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Cerebral Bore posted:Well how about that, Joe Biden starts self-destructing and the people who stand to gain start sticking in the knives. Who coulda seen that one coming? Everyone, but in the era of Trump nothing is certain. Beyond that, while Biden isn't the only dangerously liberal contender, he is by far the worst of those who have a real shot so watching him implode is a joy for all parties. Edit: and even though I know he is stupidly pig-headed, part of me is still stunned that he's willing to ride or die on the desegregation vs. integration bullshit in 2019. Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Jun 28, 2019 |
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I mean the problem with Bernie's first question is the answer is "Yes." Single payer will raise taxes on the middle class, absolutely. It will cost the middle class much LESS overall because you won't be paying insurance premiums and the cost of procedures and drug prices will plummet, but that question was basically written to give the republicans a soundbyte they can play on loop for the next year and a half and while Bernie's answer sucked at least he was smart enough not to give them what they were asking for and no one's really gonna remember that he was kinda clumsy in how he phrased things next week. I went to a Bernie group meet to watch the debate, it was pretty fun! Kamala shivving Biden in the kidneys was incredibly entertaining and I appreciated the guy who (rightfully) pointed out that his "Deal with Mitch" made the Bush Tax Cuts permanent and how that was absolutely a huge win for Mitch. Biden looked shocked that anyone would even remember what he was willing to sell down the river to make his deals. Bernie was not terribly inspiring tonight, though he clearly won Foreign Policy that was probably the only topic he got the victory on. Everything else was mostly just stepping back and stump speeching while letting Biden hang himself. Which may be a winning strategy this early in the game. I guess we'll see!
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That was Bennet I think who called out Biden on the McConnell deal and that alone put the guy among my top ten candidates running.
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# ? Jun 28, 2019 08:21 |
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I thought these people were simply a D&D stereotype, but someone I like is one of those people who talks about electing a serious progressive because “they’ll call us socialists no matter who”, but also thinks Bernie is a narcissist who needs to go home because he enabled Tump by insisting Hillary didn’t play fair. I have a “centrist piece of poo poo” side to me and even I don’t get these people. There’s a lot of people on the left I don’t get, though, especially when it comes to IDpol. Yeah I thought these “I’m progressive and heavily invested in Hillary” people were illusory figures dreamed up by fatigued Bernie supporters, but they do exist. Da gently caress.
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Craptacular! posted:I thought these people were simply a D&D stereotype, but someone I like is one of those people who talks about electing a serious progressive because “they’ll call us socialists no matter who”, but also thinks Bernie is a narcissist who needs to go home because he enabled Tump by insisting Hillary didn’t play fair. I have a “centrist piece of poo poo” side to me and even I don’t get these people. There’s a lot of people on the left I don’t get, though, especially when it comes to IDpol. Don’t forget the “He’s not even a real democrat!” Crowd.
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# ? Jun 28, 2019 09:17 |
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Pretty good summary of Biden leaning into the punches from Kamala: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/joe-biden-vs-kamala-harris-bussing-and-race-issues/592912/ quote:"I do not believe you are a racist, and I agree with you when you commit yourself to the importance of finding common ground, but I also believe—and it’s personal, and I was actually very—it was hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two United States senators who built their reputations and career on the segregation of race in this country. And it was not only that, but you also worked with them to oppose busing. And you know, there was a little girl in California who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools, and she was bused to school every day. And that little girl was me. So I will tell you that on this subject, it cannot be an intellectual debate among Democrats. We have to take it seriously. We have to act swiftly." Pretty much every news org in the country is running with "Harris killed Biden" Name Change fucked around with this message at 10:29 on Jun 28, 2019 |
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Pretty good summary of Biden leaning into the punches from Kamala: quote:Biden insisted that wasn’t his position. Harris was still able to be bused to schools in Berkeley, he said, because the local government made that choice. “What I opposed is busing ordered by the Department of Education,” he said. I still can't believe someone would say this in 2019.
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# ? Jun 28, 2019 10:29 |
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If media types knew what they were doing every headline would be "Biden: My Time Is Up, I'm Sorry"
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# ? Jun 28, 2019 10:55 |
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Shocking how Biden got dunked on after never being any good at running for the nomination before.
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# ? Jun 28, 2019 11:19 |
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Biden bragging about passing the watered down stimulus and the Bush tax cuts deal is giving me PTSD to Obama desperately trying to cut deals with Republicans at every turn
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Skippy McPants posted:Edit: and even though I know he is stupidly pig-headed, part of me is still stunned that he's willing to ride or die on the desegregation vs. integration bullshit in 2019. I'm not surprised but he is an old white man, after all.
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KIM JONG TRILL posted:It's a lovely question, but I think Kamala is being disingenuous. First off, who "abolishes" their own personal health insurance. That's dumb. Second, if that was what anyone intended the question to mean, why did none of the "Medicare Opt In" candidates raise their hand to that question? Surely if they think Medicare opt in is the path to full coverage and it will convince people to join over time they would want to "abolish" their own insurance to get on that plan. she also claimed she wouldn't meet with aipac at their conference or whatever, and then had a private meeting with them in her office instead. she loves doing that poo poo
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Koalas March posted:I'm not surprised but he is an old white man, after all. I was about to say "even for an old white dude that's a bit much" but then I caught myself.
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# ? Jun 28, 2019 12:12 |
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Joe Biden is basically the avatar of boomer liberalism when the mask finally comes off completely.
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# ? Jun 28, 2019 12:15 |
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If Biden's support doesn't visibly deflate after last night, I don't know what will get people to stop supporting him. He looked and sounded like a confused, angry old man--like Trump without the orange tanning spray.
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# ? Jun 28, 2019 12:41 |
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Biden instantaneously self immolated the second he hit the debate stage, as literally every single self aware Lefty figured he would.
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# ? Jun 28, 2019 12:41 |
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That busing argument was absolutely ridiculous. You're really going to stand on a debate stage, running for the Democratic nomination in TYOOL 2019, and explain to us that no, really, you were FOR busing, just against the federal government using its authority to enforce it? This was literally the Southern segregationist argument--that the states and local governments should be allowed to police themselves in the matter, when it was plainly obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that they weren't.
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# ? Jun 28, 2019 12:43 |
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Has anybody dropped out yet?
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# ? Jun 28, 2019 12:43 |
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bernie not just saying "yes" to packing the court is dumb.
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https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3892837 new thread
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