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Cabbages and Kings posted:it's 2020 so I'm not saying anything is impossible, but there isn't enough LSD in Vermont to make me think this is a thing that will happen Oh I completely agree, I didn't mean to imply there was anything other than a snowball's chance in hell of it happening.
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DandyLion posted:Except their intent is to get to that point, and then have the SC just declare that in lieu of normal elections the incumbent retains office. That would be so much worse than the Bush v Gore ruling, that there would be an unresolvable constitutional crisis. The SCOTUS is unlikely to end the USA to prop Trump up.
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DandyLion posted:Except their intent is to get to that point, and then have the SC just declare that in lieu of normal elections the incumbent retains office. This isn't really the intent of anyone, it is the fever dream of Trump. The GOP is going through the motions because they don't want to anger Trump, but they would prefer he just concede. He can't get skilled conservative lawyers to waste their time on Trump's tantrum, and so he's stuck with untalented dregs cashing a check. At some point, if Trump hasn't calmed down and realized he's only damaging himself, then they will move on after his cases have all been dismissed.
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DandyLion posted:Its only a matter of time before the argument shifts to, "Democrat votes are invalid because Democrats are traitors and enemies of the state shouldn't be allowed to vote". Literally an argument that was used in 1876.
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Rigel posted:This isn't really the intent of anyone, it is the fever dream of Trump. The GOP is going through the motions because they don't want to anger Trump, but they would prefer he just concede. He can't get skilled conservative lawyers to waste their time on Trump's tantrum, and so he's stuck with untalented dregs cashing a check. Correction: Trump's checks bonuce so no one is cashing checks.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Oh, that's premature. They might try to greenlight something for 2024, but given the lead actor's health and legal issues, I suspect they'd have to re-cast the main role. The only Trump child who could potentially pull off a 2024 win is Ivanka. Jr and Eric are too stupid but she has her father’s instinctual cruelty and grifter cunning. But A) she is a woman and B) she is married to Kushner which means Trump’s base wouldn’t consolidate around her like they did Trump
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nate fisher posted:I keep seeing Trumpers talking about Trump is going to make sure some states (enough to make a difference) miss the 12/08 deadline which will ensure no one has enough EVs. Than it would be handled like a tie. Is this even possible? Missing the deadline only means congress can question and throw out slates of electors if they choose to do so. They could do that anyway, but they set the 12/8 deadline as a pinky-swear promise that they won't if states meet that deadline. The Democrats still control the house. If slates of electors end up being a little late due to shenanigans, the GOP still doesn't have the votes to challenge or reject anything. edit: to make that point even clearer, when a state certifies their electors and those electors then vote, the default presumption under the law is that those votes are valid and must count. The congress can only reject an elector's vote if both houses of congress vote to do so. If both houses fail to agree to throw out one or more electoral votes, then those votes by default do count. The GOP does not have the house. They are unable to "one weird trick" Trump into a 2nd term. Rigel fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Nov 10, 2020 |
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Fart Amplifier posted:That would be so much worse than the Bush v Gore ruling, that there would be an unresolvable constitutional crisis. The SCOTUS is unlikely to end the USA to prop Trump up. I'm 100% convinced that Trump thinks that SCOTUS is in his pocket, though. He probably thinks that his three appointees will automatically vote in his favor, because he views everything as transactional and they "owe" him. That's where the desperation is coming from; Trump thinks that if he can just get something before the SC, they'll scratch his back like he scratched theirs. His legal challenges are just failing to get ANY traction, so people are starting to rant about rigged antifa supercomputers and poo poo.
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Deteriorata posted:No. The whole basis of the Bush v. Gore case was that the deadline was looming and a decision had to be made. If there is any case still pending at the SC by then they'll use the same argument.
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Dr. VooDoo posted:The only Trump child who could potentially pull off a 2024 win is Ivanka. Jr and Eric are too stupid but she has her father’s instinctual cruelty and grifter cunning. But A) she is a woman and B) she is married to Kushner which means Trump’s base wouldn’t consolidate around her like they did Trump Also the whole converted-to-Judaism thing won't go over well with Qanon (who by 2024 will grow to include most of the Republican voter base).
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:I'm 100% convinced that Trump thinks that SCOTUS is in his pocket, though. He probably thinks that his three appointees will automatically vote in his favor, because he views everything as transactional and they "owe" him. His appointees are already saying that they don't think they should throw out the whole ACA before its Republican's job to make legislative action. They aren't interested in making Trump God Emperor For Life.
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https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1326225961738772491 these guys are just loving shameless.
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Covok posted:Trumpers are literally praying to God to get Trump elected. I’m enjoying your face turn in this thread.
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canepazzo posted:https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1326225961738772491 these guys are just loving shameless. This alarms me. Maybe I should take a break from USPOL for a week? I literally don't know how edit: in context it does look like this was not a serious comment, but ffs it's impossible to tell up from down right now with the amount of crazy poo poo being suggested Cabbages and VHS fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Nov 10, 2020 |
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This was intended as a joke, but it's probably bad when everyone listening thinks you are serious https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1326227756263280641
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How are u posted:Yeah, I said "we've known it in the abstract forever". Bush era was 20 years ago, I remember. The Republican party got much worse after Obama was elected. Did they? I mean they got louder and more shamelessly evil but also less organized and more chaotic. W straight up lied his way into the iraq war with the media and almost all the democrats cheering him on. Trump could never have pulled that off in a million years. His legacy will be his court appointments, which fell in his lap from heaven like everything else.
