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I hope the govt is going to donate a big huge amount of money to the Samaritans - what with all those suspended / expelled Labour party members being told to call the Samaritans and people in dodgily clad flats also being told the same, the Samaritans probably can't cope with the demand. catte tax: As I don't have my own kitties nowadays: Blissed out kitty listening to piano https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crhQBz_zctE
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Nah, robberies went up at more or less the exact same rate - they changed the format in 2003 and i CBA integrating the numbers but here's the total burglaries versus total robberies from 1898 to 2003 for England and Wales:  There were some amusing stories of dealers turning to armed robbery to try to pay their unhappy suppliers because they couldn't shift any of their coke at any price, and then immediately getting done or chased off by an angry shopkeeper because it turns out that selling people something they want and depriving someone of something by force are very different skillsets and they were all useless at the latter save for maybe having a couple of lovely Boer war guns and watching too many Guy Ritchie movies, but other than that I can't find any evidence of a large change in property crime patterns. Spalec posted:Was there some sort of major policy shift in the 90s for NYC? What accounts for that massive drop? Given that it was a wave that lasted from the 60s to the 90s, long predating crack, I'd be tempted to go with the ones that involved pollution and combating organized crime groups.
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In case you're not angry enough this Friday evening, here's something to get you in the ACAB mood:quote:A Met Police officer has been sacked after hitting a vulnerable teenager 34 times with a baton. She has learning disabilities and mental health difficulties, and this allegedly trained public servant felt the need to get his jollies by trying to beat her to a pulp. gently caress this piece of poo poo, and gently caress his piece of poo poo colleagues who - tellingly - are not described as "doing anything to stop him". Those loving cowards should also have been fired. Cunts, the lot of 'em.
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Oh no. Oh Keir, no no no. https://mobile.twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1388192637585403908
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for fucks sake just because somebody said he copies farage all the time doesn't mean he has to literally do it.[  We need to improve over last election which is why I am literally doing last election's gimmicks.
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Wait does this mean there is 2% of people who approve of fire and rehire but think it should be illegal?? https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1388093197080047616
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Keir I know you like JOBS JOSB JOBS but have you considered POGS POGS POGS they're the new thing all the kids are raving about.
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It gets worse https://twitter.com/keir_starmer/status/1388164258878435328?s=21
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OwlFancier posted:Keir I know you like JOBS JOSB JOBS but have you considered POGS POGS POGS they're the new thing all the kids are raving about. Remember JOBS Bart? They’re back, in Pog form
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fighting for every vote! *gently pushes bag at arm's length* why are we losing
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CGI Stardust posted:fighting for every vote! *gently pushes bag at arm's length* why are we losing *cuts off his left hand* "There. That's better."
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I would back Jo! to win this fight
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Maugrim posted:I would back Jo! to win this fight She certainly has considerably better form.
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Corbyn, of course, uses his boxing to express vile racism. As is his wont.
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Starting to think not all Oxbridge racists are as canny as each other https://twitter.com/RationalWiki/status/1388191345014095878?s=19
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lol that he got done for having the Anarchist's Cookbook and not all the Hitler Had Some Good Ideas books.
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Tesseraction posted:Starting to think not all Oxbridge racists are as canny as each other https://twitter.com/RationalWiki/status/1388191345014095878?s=19 I'm surprised he wasn't offered a job with Dom Cummings.
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https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1388237452150722564?s=19 Well well. So does this whiplash back next week, or last long enough to land Gove in the big chair
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kingturnip posted:In case you're not angry enough this Friday evening, here's something to get you in the ACAB mood: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/30/four-merseyside-police-officers-convicted-after-assault-and-cover-up
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At least Johnson looks like he's done a couple of rounds of coke in his PR shot.
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Pablo Bluth posted:A bunch of Merseyside coppers were fund guilty of various charges today: The only surprising thing about this is that they were actually prosecuted and found guilty.
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therattle posted:The only surprising thing about this is that they were actually prosecuted and found guilty. Turning off body-worn cameras for any reason whatsoever should be grounds for instant dismissal. Why would they even *have* off buttons? Like in an absolute perfect world maybe they might have a privacy button for toilet breaks but at this point Plod have pretty much forfeited that privilege.
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If cops are stupid enough to do this when they're wearing body cameras, I loving shudder to think what they get away with when they're not.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Turning off body-worn cameras for any reason whatsoever should be grounds for instant dismissal. Why would they even *have* off buttons? Like in an absolute perfect world maybe they might have a privacy button for toilet breaks but at this point Plod have pretty much forfeited that privilege. The reason I've heard given is that the off buttons aren't for the peelers to have privacy while they have a slash/beat the hell out of some kid, but rather because they may enter situations where the victim of a crime needs privacy such as sexual assault, domestic abuse, someone underaged, etc., and they need to be able to turn it off for that. I do not know how true that is and I certainly don't have enough smarts to say whether it's valid or not, though I would suspect given how the cops act we'd do more good than ill by making it impossible to turn the cams off.
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I am not at all sure that there is any situation I would rather be alone with police unsupervised.
