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Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR

kntfkr posted:

we three kings be stealin' the gold

my friends all drive porsches i must make amends

Aw, man, I didn't join the Army to pull paper out of people's asses.

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HORSE-SLAUGHTERER
Nov 11, 2020

H O R S E - S L A U G H T E R E R
THE JOURNEY OF THE MAGI

“A cold coming we had of it,
Just the worst time of the year
For a journey, and such a long journey:
The ways deep and the weather sharp,
The very dead of winter.”
And the camels galled, sore-footed, refractory,
Lying down in the melting snow.
There were times we regretted
The summer palaces on slopes, the terraces,
And the silken girls bringing sherbet.
Then the camel men cursing and grumbling
And running away, and wanting their liquor and women,
And the night-fires going out, and the lack of shelters,
And the cities hostile and the towns unfriendly
And the villages dirty and charging high prices:
A hard time we had of it.
At the end we preferred to travel all night,
Sleeping in snatches,
With the voices singing in our ears, saying
That this was all folly.

Then at dawn we came down to a temperate valley,
Wet, below the snow line, smelling of vegetation;
With a running stream and a water-mill beating the darkness,
And three trees on the low sky,
And an old white horse galloped away in the meadow.
Then we came to a tavern with vine-leaves over the lintel,
Six hands at an open door dicing for pieces of silver,
And feet kicking the empty wine-skins.
But there was no information, and so we continued
And arriving at evening, not a moment too soon
Finding the place; it was (you may say) satisfactory.

All this was a long time ago, I remember,
And I would do it again, but set down
This set down
This: were we led all that way for
Birth or Death? There was a birth, certainly,
We had evidence and no doubt. I had seen birth and death,
But had thought they were different; this Birth was
Hard and bitter agony for us, like Death, our death.
We returned to our places, these Kingdoms,
But no longer at ease here, in the old dispensation,
With an alien people clutching their gods.
I should be glad of another death.

You Are A Werewolf
Apr 26, 2010

Black Gold!

Mister Speaker posted:

Aw, man, I didn't join the Army to pull paper out of people's asses.

Tell me, my man, what is the problem with Michael Jackson?

Ograbme
Jul 26, 2003

D--n it, how he nicks 'em

Mozi posted:

was there ever a three stooges short where they were the three wise men? seems like a missed opportunity if not
Not cool, dude. The Stooges were down with all sorts of slapstick and antics, but they would never stoop to blasphemy.

A Fancy Hat
Nov 18, 2016

Always remember that the former President was dumber than the dumbest person you've ever met by a wide margin

LARRY: Hey Moe, they're saying this baby's the Son of God! You think that's true?

MOE: Just help me pick up all this myrrh, wiseguy!

CURLY: Hey check it out, this horse has a hunchback!

MOE: I'll give you a hunchback! Get over here, you knucklehead!

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
There was a 4th, that got lost along the way.

He spent his life searching for Jesu, having to trade his gifts along the way.

He found him in the end, witnessing him carrying his cross to Golgotha.

Mozi posted:

was there ever a three stooges short where they were the three wise men? seems like a missed opportunity if not
There's an old Radio Drama called The Three Wise Guys that'll fit the bill.

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pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Cubone posted:

idk what actual christian theologians say, there's probably books and books written exploring this, but the real answer is it was probably just widely accepted at the time that there was something magic over there, so when the story was written it didn't seem weird, right?
afaik it's a pretty common thing in human history for cultures to regard certain foreign cultures with which they have limited contact as having mastered some unexplained mystical knowledge or practice (for a while the west saw the middle east and later india this way, and I want to say traditionally japan saw china this way)

there's like a whole school of bible studyers that just try to figure out what in the bible is historical record and what's made up (like, sans religious belief)mand my understanding is they think basically the whole story of jesus' birth is hosed, because the idea that the romans made mary and joseph return to their homeland for tax purposes or whatever doesn't make sense and isn't based on anything we know of roman law, and it's also extraordinarily convenient because it establishes jesus as a descendent of king david which was a requirement to be the messiah or something. wouldn't be at all surprised to learn the people who wrote the bible just had folk beliefs about their neighbors the way we used to think shaolin monks could float and poo poo

source: heresy, hearsay

It's more to place his birth in Bethlehem specifically

Micah 5:2
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

The idea that the Romans were forcing people to return to their ancestral towns to be taxed is basically absurd. The Romans wanted stable provinces and to receive tax revenue. Making everyone travel to their home town to pay taxes is just... stupid. Travel was perilous, and if it was well known that everyone had to travel to their hometown at once to pay taxes (i.e. carrying a bunch of coinage or valuable goods to pay the taxes with) there'd be brigands anywhere. Plus people wouldn't go. Oh Joseph? Of Bethlehem, naw I'm uh... Bob, Bob from accounting.

Some of Jesus miracles were more credible than that idea.

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