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Some people also seem to be driven by the team sport approach where they don't seem to be as committed to any principle if it conflicts with Their Guys winning, be they a party, movement, or country. Ties into the aforementioned "USA bad therefore USA enemy good" approach I think.
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Feb 29, 2024 20:39
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OwlFancier posted:Some people also seem to be driven by the team sport approach where they don't seem to be as committed to any principle if it conflicts with Their Guys winning, be they a party, movement, or country. Ties into the aforementioned "USA bad therefore USA enemy good" approach I think. Same with those 'if you don't vote Starmer Genocide Party, you're a tory enabler' folk.
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Feb 29, 2024 20:42
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WhatEvil posted:The other thing is that arguably the second most important political axis is the authoritarian/libertarian axis. Part of it is that most of the more clued-in right-libs are just yet another flavour of authoritarian, except that they favour corporate dictatorship rather than government dictatorship. I don't think that there's much of a true, coherent right-wing equivalent of leftie libertarians/anarchists that's just as serious about resisting authoritarian power structures of all kinds.
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Feb 29, 2024 20:43
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Yeah, and also explains the willingness of christian fundamentalists to worship donald trump and the globalist haters going ga-ga for elon. Doesn't matter if they represent everything you hate, they're "your guy" so it's great.
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Feb 29, 2024 20:43
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One horseshoe that is kind of true, though not particularly useful, is what Naomi Klein (fine) talks about her latest book - how the conspiracy loons get the facts wrong but the feelings right. They feel there's something wrong with the world (true), the status quo isn't doing them or their friends any favours (true), things are controlled by powerful unaccountable people who don't have their best interests at heart (true), but then they go off in completely the wrong direction about the specifics. Meanwhile, the centrists are unlike either "side" because they're sitting in the middle going "this is fine" or "America is already great". I say it's not useful because, while the far left and far right are more alike in that sense than either is like the centrists, the consequent actual worldview and actions that flow from it are so unalike as to make it more of a twisted S-shape. Guavanaut posted:Like some kind of skunk Anansi? I appreciated this
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Feb 29, 2024 20:48
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Bobstar posted:One horseshoe that is kind of true, though not particularly useful, is what Naomi Klein (fine) talks about her latest book - how the conspiracy loons get the facts wrong but the feelings right. They feel there's something wrong with the world (true), the status quo isn't doing them or their friends any favours (true), things are controlled by powerful unaccountable people who don't have their best interests at heart (true), but then they go off in completely the wrong direction about the specifics. Yeah absolutely. So you didn't say the word but this is populism. Left-wing and right-wing populists actually have a lot of thoughts in common right until you get to the "who are the elite that's loving everything up" part. Specifically the left actually have a point, and the right is just twisted whackjob poo poo. The left think the elite are those with power and money (same thing) and that things would be better if we took some of that power away. The right think the elite are like, left-wing academics (and actually just all academics) who are telling them that things need to change. Oh scientists say that if we ban guns then we'd have less gun violence? It's a conspiracy! They just want to take our guns so they can eat our babies without us being able to resist!!! And it all gets lumped into this thing where people have a bad reaction to people trying to make things more equal like "fighting white privilege" where you get this thing where white guys get to thinking "I'm white! They're coming for me specifically!" when actually it is (or should be) about breaking down the power structures that ensure that people of colour don't get the same opportunities as white people do. Left and right-wing populists get lumped in together because it helps the right delegitimise left-wing populists, but it's not actually at all a helpful or useful thing to do because even though a lot of the fundamentals of the thinking are the same, yeah, they split off at a point and go in completely opposite directions. WhatEvil fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Feb 29, 2024 |
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Feb 29, 2024 20:56
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I feel like there is a significant contingent of centrists who do think everything is poo poo but their takeaway is "well we can't do anything about it, it's supposed to be poo poo, if you think otherwise you're a baby" Which also seems like a very bad response to recognizing that things are poo poo. Wonder why they get on well with the other people who have a bad response to that idea?
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Feb 29, 2024 21:00
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both sides are extremists like old hitler and antisemitisms germany croburns slitherings not like us sensible pragmatic griffindores dumblebum thinkers and women have willies and men have fannies and herminoieie put her finger up harry potter's fluffy bumhole as he thrusted awa....
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Feb 29, 2024 21:28
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Hey so I need a cheap, decent-ish graphics card as my current one seems to be broken. Is there any place you can buy these second hand without getting scammed?
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Feb 29, 2024 21:48
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OwlFancier posted:I feel like there is a significant contingent of centrists who do think everything is poo poo but their takeaway is "well we can't do anything about it, it's supposed to be poo poo, if you think otherwise you're a baby" And alongside the well-known smugness of being Big Sensible Adults who Know How Things Really Work, this also has the "advantage" of placing you on the winning team most of the time. Can't be owned by meanie lefties if you always bet on things getting worse *head tapping meme*
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Feb 29, 2024 21:53
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SixFigureSandwich posted:Hey so I need a cheap, decent-ish graphics card as my current one seems to be broken. Is there any place you can buy these second hand without getting scammed? Yes, but do you actually need a 'decent' gaming one or one that'll just not poo poo itself playing youtube?
