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uk shot themselves in the leg, arrogant idiots still thinking they're relevant outside of being the gate to eus single market. eu will not become irrelevant, it will just have to move forward to becoming a proper federation like the other superpowers. gently caress eastern europe, gently caress the nationalists.
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english pensioners wanted to get rid of the romanian workers who take all the lovely jobs no englishman even wants. best way to do it is to become romania!
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Sep 28, 2017 17:38
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FisheyStix posted:If there's one thing a Welshman hates more than a englishman, it's another Welshman!! *rolls up sleeves* Absolutely untrue. Unless they're from Swansea.
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Sep 28, 2017 17:45
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Is it true the welsh voted themselves into huge deficits
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Sep 28, 2017 17:47
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Dicky B posted:lol good grief Maya Fey posted:Is it true the welsh voted themselves into huge deficits GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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Sep 28, 2017 17:54
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CountryMatters posted:There are left wingers who dislike the EU too, such as the leader of the Labour party himself. lmao wtf really? that's stupid
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Sep 28, 2017 17:56
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yeah that's bullshit
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Sep 28, 2017 18:11
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Xaris posted:lmao wtf really? that's stupid You have to buy it rather than just taking it (with some exceptions where you can revoke/not renew a license, like railways and such). Also private companies have to be allowed to bid for certain kinds of government contracts. That's about it. The issue with old Labour and EU is mostly that Thatcher was pro-eu which was enough to turn a large part of the older UK left against. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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Sep 28, 2017 18:19
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For railways you are obligated to allow multiple companies to run trains on the same line, and the government cannot have a monopoly on the rail Also for anything else you have to let private companies bid for things so basically any big evil corporation with deep enough pockets get anything they want The EU also loves austerity. Just because insane loser racists also hate the EU doesn't make it nice or left-wing
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Sep 28, 2017 18:32
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Maya Fey posted:Did they decide what to do with EU immigrants yet 1. Kick all the poles out of the country 2. Cut all their social benefits so their poor working class has to shoulder the debt 3. Force them to work for minimum wage in a country that just lost 20% of its value due to brexit and has to get by on even less 4. Act surprised when they start complaining about substandard living conditions and poor healthcare after the had just made it nearly impossible to reenact any social policies because they rich will raise hell about being taxed more.
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Dyna Soar posted:uk shot themselves in the leg, arrogant idiots still thinking they're relevant outside of being the gate to eus single market. congratulations, france is the new entry gate to the EU and will replace the UK easily.
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CountryMatters posted:Also for anything else you have to let private companies bid for things so basically any big evil corporation with deep enough pockets get anything they want That's a bit hyperbolic. If they want to provide their own services according to a contract at a loss then they of course can win most government contracts, but that's nowhere near getting everything they want. If you look at the places with nationalised rail (like say Germany or even London underground for that matter) there are only a few lines serviced by private companies. There is an issue there when the private companies cherrypick the most profitable lines, but ultimately even then it's not a huge issue. e This is of course ignoring the fact that UK does not have nationalised rail in the first place, and that there is a clear legal path to nationalise it within the EU (not renewing licenses for the providers). Private Speech fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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Sep 28, 2017 18:40
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Private Speech posted:That's a bit hyperbolic. If they want to provide their own services according to a contract at a loss then they of course can win most government contracts, but that's nowhere near getting everything they want. I think if you believe that natural monopolies should be exclusively ran by the government for the public good, it is fair to be against an organisation which prevents you from doing so. The EU has other, positive aspects, but it is fundamentally neoliberal and will always eventually side with big business and capitalist interests over the interest of the public good. As a leftist, that can be frustrating, particularly when there is not really any democratic method to do anything about it.
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Lets see, a financial based country with no natural resources or domestic manufacturing dependent on trade with the EU vs an entire continent...
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Oh yeah a lot of their GDP is tied into real estate (which is actually lovely old small buildings) and a 20% loss of value for their currency and an oncoming recession.... lol
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Maya Fey posted:Is it true the welsh voted themselves into huge deficits I believe the voting patterns read that the areas that benefit most from EU funding voted to leave the EU. Cornwall for example gets a lot of funding from the EU and after the results came out there were an awful lot of people from Cornwall asking whether the government would match the £60 million it gets per year... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...n-a7603921.html 
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Sep 28, 2017 18:48
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Oh ya the UK government hasn't even done any quantitative easening to fix their budget shortfalls yet so LOL if you bought in early or right now...
