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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.comflopturnriver.com (Format: Plain Text) MP1 ($67.60) MP2 ($118.70) CO ($100.90) Hero ($109.90) SB ($103.45) BB ($100) UTG ($115.05) UTG+1 ($106.90) Preflop: Hero is Button with 8h, 8c. 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, MP1 calls $1, MP2 raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero calls $4, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $3, MP1 calls $3. Flop: ($17.50) 9d, Jh, 8s (4 players) UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $12, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $12. Turn: ($41.50) 7d (2 players) MP2 bets $102.7 (All-In), Hero ?. Final Pot: $144.20 Villain has maniacal tendencies, did however not play like a retard, just overly LAG (63/35) over 31 hands.
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I let this go here. You're basically ahead of a complete bluff and that's it, unless he's pushing with a diamond draw or something, and you're getting like 1.5:1 or something. It's just not really worth it. By betting $12 into a $17 pot, you didn't give him odds to draw at an OESD, so when it does hit, you can fold safely knowing that you bet enough that you'll make your money when it doesn't hit. On a board like this I would have bet closer to pot since there are so many cards that can scare you and at worst you're probably a 2:1 dog on the flop if he flopped a straight. Anyway, I'm pretty sure I fold this, a set is normally a monster hand but it's not really that good here, and if the guy is really that LAG I think you can find a better place to get your money in, probably with a weaker hand but in a more +EV situation. Basically it comes down to whether you think he would make a move like this more than half the time with a board like this. If you think he'd make it more than half the time, then it's a call, if not it's a fold. I don't know of that many players that would shove this more than half the time, it's a really weird bet, but I mean it really comes down to your read on him.
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Apr 9, 2007 21:24
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Villain could also easily have TT in this situation although this play has absolutely no value. I'm probably letting this go barring some amazing read that he bluff pushes turns like this. Barring that this is almost 90% AT/QT/TT/T7 here.
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Apr 9, 2007 21:37
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Here's a hand I played just a bit ago: http://www.pokerhand.org/?981878 (Ignore the stack sizes, it's due to a bug, they're really about $500 for each of us) Reads on golfguy: I've played against him a million times before, and I don't know if he's a station or he just thinks I am a bluffing rear end, but he will call big bets from me with any piece of the board when we're 4-handed or less, he's a bit tighter 5-handed but I haven't played him with that many people so it's harder to say. However, he's ALWAYS very passive, and generally never puts in huge bets and tries for huge pots without the nuts. Therefore, when he raises me on the turn, I am 99% sure he has 89. I don't even know anything else he could have that he would try for a huge pot with. I am almost positive he would just call down with a set or a flush draw or a combo draw. That said, do I push here, or call and hope to get a boat and get paid off on the river? It's one of those situations where it seems like no one would blame me for stacking off without an extreme read and I dunno if that kind of read is even possible to get such that you can fold top set with 100 BB stacks when it's possible he could have something else or be bluffing or something.
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Apr 9, 2007 21:45
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Isn't there a chance that he flopped a set? The flop check/call + turn check/raise could easily be that. Obviously 89 is a part of his range here, but I think there's other pretty strong hands that he could have. I vote push.
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Apr 9, 2007 22:00
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It's possible, but I don't recall him ever playing a small set this way.
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Apr 9, 2007 22:04
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It just seems to me that one exact hand is WAY too specific/tight of a range to put him on. I have no doubt your read is correct, but I just think there has to be something else in his range, and any other single hand he could be holding puts you as a favourite against that range. Even the ridiculous tight range of the straight + a set is a coinflip. equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 49.697% 49.70% 00.00% 1640 0.00 { TT } Hand 1: 50.303% 50.30% 00.00% 1660 0.00 { 77-66, 22, 98s, 98o }
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Apr 9, 2007 22:22
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Oof: I would call, simply because who would play a ten like that? The play just doesn't make any sense, and if he does have it you have a lot of outs to suck out. Any results?
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Apr 9, 2007 22:36
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Your absolute worst case is that he has the straight but even you still have 10 outs. With top set and second nuts -- you'd have to have an absolutely amazing read on him to lay that down. I'd push and I could completely understand stacking off here, in fact I'd say it's pretty much unavoidable.
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Apr 9, 2007 22:46
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faarcyde posted:Oof: I would call, simply because who would play a ten like that? The play just doesn't make any sense, and if he does have it you have a lot of outs to suck out. I very, very reluctantly folded. His range of hands is basically any two, maybe even 56. He probably had a 10, trying to push me off a split maybe? Or as I've seen other LAGs often do, overbet the nuts, trying to indice a call just because it's that big. I would have called about a pot sized bet here with the implication of stacking him should I fill up.