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I just can't understand how people in this thread can see stuff like this and think, "Man trump is really just trying to get some red meat for his merch to sell after he leaves office" This IS a coup attempt.
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:Also I'm pretty sure the winner of the election is the person who gets the most EVs. It doesn't actually have to be a majority; it only goes to the House if there is a literal tie. Otherwise a lot more elections would have gone to the House in ye olden days when third parties who could get EVs were actually a thing. quote:
https://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm If a State fails to appoint electors though that would presumably reduce the total. Either way if it gets to that point we're functionally experiencing a coup.
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gvibes posted:This was intended as a joke, but it's probably bad when everyone listening thinks you are serious This suddenly hits me as to how bad twitter is. This is Pompeo going "ha ha, Trump might win you know? But there's a process and we're following it. Don't worry." He's not defiant here. Yet I took it like Pompeo digging in his heels and saying that there's not going to be a transition, because all I heard was the inflammatory line.
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@jack waiting for Trump to get out of office is pretty silly when he keeps slapping notices on every single tweet he's made for a week now, and still allows Trump's chud bots to get their message across. This combined with a pretty cretinous administration effort to muddy people's perceptions should warrant some kind of escalated action from social media, but I do not see this as likely before January.
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Grondoth posted:This suddenly hits me as to how bad twitter is. This is Pompeo going "ha ha, Trump might win you know? But there's a process and we're following it. Don't worry." He's not defiant here. to what extent is it twitter being bad, and to what extent is it Pompeo knowing exactly what he's doing? the quote in context looks harmless if in poor taste, but to a Qhead it sends a different message entirely. is that an emergent property of the internet, or something pompeo is setting up? edit: from below, I agree with Rigel's take, probably Nitrousoxide posted:I just can't understand how people in this thread can see stuff like this and think, "Man trump is really just trying to get some red meat for his merch to sell after he leaves office" watch the whole ~45 seconds Cabbages and VHS fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Nov 10, 2020 |
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Nitrousoxide posted:I just can't understand how people in this thread can see stuff like this and think, "Man trump is really just trying to get some red meat for his merch to sell after he leaves office" It is not. It is pretty obvious that it was a lame attempt at a joke that fell flat because his audience was extremely serious. His boss is having an explosive humiliating temper tantrum, and if he publicly says that his boss lost, then his life immediately becomes a horrible living hell with the CHUD army focusing their fire on him. There's no need for him to jump on that grenade.
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Cabbages and Kings posted:but there isn't enough LSD in Vermont Isn't Phish from Vermont?
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Nitrousoxide posted:I just can't understand how people in this thread can see stuff like this and think, "Man trump is really just trying to get some red meat for his merch to sell after he leaves office" because the actual video shows it's clearly just a really stupid and tone deaf joke told by an idiot toadie to a crowd of actual serious people to avoid actually answering a question? Because twitter posting quotes mindlessly isn't journalism and just being a loving stenographer????
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ummel posted:Isn't Phish from Vermont? that's the joke. the carpentry team that we had up here doing totally normal (and very solid!) work were randomly talking about wide availability of vials of liquid acid at one point. it's endemic.
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My favorite handsome Youtube lawyer has a new video discussing the current campaign lawsuits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha7iWECm_8E tl;dw what Trump is claiming in the media/on twitter is very different from what his lawyers are saying in court, and what they're saying in court isn't getting them anywhere.
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Rigel posted:It is not. It is pretty obvious that it was a lame attempt at a joke that fell flat because his audience was extremely serious. Sorry, you don't get to joke about the fascism that your boss is doing.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:I don't think people get that this "ooo trump will stay in power" boogeyman is jumping the networks ratings and viewerships. They will milk this he's not gonna leave poo poo till Jan 19th I mean this is the natural end point of calling everything Trump does 'fascist', you can't laugh at how stupid this is, you in fact have to treat it as serious and scary like any day fuckin Jared will lead the loyalist soldiers into the white house to secure the capital. That fear is what they've been cultivating for years and now it's paying off gangbusters because we all knew Trump wouldn't leave without a tantrum, he told us so himself.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:I don't think people get that this "ooo trump will stay in power" boogeyman is jumping the networks ratings and viewerships. They will milk this he's not gonna leave poo poo till Jan 19th To be fair, so far most outlets have avoided direct reporting that might legitimize it and are handling it as "Trump allies do stupid poo poo on the way out."
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Youth Decay posted:Literally an argument that was used in 1876. I suppose it should bring a bit of comfort that we've been here before. But I've only got one life, and I don't want to waste the next 20 years of it dealing with the fallout from this bullshit.
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Youth Decay posted:My favorite handsome Youtube lawyer has a new video discussing the current campaign lawsuits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha7iWECm_8E A gentle reminder that you can file a lawsuit for literally any reason you want. Trump's lawyers are throwing lots of stuff at the wall (from "poll watchers were 20 feet away rather than 15" to "vOtInG bY mAiL iS uCoNsTiTuTiOnAl") and hoping that something sticks
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Nitrousoxide posted:I just can't understand how people in this thread can see stuff like this and think, "Man trump is really just trying to get some red meat for his merch to sell after he leaves office" There is an attempt to subvert the electoral process. It's clumsy, half-assed, and totally incompetent. So until it gets any response beyond being laughed out of court, it's not worth giving concern to. We've known this was coming for months, the ourage is done. Pompeo making a "just kidding... unless you're good with it *wink* *wink*" joke doesn't even matter. It tells me Pompeo is a shithead who should never have power, which I already knew.
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