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Feb 29, 2024 22:20
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Bobstar posted:And alongside the well-known smugness of being Big Sensible Adults who Know How Things Really Work, this also has the "advantage" of placing you on the winning team most of the time. Reminds me of the coordinated outrage at the SNP during the one of the Scottish parliament elections where the Cons, Lab, LDs and much of the media expressed outrage at the strategy of trying to win votes by proposing making people's lives and experiences better. A real tone of accusing them of underhand tactics or bad gamesmanship - in fact I'm sure I remember an OpEd literally saying that it wasn't fair and tantamount to cheating at politics. Everyone knows that sensible, realistic, grownup politics is never about making things better, and certainly not for ordinary people who may actually vote for you. Donors and corporate friends with spare seats on their executive boards; now that's quite a different matter. I mean, the SNP are hardly paragons of virtue and ethics but it was a real drawing-back-the-veil moment.
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Feb 29, 2024 22:20
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https://twitter.com/finalgrlcomplex/status/1762962467750060118
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Feb 29, 2024 22:26
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Feb 29, 2024 22:28
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Nadine lost the bag of drugs https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1763191158107144483
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Feb 29, 2024 22:47
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Tesseraction posted:Yes, but do you actually need a 'decent' gaming one or one that'll just not poo poo itself playing youtube? Some gaming but not 4k ultra graphics or anything
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Feb 29, 2024 22:50
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SixFigureSandwich posted:Hey so I need a cheap, decent-ish graphics card as my current one seems to be broken. Is there any place you can buy these second hand without getting scammed? CEX offered a two year warranty when I bought a second hand 1080 so they are probably worth a shot
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Feb 29, 2024 23:01
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BalloonFish posted:Reminds me of the coordinated outrage at the SNP during the one of the Scottish parliament elections where the Cons, Lab, LDs and much of the media expressed outrage at the strategy of trying to win votes by proposing making people's lives and experiences better. A real tone of accusing them of underhand tactics or bad gamesmanship - in fact I'm sure I remember an OpEd literally saying that it wasn't fair and tantamount to cheating at politics. Everyone knows that sensible, realistic, grownup politics is never about making things better, and certainly not for ordinary people who may actually vote for you. Donors and corporate friends with spare seats on their executive boards; now that's quite a different matter. Happened to Corbyn as well. It's because if you tell people you can make their lives better you're lying to them because if it was possible to make their lives better then it would mean they'd get mad at us because we haven't made their lives better
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Feb 29, 2024 23:01
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If you aren't Scottish you might not have heard of Police Scotland's latest impressive fuckup. Over a week & a half ago a guy was found dead in woods near the small town of Aberfeldy in Perthshire. Police investigated & declared it non-suspicious. Except MEs discovered he had been shot. Some real good detective work there. So hey ho, now the crime scene wasn't sealed off and a bunch of evidence will have been lost. Oopsy
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Feb 29, 2024 23:57
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fuctifino posted:I think I can now see why people who I used to know and who portrayed themselves as advent lefties are now flag-shagging nazis. None of them were really firmly rooted in their beliefs back then, and they've also had over a decade of social media brainwashing to alter their views. I think many of them were more in love with the social aspect than any ideology. If however - like Galloway I suspect - the attachment to socialism is based on factionalism around who they consider 'their people,' then it's much easier for them to slip into another ideology if that one suits them and their group better. I think most people in this thread are coming at it from the former perspective, which is why it can be hard to understand someone being socialist but also transphobic or islamophobic etc.
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Mar 1, 2024 00:03
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Could we have a new social and political metric that's easier to understand?.... something like "Is a oval office" and "Isn't a oval office"? e: oops, I forgot to post this: https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1763208511498961183 This is going to be something that's going to echo around the UK as councils/housing associations find out their housing stock is in danger of collapse. I live in a 1975 pre-fab ex council flat (now belonging to a faceless housing association), and I've watched cracks form in the 7 years I've lived here. I'm sure superKeith will have a plan fuctifino fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Mar 1, 2024 |
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Mar 1, 2024 00:06
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forkboy84 posted:a guy was found dead in woods near the small town of Aberfeldy in Perthshire. Police investigated & declared it non-suspicious. the cops did it OP
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Mar 1, 2024 00:50
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kecske posted:the cops did it OP It's more likely to do with Prince William's murder rampage tour
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Mar 1, 2024 00:51
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forkboy84 posted:If you aren't Scottish you might not have heard of Police Scotland's latest impressive fuckup. Over a week & a half ago a guy was found dead in woods near the small town of Aberfeldy in Perthshire. Police investigated & declared it non-suspicious. Fortunately, though, the evidence implicating one or more of the police officers has also been lost, so that's fine
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Mar 1, 2024 01:12
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Galloway's team saying he's crushed it and Ali not showing up for the count apparently
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Mar 1, 2024 01:30
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hey is this the thread where i post how much i loving hate thames water
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Mar 1, 2024 02:10
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because after 6 hours of no water in my building and getting basically zero help from them or my building manager and having to help some poor sub-contractor being given wrong/outdated info before finding out it's in fact the whole block affected i loving hate them a lot right now
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Technically now that would be the spring thread but it does mention thames water being poo poo so yes please mention them being poo poo cunts there.
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