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Apr 9, 2007 23:03
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I have what I think is an interesting hand. Villain is aggjedi again, 14/10/2.5 over 4k hands. I have a few updated reads. I no longer think he's been floating me, I think he's had made hands most of the time. He likes to donk the flop with a strong made hand in multiway pots, but I don't have any reads on the turn donk. In some of our recent hands he's taken the 'let the donkey do the pullin' idea, relying on me to be overagg as usual. Pre-flop and flop are boring, but it starts to get interesting on the turn. Here's the history, choose your own adventure style. AggJedi is at seat 0 with $60.20. Mooseybaby1 is at seat 1 with $109.95. crackstar is at seat 3 with $49.25. Thor888 is at seat 4 with $62.15. sabresfan7 is at seat 5 with $10.85. The button is at seat 4. sabresfan7 posts the small blind of $.25. AggJedi posts the big blind of $.50. AggJedi: -- -- Mooseybaby1: -- -- crackstar: A  K Thor888: -- -- sabresfan7: -- -- Pre-flop: Mooseybaby1 folds. crackstar raises to $1.75. Thor888 folds. sabresfan7 folds. AggJedi calls. Flop (board: 8  8 A )(pot $3.75):AggJedi checks. crackstar bets $2.25. AggJedi calls. Turn (board: 8 8 A 7 )(pot $8.25):AggJedi bets $4.50. He might be leading with an 8 in the hopes I will be overagg as usual and raise, or it could be a blocking/probe bet from a mediocre ace trying to see if I'm interested or get to showdown cheaply. A)Call B)Raise to $17 C)Fold
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Apr 10, 2007 02:08
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Just call all the way down, fold to a stupid overbet or whatever. No need to bloat the pot with such a basic hand.
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Apr 10, 2007 03:12
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faarcyde posted:Oof: I would call, simply because who would play a ten like that? The play just doesn't make any sense, and if he does have it you have a lot of outs to suck out. I push, he has 89 of hearts, I suck out goot on river to hit a boat and win.
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Apr 10, 2007 03:40
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Crackstar, Call the turn. There isn't really any reason for you to raise here, as it just helps him play perfectly. On the river, if he pots it, I'd probably be strongly considering a fold, because I think this particular villain will have the 8 here a decent amount of the time. If he doesn't pot it (or near pot) I think you should call the river. If he checks river, I would think for a while and bet like $15.55 or something and hope he calls with a marginal ace. He makes some loose calls against me though, since we have some odd bluff history.
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Apr 10, 2007 06:27
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toybux posted:Crackstar, I do in fact call the turn. River (board: 8 8 A 7 T )(pot $17):AggJedi checks. crackstar bets $12.25. AggJedi raises all in. crackstar ?
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Apr 10, 2007 06:59
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This just happened a moment or two ago: Dealt to Hero A AVillain1 calls 50 Hero raises to 100 Villain2 calls 50 Villain1 calls 50 *** FLOP *** 2 6 10Villain2 bets 400 Villain1 calls 400 Hero raises to 1,230, and is all in Villain2 calls 830 Villain1 calls 830 *** TURN *** 2 6 10 10Villain2 bets 125, and is all in Villain1 calls 125 Villain2 shows 10 KVillain1 shows J 10Hero shows A A*** RIVER *** :2:c: 6 10 10 8Villain2 shows three of a kind, Tens Villain1 shows three of a kind, Tens Villain2 wins the side pot (250) with three of a kind, Tens Hero shows two pair, Aces and Tens Villain1 wins the main pot (4,015) with three of a kind, Tens Now, I know I probably shouldn't have gone all-in at that point; with the 400 bet and the call, I should have figured either someone was going for trips or a flush, but I played the part of Nemo and bet in anyway. Thoughts?
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Apr 10, 2007 07:00
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EDIT: Basically what the people below me said. I was on quite a bit of live-poker-beats-tilt when I posted this, and should have thought it through.
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Apr 10, 2007 07:20
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That looks like a tournament hand, and post stuff like stack sizes and whatnot. Anyway, raise preflop at least 3x the big blind. I would put it to like 200-250, and feel really good about this flop after a pot/smooth call. Plus we we have a A . Without any reads I am pushing the flop and expect to see hands like A/10 K/10.
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Apr 10, 2007 07:27
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Morphius22000 posted:Raise more pf, push the flop, if someone is "going for the flush or trips" you want to get it in with aces. In order to give the best advice, readers would also need: 1) The stakes and size of the tournament 2) The stack sizes and positions of the players 3) Any reads you have on the villains 4) Preferably, spoiler everything after your shove. In order for someone to give an unbiased critique, they can't know any more than you did at the moment you shoved.
