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sup QJ and 67. and fold pre flop! -kalensc
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EC10 posted:fold pre flop! If I fold in live play all the Greeks and Armenians will make fun of me 
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Mar 14, 2007 03:25
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EC10 posted:sup QJ and 67. and fold pre flop! I'm a bankroll nit, not a "committed to a chart of good poker hands" nit, you silly goose. 
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Mar 14, 2007 03:46
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Spechel EDD posted:If I fold in live play all the Greeks and Armenians will make fun of me durrrr
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Mar 14, 2007 03:54
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kalensc posted:I'm a bankroll nit, not a "committed to a chart of good poker hands" nit, you silly goose. A nit is a nit is a nit, okay?
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Mar 14, 2007 03:58
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p0isonxfree posted:A nit is a nit is a nit, okay?  Am I doing this right?
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Live 1/2 at Star City Sydney, I've been rather tight and only shown-down the best hand so far. New guy at the table who's shown to be very loose passive raises to 5 in MP, 4 callers ahead of me, I'm BB with 57o I call the 3 (2 in the BB sorry) and the flop comes 666, all checked around, turn 4 SB checks I lead for 20 representing a 4x boat, all fold except the initial raiser. At this point I put him on a weak pair and I'm willing to give up unless a 7 river, the river comes the case 6 and I lead for 45, MP calls and shows AJ and I muck. Am I meant to give up on the river or fire another shot knowing full well unless he has a high card 5 I'm beat at showdown? solbaid fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Mar 14, 2007 |
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Mar 14, 2007 06:58
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Spechel EDD posted:I raise 98s in MP to $35 after some limpers before me. Both Blinds call. Limpers somehow fold (its live play like wtf they never fold!!! ) I probably shove since it's a very drawy board so calling would be really bad. BB is probably on a draw but if SB is a big nit there's a good chance he has a straight, so I suppose folding is ok.
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Mar 14, 2007 08:23
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Spechel EDD posted:Line check Super easy fold imo, I dont even like T9 on this board vs these guys.
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Mar 14, 2007 08:33
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solbaid posted:Live 1/2 at Star City Sydney, I've been rather tight and only shown-down the best hand so far. New guy at the table who's shown to be very loose passive raises to 5 in MP, 4 callers ahead of me, I'm BB with 57o I call the 4 and the flop comes 666, all checked around, turn 4 SB checks I lead for 20 representing a 4x boat, all fold except the initial raiser. At this point I put him on a weak pair and I'm willing to give up unless a 7 river, the river comes the case 6 and I lead for 45, MP calls and shows AJ and I muck. Fold preflop, c/f river.
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Mar 14, 2007 08:35
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deaders posted:Fold preflop, c/f river. Assuming 100 BB stacks, I think in the BB with 4 callers that getting in cheap with an off-suit 1-gap connector is fine as long as you don't donk off money when you hit a single pair. With this many people in and for this cheap a price (solbaid said the raise was to 5 but then called 4, was the raise to 5 or 6?)it's almost an any 2 cards call for me in the BB, looking for 2-pair or better. One condition of the call though is that you can't donk off chips like happened in this hand. If anyone thinks this is retarded, please chime in because it very well may be. Definitely c/f the river though.
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Mar 14, 2007 09:09
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solbaid posted:Live 1/2 at Star City Sydney, I've been rather tight and only shown-down the best hand so far. New guy at the table who's shown to be very loose passive raises to 5 in MP, 4 callers ahead of me, I'm BB with 57o I call the 4 and the flop comes 666, all checked around, turn 4 SB checks I lead for 20 representing a 4x boat, all fold except the initial raiser. At this point I put him on a weak pair and I'm willing to give up unless a 7 river, the river comes the case 6 and I lead for 45, MP calls and shows AJ and I muck. This is a train wreck of a hand. Fold pre casino, star city is a rip off, you'll get a better edge playing blackjack in all seriousness. Preflop is probably a fold. On the turn, fold, why are you trying to rep a boat? People never fold full houses, so whats the point? The lead on the river... I know what you're trying to do, but why.
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LuckySevens posted:This is a train wreck of a hand. Fold pre casino, star city is a rip off, you'll get a better edge playing blackjack in all seriousness. Preflop is probably a fold. On the turn, fold, why are you trying to rep a boat? People never fold full houses, so whats the point? The lead on the river... I know what you're trying to do, but why. I think folding 3 into 27 is insane. On the turn I lead because the table was generally so passive a flop bet would've been a near certainty had someone held a pair, and because of the image I had at the time. The river I can only assume he called with a weird slow-played boat on the turn and unless it's AA he can't call. I agree though about that being a hand not to donk off chips on unless I get lucky on the flop, that's a lesson learned.
