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| Hold new polls over the next three months to determine the rightful champions of the time period |
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27 | 45.00% |
| Award the months to Nigel McGuinness as recognition for his lengthy quality title run |
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sk posted:keep the months blank but give nigel the Wrestlehut Pioneer Award and send him a plaque JOHN CENA posted:i would like to actually do this it would be funnier if it's outright stated "champion of the month january-march 2008" 12 and a half years later imo
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Oct 8, 2020 11:01
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Leave the months out entirely. The first month of 2008 was April
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Oct 8, 2020 13:52
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IMHO, Dragon Gate and New Japan should not be represented in the potential Jan-Mar 08 polls, as they would not have been there in contemporary times.
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Oct 8, 2020 20:01
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Edward Mass posted:IMHO, Dragon Gate and New Japan should not be represented in the potential Jan-Mar 08 polls, as they would not have been there in contemporary times. dragon gate toured the US with roh at the time and was a visible presence. i could see the argument for discluding njpw though.
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Oct 8, 2020 20:36
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I'd prefer not to do polls for these months, when you have the benefit of hindsight you don't get stuff like Miz and Hager winning the poll.
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Oct 8, 2020 21:29
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re-do the entire champion of the month voting from the beginning of 2008 to present, with the ability to use our future knowledge to influence all the votes
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Oct 9, 2020 00:52
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Paper Lion posted:re-do the entire champion of the month voting from the beginning of 2008 to present, with the ability to use our future knowledge to influence all the votes Hell yeah, now that's a great idea!
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Oct 9, 2020 01:01
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2008? gently caress that lets go 1988
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Oct 9, 2020 12:03
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You know how they say 'Hindsight is 20/20'? The way I see it we now have the ability to view the past with perfect clarity; meaning if anything our votes now are actually more valid than the votes of 2008.
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Oct 9, 2020 12:20
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JOHN CENA posted:dragon gate toured the US with roh at the time and was a visible presence. i could see the argument for discluding njpw though. Dragon Gate was never included in any of the 2008 polls. It's one of the reasons I'd really prefer not to redo polls to fill in the gaps, it's simply not possible to recreate the mindset of the time - even if you restricted the options to those we used at the time (WWE Champ, World Heavyweight Champ, ECW Champ, ROH Champ, TNA Champ and GHC Champ), people would be more likely to vote they way they felt they SHOULD have voted 12 years ago as opposed to how they would have. Basically the first two years somebody else was running the polls (Rick I think) then stopped at the end of 2007, and after 3 months I took over, and the gap is just the way things were. If there were new polls and "results" they'd have to have so many qualifiers added to them to explain they weren't actually real results, I imagine it being a lot messier/distracting than the three blank silhouettes currently there.
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Oct 9, 2020 12:56
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ItohRespectArmy posted:2008? gently caress that lets go 1988 that would be very fun, doing some old rear end years could be very interesting.
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Oct 9, 2020 13:44
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ItohRespectArmy posted:2008? gently caress that lets go 1988 Explicitly doing 2020's 2000 champion of the month would be super fun, but the further you go back the harder it gets to find footage (& once you get to the territories you've also got questions of what's a major title). What would you include? NWA, WWF, AWA, IWGP HW, WWWA (the All Japan Women's title). What was even the top belt in All Japan at that point, because it's before the 3 singles belts were unified to create the Triple Crown? But the footage is the big one imo and it's just easier to get your hands on footage from the 2000s than the '80s online (& even then it's far from complete)
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Oct 9, 2020 14:36
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forkboy84 posted:Explicitly doing 2020's 2000 champion of the month would be super fun, but the further you go back the harder it gets to find footage (& once you get to the territories you've also got questions of what's a major title). What would you include? NWA, WWF, AWA, IWGP HW, WWWA (the All Japan Women's title). What was even the top belt in All Japan at that point, because it's before the 3 singles belts were unified to create the Triple Crown? If you are going back that far it wouldn't be the IWGP title it would be the NWF title for New Japan. All Japan used the PWF title.