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Apr 10, 2007 07:30
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kalensc posted:In order to give the best advice, readers would also need: I'll keep this in mind for next time. Thanks for all the tips. EDIT: Just lost another tournament; pretty standard. I am InternetMeme. Spock is the villain here. The hand. The stakes: A freeroll for a $350 satellite. Slight under 100 entrants (I was out in 15th place). Reads: The guy who called me had shown earlier he's not someone to play around with. In this situation, though, because of my stack (~900) and the blinds (200/100) it was, in my opinion, the best option available to me. Again, any thoughts on how this one was played out are welcome. Also: Am I supposed to be posting this in a different thread? This looked like the right one to me. Not Who You Think fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Apr 10, 2007 |
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Apr 10, 2007 07:43
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At that point in the tournament you're so short stacked relative to the blinds that you should be looking for just about any hand that doesn't completely blow to move in with. Pushing with those Aces is far and away the best move to make, but you should also be doing the same thing with almost any pocket pair, most aces, and high hands like KQ, KJ, (QJ). You really need to double up or those massive blinds will eat you alive, so you've got to be willing to gamble. Do yourself a favor and pick up Harrington on Hold'em volume 1. He explains everything you need to know about beginning and intermediate tournament strategy.
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Apr 10, 2007 08:44
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I think there is a tournament thread somewhere. Anyway, both you and Spock played this hand correctly. There isn't much to analyze here because you are so short and you both have playable cards. You just got unlucky. I do love how they auto-folded the all-in big blind though. 
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Apr 10, 2007 08:45
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Not Who You Think posted:
It's called the SNG/MTT Critique Thread, a little more down the PITR page. It doesn't get the love that the NLHE thread does  .But at least it's not forgotten like the Limit thread! Ha!
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Apr 10, 2007 15:52
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I'm hoping this is the right thread for my question. Basically, I play very tight, essentially folding anything instantly that isn't a high pocket pair (7+), or two picture cards unpaired (10 included, so for example, A10, AK, JA, etc.) Depending on the circumstances I loosen up a bit - if I have a decent stack and a cheap call, I'll play pocket 2s to the flop for example for the chance of a set. Also under these circumstances I'd play Ax suited. But anyway, the point is that playing this tightly means I almost never see the flop and my stack just gets eroded by ever-increasing blinds. Am I making a mistake in playing this tightly, other factors aside? On nights where the cards are in my favour I can usually do OK, have made the payout structure in real money online tournaments a few times (fairly new player to online games) and won money playing cash games. But if I'm not getting dealt anything good, such as tonight, where I got less than 10 playable hands (only two of which won me anything) in almost two hours of tournament play at a casino. It's quite frustrating to feel so helpless when the cards aren't on my side. I'd like to think that I know how to effectively play a strong hand (as oppose to simply relying on pure luck for them to win me money) but I really don't know how to play weak hands. Am I being too picky in what constitutes weak? Really just looking for tips/information on how I can modify my style to perhaps be a bit more successful. It's disheartening to see my stack slowly eroding while I get dealt poo poo hand after poo poo hand (7, 2 unsuited yay) and feel too reluctant to play anything that isn't premium. Hopefully this is an appropriate place, thanks for any help
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Apr 11, 2007 16:51
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Kujaroth posted:I'm hoping this is the right thread for my question. The strategy you're describing is actually pretty good for full ring cash games, but not so much for tournaments. In tournament play you need to be much more aggressive because of the rising blinds and should be pushing with some very marginal hands as your stack gets smaller. You should either start playing cash games where your current strategy will work, or pick up Harrington on Holdem volumes 1 and 2 for a decent intro to tournament strategy.
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Apr 11, 2007 16:58
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Kujaroth posted:I'm hoping this is the right thread for my question. There's actually a MTT/STT thread, but it doesn't get as much traffic (See the post directly above). It's hard to tell how you're playing without specific hands/examples, but from the description you give it seems that you're playing too weak tight. Are you often stealing blinds? Occasionally restealing? What levels are you playing at? The best advice right now would be to read Harrington on Hold 'em 1 through 3 if you haven't already.