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Sep 28, 2017 18:51
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Olympic Mathlete posted:I believe the voting patterns read that the areas that benefit most from EU funding voted to leave the EU. Cornwall for example gets a lot of funding from the EU and after the results came out there were an awful lot of people from Cornwall asking whether the government would match the £60 million it gets per year... One positive aspect of the EU was pushing countries to actually put some quantity of investment in their more impoverished areas. They weren't really receiving funding from the EU, since they got back less than the UK was paying in to the EU, but that money would at least then end up in Wales or the north or something. The UK government thinks that everyone outside of London is some sort of illiterate bog person, and would have just spent that money on another garden bridge or a London vanity project. They could have done with funding more transport infrastructure and fewer things like the "Football Museum" though
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Magius1337est posted:congratulations, france is the new entry gate to the EU and will replace the UK easily. Looks like its gonna be ireland or, not surprisingly, germany
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Sep 28, 2017 18:58
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lol some people I know just lost 3.6 million and 14 million due to the currency devaluation
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How was the U.K. the gateway to the EU?
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twoday posted:How was the U.K. the gateway to the EU? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...a-a7666816.html https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/25/uk-banks-financial-firms-moving-ireland https://www.verdict.co.uk/which-companies-could-leave-the-uk-because-of-brexit/ https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/03/jp-morgan-jobs-uk-brexit-dublin-frankfurt-luxembourg london is where a lot of non-european companies have their european headquarters in. now everyones moving out because honestly, the uk is nothing compared to the eu single market. Dyna Soar fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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Sep 28, 2017 19:31
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CountryMatters posted:There are left wingers who dislike the EU too, such as the leader of the Labour party himself.
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Dyna Soar posted:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...a-a7666816.html
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Seaside Loafer posted:If it was just bankers getting the gently caress out id be rather pleased about it but its the other stuff like totally loving the economy and prices becoming even more unlivable than they already are that bother me Banking are def the biggest industry affected by brexit, but basically every company with more business in the eu than the uk will at least downsize their presence and move their head office to within eu borders bc of brexit Dyna Soar fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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Sep 28, 2017 20:07
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Seaside Loafer posted:That is bollocks, go do some google. For existing publicly owned services pre-EU you can keep them but if you want to take back ones that are private you have to bid against private corporations. Specifically with trains you also have to allow private companies to use the rails.
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CountryMatters posted:For existing publicly owned services pre-EU you can keep them but if you want to take back ones that are private you have to bid against private corporations. Specifically with trains you also have to allow private companies to use the rails. The thing is that most public companies have advantage in that they can operate at a loss without much trouble, and so can offer better bids. And if you mean bidding for previously private assets, how else would you determine a fair price to pay out to previous owners? Keeping in mind that those owners can be (and quite often with utilities are) fellow EU governments. There is still some amount of eminent domain allowed too, but it's very restricted. e: and yes, among the owners of british public infrastructure in fact are the governments of Spain (Iberdrola - a.k.a Scottish Power), Italy, Germany (Arriva - subsidiary of Deutsche Bahn), Netherlands (RWE, Abellio Trains) and France (EDF, GDF Suez) e2: Thames Water was also somehow owned by RWE in the past  how did that one happen. It's now jointly owned by Canadians, Abu Dhabi and China Investment Company instead. Yeah I don't know either. But it's definitely the Brits that are the champions of public ownership, yep. vvvv Most elections don't have only two parties running, hth. Outside of the US anyway. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Sep 29, 2017 |
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cool new Metroid game posted:also lol at 'the overwhelming verdict of the british public'. 52% of the 72% who bothered to vote sure is overwhelming. please stop owning every single "democratically elected" government in the past 50 years
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I never thought I'd live in a world where the EU and UK weren't things. It's gonna be weird having a bunch of individual european nations again as they get steamrolled by russia.
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