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Oct 9, 2020 14:45
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The NWF title was vacant from 1981 to 2003 so it wouldn’t be that. In reality until the IWGP Heavyweight Title and the Triple Crown became things there wasn’t a clear top belt in those promotions: the NWF title was a vanity Inoki thing that few other people won and the three too All Japan titles bounced around in importance and were a thing because they wanted to give all of their top stars a belt to defend. AJW had the WWWA Title but the All Pacific Title equalled it in importance for large periods in the 90s (similar to the World of Stardom/Wonder of Stardom belts right down to the colour of the strap) and the top feud of the 80s never really involved the singles belt: it was Crush Gals vs Dump Matsumoto and friends.
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Oct 9, 2020 14:55
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IceAgeComing posted:The NWF title was vacant from 1981 to 2003 so it wouldn’t be that. Titles weren't the same as we think of them now, true. But I mean, when you run the company, you get a title and make it your title, it's the company's top title. Inoki wanted an outside world championship and he got it. There were other titles, but if we're trying to do territorial era titles and include New Japan, the NWF is kind of the obvious choice in the territorial era. The PWF is basically it as well for All Japan, the United National was Jumbo's belt and the International belt doesn't pop back up until the territories are starting to die and Crockett takes defacto control of the NWA title.
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Oct 9, 2020 15:14
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championships as we know them today came into existence on april 1 2008
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Oct 9, 2020 15:23
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MassRafTer posted:If you are going back that far it wouldn't be the IWGP title it would be the NWF title for New Japan. All Japan used the PWF title. IWGP was first won in 1987 & the NWF belt was inactive (as far as I can tell) between '81 & '03. There was the WWF World Martial Arts Heavyweight Championship but I was assuming that wasn't so major.
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Oct 9, 2020 15:47
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forkboy84 posted:IWGP was first won in 1987 & the NWF belt was inactive (as far as I can tell) between '81 & '03. There was the WWF World Martial Arts Heavyweight Championship but I was assuming that wasn't so major. But the territories were dead by 87. UWF sold, and the NWA title had been controlled by Crockett for years. To go back to when there was an actual NWA board approving champions, lots of territories and champions you are looking at when the NWF title was active.
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Oct 9, 2020 16:05
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here's a compromise: let's just go back to November 1999. Champion of the month, once a This will go on until we catch up to 2008, at which point it'll be super clear what we should do. Venomous fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Oct 10, 2020 |
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Oct 10, 2020 15:21
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Venomous posted:here's a compromise: let's just go back to November 1999. You do realize that under your proposed timetable this project would literally take about 3-4 years to finish?
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Oct 10, 2020 15:29
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Cerebral Bore posted:You do realize that under your proposed timetable this project would literally take about 3-4 years to finish? You're right. Was thinking we'd need to give folks time to watch all the matches, but nobody's going to do that. Once a week it is.
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Oct 10, 2020 15:30
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Cerebral Bore posted:You do realize that under your proposed timetable this project would literally take about 3-4 years to finish? It'd rule.
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Oct 10, 2020 16:10
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Cerebral Bore posted:You do realize that under your proposed timetable this project would literally take about 3-4 years to finish? yeah it'd own
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Oct 10, 2020 16:18
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Benefit of starting in 99 is we could get the classic triple crown in as champion of the month!
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Oct 10, 2020 17:13
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Does anyone here have any plans for the next 3-4 years?
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Oct 10, 2020 19:33
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MassRafTer posted:Does anyone here have any plans for the next 3-4 years?
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Oct 10, 2020 22:29
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Benefit of starting in 99 is we could get the classic triple crown in as champion of the month! Congratulations to November 1999 Champion of the Month The Big Show, with 200 of the 384 votes cast. 150 of the other votes went to Bret Hart, causing a gigantic argument among the posters over SomethingAwful's obvious pro-WWF bias causing the wrong champion to win. This caused the person running the poll to give up and not hold one in December. Vader got the remaining 34 votes.