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Apr 11, 2007 17:03
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Xyven posted:The strategy you're describing is actually pretty good for full ring cash games, but not so much for tournaments. In tournament play you need to be much more aggressive because of the rising blinds and should be pushing with some very marginal hands as your stack gets smaller. You should either start playing cash games where your current strategy will work, or pick up Harrington on Holdem volumes 1 and 2 for a decent intro to tournament strategy. Yeah, the being aggressive part with marginal hands is what kills me - I find it very difficult to bluff like that. Usually though when my stack does start shrinking significantly I do start pushing with marginal hands though, such as tonight I was down to a little over half the starting chips after 1:45 or so of play, and went all-in preflop with a K6 suited. I figured that it would quite possibly be the best hand I'd be dealt before the blinds reached me, which would have all but eliminated me. The bluff didn't work. Possibly because the guys who called me all had me covered by a long way and my all-in was pittance to them in the scheme of things. I'll look into that book though, definitely need to learn how to play more effectively with weaker hands, as I'd consider my game when dealt strong cards to be acceptable (by no means perfect though.) ultimatemike posted:There's actually a MTT/STT thread, but it doesn't get as much traffic (See the post directly above). Too weak tight sounds about right. Rarely steal blinds, for reasons outlined above (reluctance to risk playing marginal hands). As for level, I'm not sure what you mean. Stakes? If so, $1/2 NL cash games (minimum at the casino here) and the particular tournament I was in tonight was a WSOP satellite freeroll event, so no buy-in. Kujaroth fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Apr 11, 2007 |
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Apr 11, 2007 17:05
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Kujaroth posted:Yeah, the being aggressive part with marginal hands is what kills me - I find it very difficult to bluff like that. Usually though when my stack does start shrinking significantly I do start pushing with marginal hands though, such as tonight I was down to a little over half the starting chips after 1:45 or so of play, and went all-in preflop with a K6 suited. I figured that it would quite possibly be the best hand I'd be dealt before the blinds reached me, which would have all but eliminated me. The bluff didn't work. Possibly because the guys who called me all had me covered by a long way and my all-in was pittance to them in the scheme of things. If the blinds would "all but wipe you out", you've most certainly waited to long to make your move. Once your M (Your stack divided by the total of all blinds + antes in play) is 5 or less, you should be pushing pretty much the first hand folded to you. If your M is less than 10, you should be pushing a pretty wide range if it's folded to you (Any decent ace and any pair - not an accurate or exhaustive list, but it should give you the right idea). If you wait much longer than that, you have no ability to make anyone fold, which is a large component of your equity in late game tournament hands. Think about it - if you push and it's only another BB for you to be called by the blinds, you're not guaranteed to be called, and if you're pushing as light as K6, the best you can hope for it to be about 60-65%, and more likely you're behind. You need to make moves earlier to keep yourself from getting in that situation in the first place.
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Apr 11, 2007 18:44
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ultimatemike posted:If the blinds would "all but wipe you out", you've most certainly waited to long to make your move. Once your M (Your stack divided by the total of all blinds + antes in play) is 5 or less, you should be pushing pretty much the first hand folded to you. If your M is less than 10, you should be pushing a pretty wide range if it's folded to you (Any decent ace and any pair - not an accurate or exhaustive list, but it should give you the right idea). Sounds like good advice, thanks, just one thing I'm not sure about - you say "push pretty much the first hand folded to me". What do you mean when you say 'folded to me'? As in, I'm on the blinds/button or what?
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Apr 11, 2007 19:20
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Kujaroth posted:Sounds like good advice, thanks, just one thing I'm not sure about - you say "push pretty much the first hand folded to me". What do you mean when you say 'folded to me'? As in, I'm on the blinds/button or what? Let's say you're in MP1, 3 to the left of the big blind. UTG and UTG+1 both fold, you push. That's what he means by a hand that's folded to you.
