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Dawgstar posted:I've seen folks begging the working-class actors to make sure to check any contracts and refuse AI scanning this that's still in play. It's okay, though, they'll just take it up at the next union negotiations! Okay is in air quotes. What's the rationale for refusing? Isn't it free money if they use you?
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Pinterest Mom posted:What's the rationale for refusing? Isn't it free money if they use you? If they scan you once they can use your image forever and don't actually need you on-set. Or to pay you again.
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Dawgstar posted:If they scan you once they can use your image forever and don't actually need you on-set. Or to pay you again. Well, they don't need to pay you again, they could just scan you and throw the scan in the trash, but they do need to pay you again if they want to actually use the scan in any way. That's one of the key pieces of the contract, that any use of digital replicas needs to be authorised by the person who got scanned for that specific use (so there can't be a blanket clause in a contract "WB can use my scan for any future project", they need to come back to the performer for every project they want to use it in), and paid as if they actually did the work. https://www.sagaftra.org/files/sa_documents/DigitalReplicas.pdf
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Dec 6, 2023 16:55
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So how mad is Justine Bateman?
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Pinterest Mom posted:Well, they don't need to pay you again, they could just scan you and throw the scan in the trash, but they do need to pay you again if they want to actually use the scan in any way. That's one of the key pieces of the contract, that any use of digital replicas needs to be authorised by the person who got scanned for that specific use (so there can't be a blanket clause in a contract "WB can use my scan for any future project", they need to come back to the performer for every project they want to use it in), and paid as if they actually did the work. But what if a company uses the scans to make “Actor X” who is a Cronenburg amalgamation of different actors who consented to getting scanned? Does it count as a new entity and they don’t need to pay the actor anymore since they’ll say it’s not their specific scan they’re using?
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Hell, they’d probably try to argue that just digitally touching up “your” brows in post is enough to count as a wholly separate creation that they don’t need to compensate you for way before that point
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SgtSteel91 posted:But what if a company uses the scans to make “Actor X” who is a Cronenburg amalgamation of different actors who consented to getting scanned? Does it count as a new entity and they don’t need to pay the actor anymore since they’ll say it’s not their specific scan they’re using? That's specifically called out as "if you ever start doing that, we'll have to negotiate about it", but there isn't an agreement either way. Realistically, if that becomes the way that movies are made, the big studios are just as hosed as actors and writers. A contract with the studios just isn't the venue where you can prevent OpenAI and other startups from playing in this space. Regalingualius posted:Hell, they’d probably try to argue that just digitally touching up “your” brows in post is enough to count as a wholly separate creation that they don’t need to compensate you for way before that point The contract covers this. They can't alter digital replicas without consent (except for normal post-production stuff), or create amalgams of different actors without consent.
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https://twitter.com/sagaftranews/status/1744789298543829066 Congrats on your absolutely useless waste of time strike, SAG-AFTRA. Well done all around  The agreement is ostensibly about guidlines and safety regarding the technology, but this still feels like the given inch that precedes the mile. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Jan 10, 2024 |
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All the voice actors I follow are pissed. https://x.com/blumspew/status/1744854178869211228?s=20 Happy Landfill fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Jan 10, 2024 |
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nine-gear crow posted:https://twitter.com/sagaftranews/status/1744789298543829066 I was primarily focused on the outcomes for the film/TV end of things given the primary focuses of the basic agreement but as both an on-camera and voice actor (who voted no on the "groundbreaking" new agreement) who was on the picket lines for the bulk of those 118 (and change, with WGA before that) days I am absolutely furious and completely baffled by everything about this utter horseshit. The new agreement already had me seriously rethinking my relationship to this industry (as in where and how I could still do my job as an actor and still retain full autonomy over my face/body/voice/likeness) but this is seriously just super hosed.
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What are the actual details of the contract? What's objectionable about it?
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Pinterest Mom posted:What are the actual details of the contract? What's objectionable about it? And any use of AI will normalize it, which will be the end of actors acting.
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LividLiquid posted:It allows the use of AI, presumably. Replica Studios doesn't need SAG's permission to use AI, it isn't in SAG's power to "allow" or disallow them to use AI. Without this agreement, Replica would simply be using non-union VAs, and paying them less.
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The DGA and AMPTP have revised part of their contract??? The DGA, who famously did not go on strike, have now gotten parity with the WGA and SAG contracts on the streaming performance bonus and data sharing provisions that the WGA and SAG won after their strike. It feels for all the world like the DGA got a side-deal last spring where they agreed to back the AMPTP, and in return got assurances that they'd get whatever the other unions won in their negotiations.
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John August, former WGA board member, speculates the AMPTP don’t want the DGA to have a huge win in two years when they negotiate first. They want to be a modest negotiating pattern that they can put on SAG and WGA.
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