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Joementum posted:Martin seems to not understand that the CIA's record in this region has been seventy years of continued failure on a catastrophic scale. I'm just watching this right now, and that was my response to his rhetoric. I was just shaking my head and vacating my bowels. Just come the gently caress on.
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CornflakeS.Pecially posted:Has anyone come up with a proper word to describe a vote for the Iraq occupation? Bernie uses "mistake" a lot, but that seems way to neutral to me. "Blunder" is a little better perhaps, but it also sounds too much like "party foul." But real talk, strategic failure is important to the discourse. The thing about Republicans and Moderate Dems is that they paint their lovely viewpoints as pragmatism. It's how they sidestep the moral issues of unrestrained capitalism or war. Bernie is smart because he deconstructs that false sense of pragmatism. The moral discourse around Iraq is a crapshoot because you end up with people like Hilary who will defend their ignorance or people who believe that the Saddam being a huge piece of poo poo justified their actions. It's harder to argue that Iraq wasn't just really loving awful foreign policy. My Imaginary GF posted:Is Bernie Sanders calling WW2 a foreign policy blunder? Timeless Appeal has issued a correction as of 16:52 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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Timeless Appeal posted:But real talk, strategic failure is important to the discourse. The thing about Republicans and Moderate Dems is that they paint their lovely viewpoints as pragmatism. It's how they sidestep the moral issues of unrestrained capitalism or war. Bernie is smart because he deconstructs that false sense of pragmatism. The moral discourse around Iraq is a crapshoot because you end up with people like Hilary who will defend their ignorance or people who believe that the Saddam being a huge piece of poo poo justified their actions. It's harder to argue that Iraq wasn't just really loving awful foreign policy. Oh yeah absolutely. Really important for Bernie to undercut all that "pragmatism" crap, especially with Hillary basically running on "competence."
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zeal posted:oh man, an undergraduate econ major playing devil's advocate, everybody hold on to your poo poo! where's the devil's advocacy? there's nothing edgy about pointing out america's colossal, unquestionable universal power might come with some responsibility. white house man's burden, if you will. this poster just has some economic shading to add to the idea.
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Vox Nihili posted:You're right, that really only applies to foreign policy, trade policy, and economic policy. Trade policy's the only area where you could realistically make an argument that Obama is closer to Dubya than Bernie.
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Jewel Repetition posted:Trade policy's the only area where you could realistically make an argument that Obama is closer to Dubya than Bernie. Don't forget foreign policy and expanding the surveillance state that was first started after 9/11
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Obama is pretty much Bush Lite. Great taste, less torture.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Obama is pretty much Bush Lite. Great taste, less torture. better rear end than W 
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etalian posted:better rear end than W 
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Barack obooty
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perfectly curved like the death star
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