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Apr 11, 2007 19:26
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http://cakepoker.com/HandHistory/?Hand=xcXExsTFxcDMwcTExMbBxIjFwsLAwsY%3d Should i have just called at the end? I'm very sure the guy's got a K, and just calling increases the chance someone else might call, and will at least prevent the pot from getting huge when we're just going to split it. Was annoying to realize I made about 20 cents on that hand. Or is it better to raise on the off chance that guy is raising with garbage or someone really dumb behind me might call? Seems very remote, but there is a larger payoff. Not sure how to weight the two. edit: ignore the lack of raise on the turn and the minraise on the river. Playing during class is often a bad idea, and I pressed the fold to any bet button on the flop and forgot it was still there on the turn. Kase Im Licht fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Apr 13, 2007 |
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Apr 13, 2007 02:19
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I just played what I think was the best hand of my short poker career. 2nd hand of a 9 man $1.20 SnG. PokerStars Game #9393112172: Tournament #47697260, $1.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/04/12 - 23:09:59 (ET) Table '47697260 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: 2sandman2 (1480 in chips) Seat 2: keebler_94 (1480 in chips) Seat 3: bill9003 (1480 in chips) Seat 4: Arrgy (1500 in chips) Seat 5: cubbywi (1500 in chips) Seat 6: simi223 (1500 in chips) Seat 7: riverbank31 (1500 in chips) Seat 8: QuadXQuad (1580 in chips) Seat 9: ludovicus (1480 in chips) bill9003: posts small blind 10 Arrgy: posts big blind 20 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Arrgy [Kc Kh] cubbywi: folds simi223: folds riverbank31: calls 20 QuadXQuad: calls 20 ludovicus: folds 2sandman2: folds keebler_94: folds bill9003: folds Arrgy: raises 20 to 40 riverbank31: calls 20 QuadXQuad: calls 20 *** FLOP *** [8c 6s Qd] Arrgy: checks riverbank31: bets 20 QuadXQuad: raises 60 to 80 Arrgy: raises 60 to 140 riverbank31: calls 120 QuadXQuad: raises 1400 to 1540 and is all-in Arrgy: calls 1320 and is all-in riverbank31: calls 1320 and is all-in *** TURN *** [8c 6s Qd] [9s] *** RIVER *** [8c 6s Qd 9s] [Jc] *** SHOW DOWN *** Arrgy: shows [Kc Kh] (a pair of Kings) riverbank31: shows [2h Qh] (a pair of Queens) QuadXQuad: shows [3c 5s] (high card Queen) Arrgy collected 4510 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 4510 | Rake 0 Board [8c 6s Qd 9s Jc] Seat 1: 2sandman2 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: keebler_94 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: bill9003 (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 4: Arrgy (big blind) showed [Kc Kh] and won (4510) with a pair of Kings Seat 5: cubbywi folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: simi223 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: riverbank31 showed [2h Qh] and lost with a pair of Queens Seat 8: QuadXQuad showed [3c 5s] and lost with high card Queen Seat 9: ludovicus folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Apr 13, 2007 04:21
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Arrg posted:I just played what I think was the best hand of my short poker career. 2nd hand of a 9 man $1.20 SnG. Wrong. Wrong. Right.
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Apr 13, 2007 04:25
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Arrg posted:I just played what I think was the best hand of my short poker career. 2nd hand of a 9 man $1.20 SnG. You MUST raise more preflop MUST MUST MUST
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Apr 13, 2007 04:43
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Arrg posted:I just played what I think was the best hand of my short poker career. 2nd hand of a 9 man $1.20 SnG. No, you didn't. There is so much value for high pocket pairs preflop, especially at low buyin SnGs. People will call with any ace, any suited cards, any pair, any two broadway. In the future raise these premium hands to 3-5BB preflop. Poor players are too loose preflop, they will call for 5 BB almost as often as they will 2 BB. Also consider purchasing Harrington on Hold'Em Volume 1, if you are interested in playing multi table tournaments as you progress in poker.
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Apr 13, 2007 05:09
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Kase Im Licht posted:http://cakepoker.com/HandHistory/?Hand=xcXExsTFxcDMwcTExMbBxIjFwsLAwsY%3d
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Apr 13, 2007 05:13
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Am I ever good here? http://www.pokerhand.org/?993377
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Apr 13, 2007 08:17
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Arrg posted:This is the No Limit Hold'em Critique thread, stop posting SNG hands in here. Also that hand is an abortion, raise raise raise.
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Apr 13, 2007 13:15
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LuckySevens posted:Am I ever good here? Do you have any reads on him? How quick were the reraises? If they were instant, those two check/min-reraises make me think he was just bluffing poorly. He might have pocket 6s, I doubt he has pocket tens, and the chances of him having clubs is fairly low, so i would say you are most likely in the lead. You were definitely getting decent odds to call. I would have called and hoped he checked again at the river. Disclaimer: I only play on the tiny tables where idiots toss money around constantly, so my read is definitely skewed towards "moron" Arrg posted:Hilarious hand This hand is awesome because everyone involved played it horribly. You should have raised, as everyone has already said. The guy with the 5/3 massively overbet into a raised pot without any chance of winning and the guy with the queen called that massive overbet with just top pair, lovely kicker. He might have gotten away with that if there hadn't been another person in the hand left to act, but as it was that was a pointless waste. I would suggest reading Harrington On Hold'em or Phil gordon's little green book. They will improve your game tenfold. Pizzlefish fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Apr 13, 2007 |
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LuckySevens posted:Am I ever good here? Depending on reads, I think you are actually good here fairly often. Call and let him bluff at the river. People tend to go crazy in blind battles. It's definitely possible he check-raised a 4 and then improved.
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