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At 12:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, WGA East and WGA West members went on strike, beginning the first Writers Guild of America strike since 2007-08. According to the WGA, the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers were unwilling to discuss minimum staffing, the establishment of viewer-based streaming residuals, the use of artificial intelligence, and full pension and health contributions for writing teams, among other issues. It is estimated the strike may last at least four months. This thread is designed to discuss the strike, its impacts on TV and film, and also post broken Twitter links because that's where we're at. Updates from the website Deadline are here
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Conan should do the ring spin gag on the next episode of his podcast. You know, like old times
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May 2, 2023 15:12
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very basic explainer of demands in this https://twitter.com/adamconover/status/1653272585252257793
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May 2, 2023 21:21
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Appreciate the Late Night hosts stopping their shows in support. That's good poo poo right there. I hope they get everything they're demanding. In fact, I hope they get more.
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May 2, 2023 22:04
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kliras posted:very basic explainer of demands in this I love Adam Conover. Like, I was just having an argument with a friend of mine about this, who was a bit confused, but kind of against the writers striking because he selfishly wanted his content to continue. I sent him this, and he replied, "Oh, but see, the studios agreed to training sessions to fix the problem… ok yeah, go writers"
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May 2, 2023 22:06
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Happy Landfill posted:Appreciate the Late Night hosts stopping their shows in support. That's good poo poo right there. It's not strictly 'in support', although I'm sure folks like Meyers would do so. Just because those shows aren't fiction doesn't mean they don't have writers. With the guild on strike, the shows can't get made.
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May 3, 2023 01:09
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Happy Landfill posted:Appreciate the Late Night hosts stopping their shows in support. That's good poo poo right there. https://twitter.com/skobos/status/1653411437836943362
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May 3, 2023 01:28
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The only show I'll miss during all of this is Last Week Tonight.
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May 3, 2023 01:35
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Take 'em for everything you can, writers.  Happy Landfill posted:I hope they get everything they're demanding. In fact, I hope they get more.   
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May 3, 2023 01:52
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https://twitter.com/JosephBarnhurst/status/1653272779222061056?s=20
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May 3, 2023 02:21
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I assume the first one will be purposefully leaning into the gimmick and the novelty of it being kinda nonsense.
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May 3, 2023 02:31
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Also Sarandos was bragging that Netflix can source content from outside the US to plug gaps, so I'd actually doubt it'll be them.
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May 3, 2023 02:37
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Boycott any chatgpt poo poo if they try it. Support the Writers!
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May 3, 2023 02:48
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Gaz-L posted:Also Sarandos was bragging that Netflix can source content from outside the US to plug gaps, so I'd actually doubt it'll be them. The joke is now Netflix is being unforgivably delayed in shows they'll cancel.
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May 3, 2023 03:35
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So what can a non-writer, non-entertainment type do support the strikers? Looks like WGA has a pretty hefty strike fund (good) and some designs for use on social media. Anything else I should check out?
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May 3, 2023 03:44
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Hawkperson posted:So what can a non-writer, non-entertainment type do support the strikers? Looks like WGA has a pretty hefty strike fund (good) and some designs for use on social media. Anything else I should check out? I guess don't watch anything made during the strike if you're a Nielson household or on streaming or in the cinema. Prove that scab or non-scripted content doesn't draw eyes. There's plenty of stuff that's still airing that was made before the strike so there's some leeway
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May 3, 2023 04:34
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mutantIke posted:Conan should do the ring spin gag on the next episode of his podcast. You know, like old times Link
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May 3, 2023 05:17
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Hawkperson posted:So what can a non-writer, non-entertainment type do support the strikers? Looks like WGA has a pretty hefty strike fund (good) and some designs for use on social media. Anything else I should check out? Probably not that much other then not supporting any content that is made during the strike without the writers. Kind of like how there's not much someone not involved can do with any union strikes. The people striking actively hurt the bottom line of the executives and networks, so it forces them to negotiate to find a solution. Although I guess it also hurts the people striking since they are not working either.
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May 3, 2023 06:12
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the big thing with strikes is, aside from publically supporting it in general, the best thing you can do is let the strikers and the unions be your guide on how to engage. If they want or need help with something they have channels to reach out. A lot of people decide that if a given place is striking then they should also boycott it, but that can actually be counterproductive. So just keeps your eyes and ears open.