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Mar 14, 2007 09:39
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I folded but sb had 99 and bb had KcQc wtffffffffff nits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mar 14, 2007 10:00
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solbaid I don't mind your preflop call, but everything after it is an abortion. Calling minraises (basically) against a bunch of limpers with a one gapper is fine. Hope you hit 2 pair or better and make some bucks. If you miss on this flop though, throw it away. Don't try and rep a boat, since we all know the zeebo theorem and nobody can fold a boat. You are bluffing yourself against someone that is just going to call down and make you cry.
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Mar 14, 2007 10:24
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Thanks for the help guys, makes a lot of sense now.
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Mar 14, 2007 10:33
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Spechel EDD posted:Line check I think this is a definite fold. Bottom two on this board might as well be A9 no clubs. You're going to be behind most of the time and a checkraise here is not a bluff and a semi-bluff at worst. Maybe A7cc/AJcc and then you have to essentially flip for your stack. Strong Sauce fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Mar 14, 2007 |
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Mar 14, 2007 12:32
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Mar 15, 2007 05:35
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I've been playing a 1/2 6-max table for a couple orbits and have very loose reads on some players. Villain appears to be pretty solid, although perhaps overly aggressive, TAG. Donk McGee is typical loose passive fish. Donk McGee calls from UTG, Villain raises to $8, CO folds, Button folds, I hold JJ in SB and call, BB folds, Donk McGee calls. Flop comes up A  J 2, I check, Donk checks, Villain bets out $24 (into $24 pot), I call, and Donk folds.Turn comes Q , Villain bets out 37 (into $74 pot), I tank and bet out $112. Villain folds. Should I call and CRAI the river? I was thinking that if I called here and open shoved a blank river he would call with Ax thinking I had a busted flush, but then I also thought that if he's playing a draw aggressively, or has AK/AQ/AJ I should take him in right here. Thoughts?
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Mar 15, 2007 14:04
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Not raising that turn is madness, because half of the deck is either kind of scary to you, or will eliminate your chances of CRAIing river because villain will check behind. The open push a blank river strategy has its merits, but I think it's better to just raise turn.
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Mar 15, 2007 15:19
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Open pushing river is not going to get many calls unless you're image to Villain is someone who could possibly do this with a missed draw. If you open push a blank river you're not going to get paid off too often when you're ahead. CR the flop or turn here seems to be the standard move. Hell leading out here on the flop is golden if he has AK/AQ/AJ here. However, it is almost always wrong to c/c c/c the flop and turn with a set given how drawy the board is becoming. Strong Sauce fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Mar 15, 2007 |
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Mar 15, 2007 16:33
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Darius posted:Thoughts? What are the stack sizes? It'd be nice to know how much we're trying to get in. I think I would 3-bet pre-flop. As played I don't think I would check two streets with this board. You have a set with an ace on the board, and in these situations I like to try to get the money in before any scare cards can come. I like C/R flop, lead turn, especially if the villain likes to C-bet. AK, AQ and obviously AJ will probably come along on the flop, as well as hearts. I think there's probably more value in trying to stack these hands than in picking off bluffs from other ones. As played I guess you might have gotten more value from a worse hand with a turn call, but I don't think that picking off bluffs should be your goal with this hand.
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Mar 15, 2007 20:44
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http://cakepoker.com/HandHistory/?Hand=xcTDwsTFxcHFwcTExMfMw4jFxsPFwcU%3d I have AA with the A Been playing against this guy for like an hour, he hasn't really done anything too crazy. I think I can fold to a river push pretty easily, but should I raise the turn? Honestly I was pretty lost when I played the hand, since there are a fair number of draws but at the same time I think he'd play a set or AQ like this so I'm having trouble putting him on a hand.
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Mar 17, 2007 20:19
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Xyven posted:http://cakepoker.com/HandHistory/?Hand=xcTDwsTFxcHFwcTExMfMw4jFxsPFwcU%3d fold preflop in all seriousness, somehow i doubt he is checkraising 3-barrelling with something you beat unless he has balls the size of Australia.
