't always agreed to it, but it's usually if a client is super in to busty girls and I don't have any busty girls on, they'll book one of the girls and ask me to come in in the last 5-10 minutes of the booking and get my boobs out and let them touch them while the girl jerks them off. Sometimes it's a client fantasy to have someone walk in and "catch" them with the girl. So I barge in, look surprised, say "oh my god, *clients name*" in a disgusted voice and run out slamming the door. Or I walk in and start talking to the girl about how pitiful the clients dick is, that's a popular one.

Red_October_7000
Jun 22, 2009
If I remember what I've read correctly, in Japan anal is treated differently to vaginal (I think that only vaginal sex is illegal as prostitution in Japan, but that it's available in a roundabout fashion for more or less the same reason the Manhattan telephone directory has about a hundred pages of "escort services"). Is anal sex legally distinct from vaginal in Australia? And what the hell kind of person thinks they need to be so?

Hydrolith
Oct 30, 2009

Red_October_7000 posted:

If I remember what I've read correctly, in Japan anal is treated differently to vaginal (I think that only vaginal sex is illegal as prostitution in Japan, but that it's available in a roundabout fashion for more or less the same reason the Manhattan telephone directory has about a hundred pages of "escort services"). Is anal sex legally distinct from vaginal in Australia? And what the hell kind of person thinks they need to be so?

Well, I know that laws on prostitution vary from state to state... Brothels are legal in NSW, VIC and apparently Queensland. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Australia).

Huh. Apparently it's illegal to advertise anal in NSW, but presumably there's no restriction on actually doing it (and how on earth would they enforce it anyway?)

I get the impression that the "no vaginal sex" thing is a business decision rather than a legal one in this case, though, right?

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

Anal used to be illegal in some states under sodomy laws (definitely in the 50s and 60s, probably until much later than that). As was homosexuality. It was only in the the last couple of years that some states overturned convictions made under those laws. :eng101:

Safety Biscuits
Oct 21, 2010

Blowjobs, too, in some states.

Poopy posted:

Depends on the day. Some days they can walk away with $50, some days they walk away with $600. And that's just for the standard booking, not including extras payments. Girls set their own extras prices, and I don't know what they charge, it's nothing to do with me.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. You said prices were AUS$122-220 per session; how much of that goes to the house and how much to the girls?

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GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005


Poopy posted:

No, it's just a house in a quiet neighborhood, no obvious signage.
How do zoning laws in Australia work with this kind of thing? Who owns the house, is it taxed as business or residential property, do you have restrictions on parking?

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