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May 3, 2023 06:33
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https://twitter.com/jostewart/status/1653502306615283730?s=20
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May 3, 2023 07:16
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If someone uses scab writers or AI, I'm pretty sure we'll hear about it. As it stands, the only show I could imagine using scab labor is Gutfeld!, so nobody here needs to worry just yet.
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May 3, 2023 07:25
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Edward Mass posted:If someone uses scab writers or AI, I'm pretty sure we'll hear about it. As it stands, the only show I could imagine using scab labor is Gutfeld!, so nobody here needs to worry just yet. Gutfeld is a non-union production already.
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May 3, 2023 07:31
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Alan Smithee posted:Link https://youtu.be/Vkj7heLZAsc The ring gag comes somewhere around the 10 minute mark. He did this every episode
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May 3, 2023 07:32
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Timby posted:Gutfeld is a non-union production already. Well, there we are.
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May 3, 2023 07:32
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Neil Gaiman (gross) did a pretty good post on how to support the strike if you're a bystander https://www.tumblr.com/neil-gaiman/716253676074942464/hello-ive-seen-you-posting-detailed-information
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May 3, 2023 07:37
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fez_machine posted:Neil Gaiman (gross) ???
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May 3, 2023 11:08
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Also isn't Neil just boosting a post by Diane Duane?
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May 3, 2023 11:37
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 to be entirely fair the article concludes that GPT generated stuff is not as good as an actual comedian, but it even hedges that
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May 3, 2023 13:31
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Beeftweeter posted:
Imagine working in news and then writing this.
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May 3, 2023 13:35
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Open Source Idiom posted:Imagine working in news and then writing this. it is mindbogglingly tone-deaf lol
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May 3, 2023 14:34
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https://twitter.com/adamconover/status/1653499169041010711?s=20
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May 3, 2023 15:27
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Adam Conover seems like a cool dude, and I'm glad WGA has people like him among their ranks advocating for them.
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May 3, 2023 16:58
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always hated this mf an update I guess: https://twitter.com/skobos/status/1653771741540253701
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May 3, 2023 17:01
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The studios went into this strike knowing full well they weren't negotiating jack poo poo. 2022 was jam-packed production-wise, more so in the last few months. Multiple episodic shows shot seasons back to back, something that's never done, just to cram in as much content as possible going into a strike. Hopefully, the public begins to realize this turbo fucks many many working-class job positions all over basic job protection, against massive corporations that saw record profits in these last few years especially. I think public backlash is going to be the leverage because they planned and stockpiled for this scenario this time around. Not to mention that the production pipeline for most things isn't what it was in 2007 (back then the majority being write, shoot, air, write, shoot, air..with a lead time of a few episodes) so studios have more stalling power. The AI thing is just wild...instead of acknowledging hey yeah, the output of those things loving suck and need to be fixed anyway, and nothing it does is legally copywriteable so it's a massive headache to even use it above board...they just said "we'll meet up once a year to talk about this"..what does that do? "hey guys, isn't this ai stuff neat? see you next year"
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May 3, 2023 17:15
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Yeah, some of the wider pay stuff in the proposal vs offer sheet Conover posted is what you'd expect: Union says one figure, management says a lower number, in theory you can meet somewhere in the middle. But a ton of the points were either 'management refused and won't offer alternative' or poo poo like that AI thing where it may as well be saying no and not offering any alternative.
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May 3, 2023 19:13
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a great longer-form explanation of just how bad the residual terms are for streaming (spoiler, it's orders of magnitude less) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79p9bt3DXqE i also forgot hbo memory-holed friggin westworld because they didn't want to keep paying residuals; this poo poo's a hat-trick of fuckery affecting both the present, future, and past https://twitter.com/natums/status/1602765363480907777
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May 3, 2023 19:13
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Its wild how little residuals and royalties are now. Back in the forties my great-aunt used to perform at piano bars and night clubs in LA. A certain old school country music artist happened to be there one night, liked the song, and bought the rights. Our royalties are split between 2 of us (long story) but I tend to get $500-$1,000 bucks annually for it.
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May 3, 2023 19:28
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What? That can't be right, the last one happened in Oh noooo I'm old now
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May 3, 2023 19:59
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Are there any breakdowns on where the studios make their money? I know nobody but Netflix makes money in the streaming game, so I'd guess linear television is still important on the bottom line.
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May 3, 2023 20:44
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Edward Mass posted:Are there any breakdowns on where the studios make their money? I know nobody but Netflix makes money in the streaming game, so I'd guess linear television is still important on the bottom line. Ad sales, selling off their content for streaming and syndication.
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