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Oct 11, 2020 00:34
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Gonna own when we get to peak Attitude Era booking and WWF has like 5 different champs on the poll every month
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Oct 11, 2020 01:48
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Don't forget 99 WCW is peak Fall of WCW too!
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Oct 11, 2020 01:58
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Jerusalem posted:Congratulations to November 1999 Champion of the Month The Big Show, with 200 of the 384 votes cast. dont blame me I voted for Naoya Ogawa
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Oct 11, 2020 02:00
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Jerusalem posted:Congratulations to November 1999 Champion of the Month The Big Show, with 200 of the 384 votes cast. In fairness, Big Show was booked like a loving beast on the night he won the title.
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Oct 11, 2020 08:32
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The poll has ended and we have a clear winner, so starting in November with the January 2008 period we will hold retroactive polls to determine the champion for these months, with a lengthy write up of the champions specific activity for those months. based on past criteria, we will only be covering with the following championships based on poll selections from that time: WWE Championship, World Heavyweight Championship, ECW Championship, TNA Heavyweight Championship, Ring Of Honor World Championship, and the GHC Heavyweight Championship of Pro Wrestling NOAH. These winners will be asterisked in the monthly listing after these retroactive polls are concluded. They will operate under the same rules as the other months of the year, in that the champion must have held the title for one full day of the calendar month AND made at least one recordable championship defense. I will be posting all of the championship title defenses for each month of the polls.
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Oct 16, 2020 13:27
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This sucks
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Oct 16, 2020 14:06
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JOHN CENA posted:The poll has ended and we have a clear winner, so starting in November with the January 2008 period we will hold retroactive polls to determine the champion for these months, with a lengthy write up of the champions specific activity for those months. based on past criteria, we will only be covering with the following championships based on poll selections from that time: WWE Championship, World Heavyweight Championship, ECW Championship, TNA Heavyweight Championship, Ring Of Honor World Championship, and the GHC Heavyweight Championship of Pro Wrestling NOAH. These winners will be asterisked in the monthly listing after these retroactive polls are concluded. They will operate under the same rules as the other months of the year, in that the champion must have held the title for one full day of the calendar month AND made at least one recordable championship defense. I will be posting all of the championship title defenses for each month of the polls. IMO including what is essentially the NXT title & not the Triple Crown or IWGP belts is garbo
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Oct 16, 2020 14:12
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hell I've been lying
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Oct 16, 2020 14:12
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forkboy84 posted:IMO including what is essentially the NXT title & not the Triple Crown or IWGP belts is garbo Those were the titles that were being included at the time.  I know people voted to be able to pick "2008" winners so I guess there's a desire to do so, but again, I think people are just gonna vote for how they think they should have voted at the time and not how they actually did (for those who were around back then, in any case) so it's really not gonna be representative at all of early 2008 WrestleHut, which kind of makes me wonder what the point really is. Are the three blank spaces REALLY that much of an issue for people?
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Oct 16, 2020 14:19
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Jerusalem posted:what the point really is. It's fun to watch & discuss wrestling & this gives people an excuse to watch & discuss some early '08 wrestling, which is why ignoring what WH2k would've included if they did the polls then is a good idea, because you can talk watch other wrestling you've probably not seen & talk about more wrestling.
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Oct 16, 2020 14:34
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Mod Edit: Assuming this was posted to the wrong thread, moved the post.
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I think you meant to post that to the General Discussion thread? I moved it.forkboy84 posted:It's fun to watch & discuss wrestling & this gives people an excuse to watch & discuss some early '08 wrestling, which is why ignoring what WH2k would've included if they did the polls then is a good idea, because you can talk watch other wrestling you've probably not seen & talk about more wrestling. Well forgetting the actual poll stuff for a second, it would actually be kinda neat to have a thread dedicated to a specific year of wrestling, especially if it is to make people aware of cool stuff that was going on outside of the major promotions at the time.
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