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ArbitraryC posted:Actually if you stopped being disingenuous for two seconds and read the previous sentences in that very paragraph you'll see that I hint at something that is both another reason (meaning you're "purely" symbollic line is a flat out bald face lie wrt to what I said, there was literally a second reason in that very post) and something that strangely seems to be referencing a woman's perspective might prioritize different issues, the exact point you're trying to pretend I don't believe in because you're being an annoying person. I bundled timing and enaction of policy in with 'policy' because I assumed you'd view 'policy' and 'policy enaction' as the same thing. I apologize. You still haven't answered why you view the differences in perspectives of men and women in other areas as symbolic. ArbitraryC posted:Maybe I was subtly hinting that policy is the important part that has the biggest impact on the most people? So? I'll ask again, simpler; why do you think women should cleave to your standards and reasons for voting? And why is it 'disappointing' when they don't?
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paranoid randroid posted:this is also why, as a christian and firm believer in traditional family values, im voting for a guy whose job is standing in the surf at the beach screaming racial epithets at the waves That's my dad. He's tall.
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Dan Didio posted:No, and I haven't said anything to suggest that it would, or that I would believe it did. The fact that people keep dodging questions and bringing up odd, irrelevant tangents tells me that people here probably aren't arguing in good faith, like me. So what's the point of voting for someone to the right of Thatcher on poo poo that affects women like free health care?
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tall is a good quality for presidents to have. its lets them better admire the sweeping vistas of liberty.
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rscott posted:So what's the point of voting for someone to the right of Thatcher on poo poo that affects women like free health care? What's the point of democracy at all?
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Dan Didio posted:What's the point of democracy at all? To distribute political power in the most ethical way possible
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rscott posted:To distribute political power in the most ethical way possible And how is that ethical distribution of power best achieved?
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liberty, she whispered,
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rscott posted:To distribute political power in the most ethical way possible its actually to make $$$fat stacks$$$
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Dan Didio posted:And how is that ethical distribution of power best achieved? I think we can agree, at least most of us, that the policies Bernie Sanders is advocating for will be objectively better for women, who are more like to be below the poverty line. So there has to be some universal intrinsic quality to being a woman that transcends all notion of class and ethnicity (this I don't doubt) and that quality must be a benefit to governing a nation to such an extent that it outweighs the benefits mentioned above. Given Hillary's connections to the upper echelons of capital in this nation, and her habit of adopting positions based on political expediency I find it hard to accept that as true. So yeah, it would be disappointing as a leftist to see the primary decided by something like that.
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Dan Didio posted:And how is that ethical distribution of power best achieved? with a gun
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Dan Didio posted:I bundled timing and enaction of policy in with 'policy' because I assumed you'd view 'policy' and 'policy enaction' as the same thing. I apologize. You still haven't answered why you view the differences in perspectives of men and women in other areas as symbolic. quote:So? I'll ask again, simpler; why do you think women should cleave to your standards and reasons for voting? And why is it 'disappointing' when they don't? ArbitraryC has issued a correction as of 00:17 on Oct 16, 2015 |
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are you really having that hard a time understanding why women might prefer, out of two candidates with identical positions on a particular issue, the woman
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paranoid randroid posted:are you really having that hard a time understanding why women might prefer, out of two candidates with identical positions on a particular issue, the woman In a vacuum, no, in this particular context, yes. e: well not so much that I don't understand but that I would personally disagree with the reason
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hillarys been a public figure on the topic of womens issues for a long rear end time. shes immediately more recognizable on the issue than sanders. even if sanders positions offer more comprehenisve solutions, hillary still has more cultural clout on the issue and people are going to instinctively cleave to her.
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paranoid randroid posted:hillarys been a public figure on the topic of womens issues for a long rear end time. shes immediately more recognizable on the issue than sanders. even if sanders positions offer more comprehenisve solutions, hillary still has more cultural clout on the issue and people are going to instinctively cleave to her. To me this is a flaw in the system I guess.
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ArbitraryC posted:To me this is a flaw in the system I guess. public perceptions of candidates are frequently not rooted in concrete fact *touches your forehead and awakens your third eye*
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paranoid randroid posted:public perceptions of candidates are frequently not rooted in concrete fact *touches your forehead and awakens your third eye* And is it wrong of me to find this disappointing? We've gone full circle.
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paranoid randroid posted:are you really having that hard a time understanding why women might prefer, out of two candidates with identical positions on a particular issue, the woman Unless that particular issue is electing a woman to a white house for its own sake, yes because economic issues affect women disproportionately, unless this is saying women might prefer Clinton over Obama which I don't think is a bad thing.
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ArbitraryC posted:And is it wrong of me to find this disappointing? We've gone full circle. u must have boundless faith in humanity to still be disappointed in it by this point
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paranoid randroid posted:public perceptions of candidates are frequently not rooted in concrete fact *touches your forehead and awakens your third eye* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD_dACIrQi0
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ArbitraryC posted:In a vacuum, no, in this particular context, yes. Here's the thing, they may be thinking having a woman represented in the most powerful position in the world will trickle down to more success for women candidates at all levels in the future which will lead to more politically powerful people very aware of and in tune with women's issues. I don't know if I agree with that argument, but the point is they aren't just voting for her because all else being equal they prefer a woman. They think this woman will, in the long term, do more for them than Bernie even if his political positions are slightly better. There is a lot more to politics than having the right positions, be disappointed by that all you want, but it's always been that way and is never changing. FuriousxGeorge has issued a correction as of 00:56 on Oct 16, 2015 |
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Veskit posted:I don't think you really have any authority to make this claim. I'm genuinely curious as to why a black person would be happy about Obama's presidency so far. As far as I can tell he's done nothing to alleviate the problems that black people face in modern America and plenty to make those problems worse. I don't feel like an 85% approval rating doesn't mean poo poo when you consider that 90% of all people are stupid as poo poo regardless of their skin color.
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ChairMaster posted:I'm genuinely curious as to why a black person would be happy about Obama's presidency so far. As far as I can tell he's done nothing to alleviate the problems that black people face in modern America and plenty to make those problems worse. We're in bad shape when blacks are satisfied with the Democratic Establishment mantra of "we'll keep you happily on welfare" vs. the Republican Establishment mantra of "we'll take away your welfare" How about, you know, bringing everyone out of poverty?
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ChairMaster posted:I'm genuinely curious as to why a black person would be happy about Obama's presidency so far. As far as I can tell he's done nothing to alleviate the problems that black people face in modern America and plenty to make those problems worse. Basically, there is no black person who has the slightest difficulty picking up on the racism in the Republican stonewalling of Obama.
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Hodgepodge posted:Basically, there is no black person who has the slightest difficulty picking up on the racism in the Republican stonewalling of Obama. I have a number of relatives who don't like him but will defend him to the death if any white people are within earshot.
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EugeneJ posted:We're in bad shape when blacks are satisfied with the Democratic Establishment mantra of "we'll keep you happily on welfare" It's amazing that you believe this
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