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Mar 17, 2007 21:25
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faarcyde posted:fold preflop I'm not asking about the river, that's an easy fold especially after the flush draw comes in, the hard part is the turn. Fold call or shove. I really have no idea 
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Mar 17, 2007 21:29
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Xyven posted:http://cakepoker.com/HandHistory/?Hand=xcTDwsTFxcHFwcTExMfMw4jFxsPFwcU%3d push turn every time as played you can fold riv usually but call sometimes for sure
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Mar 17, 2007 21:30
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Xyven posted:Fold call or shove. I really have no idea At 2/4 I see that move a lot by either a combo draw or a made but susceptible hand like 2 pair. The turn is such a blank I prob shove every time given that you aren't ridiculously deep, and the his range is heavily on the side of AQ/QK/JK/J9/Clubs+gutty/etc, with a slice of two pair or set. As played, on the river every draw or semi-strong hand is ahead but AQ and KJ (neither of which I think bet the river), so I dump it.
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Mar 18, 2007 00:39
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Shove turn, smells like a draw to me.
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Mar 18, 2007 02:03
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Cactus Jack posted:Shove turn, smells like a draw to me. Am I the only person who thinks that shoving turn with TP nearly 200BB deep against a competent opponent is kind of stupid?
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Mar 18, 2007 03:11
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Xyven posted:http://cakepoker.com/HandHistory/?Hand=xcTDwsTFxcHFwcTExMfMw4jFxsPFwcU%3d You played it fine. And if he's playing AQ this way he's obviously a big fish. edit: I like a push on turn on any non-club if the stacks were smaller.
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Two hands that I played live, 1/2Euro PL Hold'em so I apologize for the lack of neat hand histories. 1st hand. I have AQo in the SB, lady in MP limps. Folds to me in the SB and I raise it to 10. BB (who is my friend) calls me, lady in MP also calls. Approx 30 in the pot. After the raise I have approx 75BB. I have both of them covered I believe. Flop is 89Qr. I lead out for 25. My friend in the BB pops me to 75. Lady in MP kind of contemplates but decides to fold. I ??? My only read on him is that we would not do this on complete air and has connected with the flop (although I don't know how strongly). Also assuming the lady in MP had called the raise (she doesn't seem very tricky but she might call with something like top pair medium kicker), do I fold or push there? 2nd hand. I have moved to a new table. My stack now is about ~120BB. I have JJ UTG and I limp, intending to pop it if anyone decides to raise. MP player raises to 7, all fold to button who pops it to 25. The BB looks at his cards and makes a quick call. Person in MP I don't put on a good hand. If he has a big pair he would have raised to 10 instead of 7 (in this game whenever someone has a big hand they always want to reraise max b/c they don't want 7 other people to the flop calling him). So my range for him was medium pp to suited connectors. The guy on the button I played with before at my previous table. I felt that he raises with a ton of garbage but when he reraises he will have a hand 95% of the time. Guy in the BB I have played before, my read is he minraises when he flops really good hands and a chaser. I think his quick call is 22-TT. In this situation I can't actually push, the maximum I can reraise to is bout 155. So my only option now is to call or reraise. What is my action? If I reraise here to 75-100(?) do I call a push? Is there any amount that I can reraise that doesn't essentially commit me to the pot? Do I just call here and get more aggressive if an ace or king doesn't flop?
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Mar 18, 2007 13:47
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1st hand: Fold. I wouldn't worry so much that you're folding a really good hand for that flop, seeing as you are three players to the flop, and for him to do this with air would be quite a coup. The only legitimate raising hands are hands that beat you, and you will see 88/99/JT very, very often. 2nd hand: JJ is a bad hand to do a limp-raise with, as it's semi-strong. Do it with suited connectors and big hands (AA, KK, possibly QQ in a wild game), or rather not at all. It has to be a VERY wild game if you are able to do this with JJ without losing a lot of value the instant you get called. As played I would not raise back here. Just call and hope you flop a set, which will give you a strange image if shown down.