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James Acaster is possibly good and not a melt, like all other British comics: https://twitter.com/supermathskid/status/1387508470656782336?s=20 E: I guess I forgot about this: https://twitter.com/lalalogay/status/1346052245180309504?s=20 WhatEvil fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Apr 30, 2021 |
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Spalec posted:Was there some sort of major policy shift in the 90s for NYC? What accounts for that massive drop? Freakonomics goes into this a fair bit. There was a mayoral election and the incumbent threw a load of funding at the cops to get more of them on the streets, hoping to appear tough on crime. That sort of thing takes a while to feed through, so Giulliani won the election and took the credit as the crime rate fell.
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Ms Adequate posted:The reason I've heard given is that the off buttons aren't for the peelers to have privacy while they have a slash/beat the hell out of some kid, but rather because they may enter situations where the victim of a crime needs privacy such as sexual assault, domestic abuse, someone underaged, etc., and they need to be able to turn it off for that. Given what frequently happens when plod meet a vulnerable person the camera should probably start beaming directly to IPCC when they're in their presence. More seriously, the solution to that sort of situation is properly-funded and 24/7 available specialist officers (or non-officers). The beat bobbies job is (or should be) to protect people in those situations from immediate harm and to get them to a safe place where the crime can be properly investigated. Of course even in a perfect world that's not always going to be possible and maybe there are some edge cases where they both need information immediately *and* there is no way to get that information without turning off the camera, but at the very least that should require them to get express permission from a superior with the time and reason the camera is turned off and back on very clearly recorded. Any allegations of misconduct that come up in that time are going to be a problem of course, but like I say at this point they've lost the benefit of the doubt. FWIW the camera system that is used in all pursuit and most area cars in every police force in the country *cannot* be turned off. It starts recording when the engine is started and carries on recording for half an hour after the key is removed. Hilariously this is because somehow American police forces, who got in-car cameras before Europe, somehow kept "forgetting" to turn the systems on, or "accidentally" turning them off, so the Danish company that designed it helpfully made it impossible for all these unfortunate mistakes to happen, despite all the increasingly pointed questions from forces across Europe about ways it might be turned off just so they could make sure they never, ever did that accidentally.
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WhatEvil posted:James Acaster is possibly good and not a melt, like all other British comics: I do think he's a good egg on most issues but he's fallen in line with the panel show melt parade too. He's leaps and bounds better than most of them though.
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Endjinneer posted:Freakonomics goes into this a fair bit. There was a mayoral election and the incumbent threw a load of funding at the cops to get more of them on the streets, hoping to appear tough on crime. That sort of thing takes a while to feed through, so Giulliani won the election and took the credit as the crime rate fell. It also completely ignores that all of the changes in policing in NYC across the 80s and 90s also happened in most other big American cities *without* the same massive reduction in crime (in fact quite the opposite in LA and Chicago), and that violent crime fell - not quite as rapidly, but then not starting from the same heights - in London, Tokyo, and other world cities that had been in the same stagflation-era malaise as New York. The rather simpler (and much less convenient, for all concerned) explanation is that New York (and the others) massively benefited from the financialisation of the economy at massive expense to the rest of the country, causing an effective economic cleansing. You can point at the Lower East Side or Millwall, Park Slope or Notting Hill, and say "Well these were once emblematic of decay but now they're vibrant, young and rich neighbourhoods" and completely ignore that at most 10% of the population of these places lived there in the low times, the rest having been shunted out either by economic pressure or explicit government policy. No problems were solved, no lives were improved, people were just shuffled around to make economic Potemkin villages.
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There are also theories about abortion law In NYC meaning far fewer kids were born into homes that couldn’t support them. Police cameras is an issue quite close to my heart, and here’s my take. Body worn cameras are great if you assume that the footage will be made available to anyone who wants it, in most circumstances. The circumstances where this isn’t true is when crimes are being committed but for just reasons, which I believe to happen frequently. Body worn cameras are an active detriment to revolutionary leftism. Now let’s look at the reality of bodycam. In almost all cases I’ve been even tangentially involved with, body worn camera when in plod’s favour has been used against the defendant. When it isn’t it has a tendency to disappear or, unfortunately, for the defence to not be effective enough in pursuing it. The key issue you have here is that despite protocol and law and blah blah blah that’s a police video camera on a police body going to a police database via police channels. If the police don’t want you to have that footage bad enough and you haven’t got crack lawyers, you’ve had it. Body cameras put you at the mercy of the integrity of the police as a whole. If you’re a moron that might seem fine but most of you aren’t so you’ll see the issue here. I started life as a fairly serious political activist with the opinion bodycams were basically good. I now feel they’re one of the worst inventions for pursuing true justice you could ever invent. Take that for what you will. In terms of alternatives I think you can’t beat a culture of friendly folk recording the filth themselves and making that footage available to defendants.
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Jakabite posted:I started life as a fairly serious political activist i was a baby.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:i was a baby. Covered in blood and poo poo either way.
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We come into this world the same way as we leave, probably without remembering it. New thread now up. 
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