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Herman Merman
Jul 6, 2008

Hajotus Maximus posted:

This is pretty interesting, because the ham-fisted way that the Russian Empire tried to russify Finland in part gave birth to the idea of Finland as an independent nation.
Amplified the idea of Finland as an independent state apart from the Russian Empire for sure, but the Finnish nationalist aspirations started already in the 1820s, and the Russification policies that resulted in significant pushback only started in 1899.

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Herman Merman
Jul 6, 2008

psydude posted:

The Russian language thing was always a red herring. Khvarkiv and Odessa are Russian speaking regions, and Russia has had no qualms about indiscriminately bombing civilians there. Same thing goes for Mauripol.

It was never about protecting the rights of Russian language speakers. It was always about using it as an excuse to invade Ukraine.
Yes, from Russia's perspective, but that's not my point. The minority whose rights were infringed by the language policies weren't Russians but rather Russian-speaking Ukrainians.

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

My reading was that he's saying that his initial reaction was, like most of us, "haha oh my god, what the gently caress are the Russians doing?" followed by him thinking "oh, something like this did work before, in a different context." And what I took to be his belief, without any comment on the validity of Ukraine's right to defend itself, that Zelensky and the Ukranians are being used as a convenient sanding block to wear down one of the west's major geopolitical opponents.

If you want to disagree with someone, it is important to address what they are saying, even if you think it is stupid or wrong, rather than make up an argument you want them to have made. Otherwise you may as well get your G.I. Joes out and have them argue.

Just a little genocide that nobody will hardly even notice! Who even talks about the Armenians anymore?

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