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I generally wouldn't raise with AQo from the SB, I don't think you want to create a huge pot with AQ out of position. I mean I'd do it sometimes if the opponents folded too much postflop but in general I would stay away from making raises that are probably going to get called when you're out of position with a hand that generally doesn't make huge hands and makes big second best hands. As for the actual hand that's pretty read dependent. From his perspective, if you have two high cards, it looks like the flop probably missed you. He could just be trying to take it away from you. Does he think on this level? Is he capable of this? If so he could have complete air. If I knew you c-bet a lot it's something I would do but I dunno if he would. If you don't think he would raise you without a real hand then it's probably a fold. As it is at this point since you've only got, what, about 75E left if you call this, I think it's pretty much push or fold and I think what you do depends on your read. Actually yeah I just reread the post and he raised before MP had acted so yeah I think Loveboat is probably right, it's probably a fold. It would be different if she folded THEN he raised. Maybe your decision would be the same but it would at least be something to think about. I also completely agree with Loveboat about the second hand, the limp reraise with JJ line made me go "Uh...what?" Stefan Prodan fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Mar 18, 2007 |
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blah_blah posted:Am I the only person who thinks that shoving turn with TP nearly 200BB deep against a competent opponent is kind of stupid? they're 150 bb deep and xyven has AA, not TP 
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EC10 posted:they're 150 bb deep and xyven has AA, not TP Sorry, I meant one pair. And they are more like 170BB deep. But my point, such as it is, is that putting in like 140BB on this blankish turn after getting checkraised on the flop seems not so great to me. It makes sense to raise there some of the time. Maybe he folds a big draw or calls with a big draw, and maybe you stack KQ and AQ. But a lot of villains won't checkraise those TP type hands, and certainly a taggier one's checkraising range is closer to set/2p/big draw/occasional air-ish hand, and against this range you probably are just sticking in a lot of money with not so great equity. The usual disclaimers in the post are that I've never played this high for an extended period of time and I'm not familiar with the dynamics of Cake, but I have played a fair bit of NL200 and when I try this line they usually have it. I think calling turn, calling a good river (low pairing card, ace), flipping a coin if it comes a blank, and folding most other rivers is pretty good.
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Hand #1077011512000220: Pebble Beach (6-Max) 11512 Seat 3: MossEm (6.45 in chips) Seat 4: The Outlaw (9.50 in chips) Seat 5: Keystoned (20.30 in chips) Seat 6: KiteSurfer (7.25 in chips) Seat 7: jstocknoff (31.00 in chips) Seat 9: Raging Ron (24.40 in chips) MossEm: posts small blind $0.25 The Outlaw: posts big blind $0.50 Dealt to Keystoned [ 7d Td ] Keystoned: calls KiteSurfer: folds jstocknoff: folds Raging Ron: folds MossEm: calls The Outlaw: checks *** FLOP *** [ 6c As Js ] MossEm: checks The Outlaw: bets $0.50 Keystoned: calls MossEm: calls *** TURN *** [ Ac ] MossEm: checks The Outlaw: bets $0.50 Keystoned: raises to $3 MossEm: folds The Outlaw: calls *** RIVER *** [ 4s ] The Outlaw: checks Keystoned: bets $4 The Outlaw: calls *** SHOW DOWN *** Keystoned: shows [ 7d Td ] (Pair of Aces) The Outlaw: shows [ 2c Jd ] (Two Pairs, Aces and Jacks) The Outlaw wins $16.15 with Two Pairs, Aces and Jacks My thinking. This table has been very aggressive and eratic and I am not too afraid of the ace. I call on the flop planning to make a move on the turn and take the pot. When a second person calls on the flop it worries me just a bit, however every other time he has shown an ace he has pushed preflop as he has been playing very shortstacked for some time. On the turn I take my shot at the pot and get called. The river completes the flush draw. Should I give up on the river? Follow through with another bet? Was my bet on the river too small (looking back at it I'm sure it was, if I genuinely had either the Ace or the spade I would have bet about 6-9)?
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Mar 19, 2007 04:38
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Don't try to make moves at .25/.50. It's entirely unnecessary and you'll develop bad habits. Preflop is also awful. T7s is not a good hand (especially so in early position), but if you really have to play it for sentimental reasons at least raise it. You shouldn't be openlimping in 6-max.
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Mar 19, 2007 06:23
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cricket eater joe posted:Hand That guy played the hand poorly, but you played it even worse. Why don't you do this when you actually have the Ace? There is no need to make huge fancy bluffs at .25/.50. No one is thinking that deep. Also if you're going to be floating then 2 barreling into the river then you better bet more than less than half the pot.
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.25/.50. I've got $40, SB has $20, BB has $100. SB is an idiot, limping with all sorts of garbage, calling raises he shouldn't with mediocre hands and overvaluing any pair post flop. BB has made some questionable to slightly bad plays, but mostly has just had some good hands and hasn't had to do much. Don't really have much of a feel for him. On button with A7. One caller, I call. SB minrases, BB calls, other guy calls, I call. Flop: 7hJs7c - SB bets $1. BB calls, 1 fold, I call. Turn: Kh - SB checks, BB bets $3, I raise to $7, they both call. River: Ks - SB checks, BB bets $8, ... Raise the flop? Bet more on turn? River?
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