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Yeah arrg, I hate to put on the hate, but you deserve it.
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Ouch, I guess I do deserve that. I know I'm not the best but I thought I was slowly getting better. I'll be more careful about which hands I post from now on.
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Apr 25, 2007 16:01
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Arrg posted:Ouch, I guess I do deserve that. I know I'm not the best but I thought I was slowly getting better. The problem isn't that you aren't the best (I suck horribly too), it's just that you dont seem to be making much improvement. You are constantly overvalueing hands and chasing a good preflop starting hand all the way without much improvement. No matter what advice we give you, you make the same mistakes every other post. You keep doing weird things as well, like saying "This is what you call pot committed" before acting first. You can't be pot committed unless there is a bet in front of you. You could have checked and had him check behind you. And you keep minraiseing. You should almost never minraise. It can't be said enough: Read a book. Harrington or Phil Gordon's books, or whatever. And crop off everything after ****SHOWDOWN**** so we can give you our reads on what is going on in the hand without being skewed by the results. Pizzlefish fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Apr 25, 2007 |
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Apr 25, 2007 16:11
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Pizzlefish posted:And crop off everything after ****SHOWDOWN**** so we can give you our reads on what is going on in the hand without being skewed by the results. I'd take it one step further and crop off everything after the decision in the hand you are unsure on. Seeing how the villain reacts to a bet or raise can often skew discussion as well.
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Apr 25, 2007 16:28
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I have almost finished HoH1 and my SnG/Donkament play has improved considerably. I guess I have trouble translating some of the lessons in there over to ring play though. I'll make a concious effort not to chase good PF hands all the way anymore. I'll also keep an eye on my miniraising.
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Apr 25, 2007 16:53
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Arrg posted:I have almost finished HoH1 and my SnG/Donkament play has improved considerably. I guess I have trouble translating some of the lessons in there over to ring play though. Your minraising isn't going to chase out drawy hands out of the pot, and generally with raises preflop you're trying to build a pot for your good hands. QT isn't really a hand you're trying to build a pot for. Minraises do nothing except give someone good pot odds to call, and often times people will see that as a very weak blocking bet and often come over the top of you.
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Apr 25, 2007 17:27
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Knightmare posted:Your minraising isn't going to chase out drawy hands out of the pot, and generally with raises preflop you're trying to build a pot for your good hands. QT isn't really a hand you're trying to build a pot for. Minraises do nothing except give someone good pot odds to call, and often times people will see that as a very weak blocking bet and often come over the top of you. Every time you get the urge to minraise, punch yourself in the balls. Hard. There's the odd time that a minraise is acceptable, but I'm sure you can deal with an occasional ball punch.
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Apr 25, 2007 17:39
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What if I minraise just to be an rear end in a top hat, I do that sometimes
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Apr 25, 2007 17:42
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Stefan Prodan posted:What if I minraise just to be an rear end in a top hat, I do that sometimes Totally acceptable 
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Apr 25, 2007 17:46
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On a related note, if people are multitabling or otherwise not paying attention, betting a large but completely irregular amount into them with one or more streets to go is usually a good way to get a call since people will assume you are all-in when they see that you bet "$147.83" into a $200 pot or something. But it's also fun to just do it to be a jerk!
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Apr 25, 2007 18:41
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Stefan Prodan posted:On a related note, if people are multitabling or otherwise not paying attention, betting a large but completely irregular amount into them with one or more streets to go is usually a good way to get a call since people will assume you are all-in when they see that you bet "$147.83" into a $200 pot or something. People at Cake tournaments do that poo poo all the time and it throws me off more than it should. I started off playing at Truepoker and there's no typing bets, only multiples of the BB. That kinda engrained it into me that an irregular bet size meant someone is all in. I still catch myself loving that up every once in a while.
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Apr 25, 2007 18:43
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ultimatemike posted:Every time you get the urge to minraise, punch yourself in the balls. I will minraise if I have a good read on someone and I know they will try to punish me for it. (ex. Stefan_Prodan) If you KNOW someone will come over the top, a minraise may be ok to induce it and then 3bet trap like some sort of metagame check/raise but this is a pretty rare occurence for the few times you have a good read on someone.
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Apr 25, 2007 19:30
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Knightmare posted:I will minraise if I have a good read on someone and I know they will try to punish me for it. (ex. Stefan_Prodan) If you KNOW someone will come over the top, a minraise may be ok to induce it and then 3bet trap like some sort of metagame check/raise but this is a pretty rare occurence for the few times you have a good read on someone. Like I said, there's odd times where it's appropriate. I just think that since he's starting out, it's probably best not to do it at all. He's better off worrying about position, starting hands and proper bet sizing first before he starts trying to figure out spots where a minraise is slightly more +EV. Basically a strict rule to go by until he understands enough theory to know why minraising is usually a bad idea, and what makes an appropriate spot to do it.
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Apr 25, 2007 20:39
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ultimatemike posted:Basically a strict rule to go by until he understands enough theory to know why minraising is usually a bad idea, and what makes an appropriate spot to do it. I pretty much only minraise boards where the flop is paired, usually on the turn. It's exploitable but oh so profitable. I also sometimes minraise big draws as a free card play. I haven't found that minraising sets or other big hands is a good line.
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Apr 26, 2007 03:55
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Well, Torcida had been a very agressive player, buying several pots and having to rebuy chips once in the 57 hands I was at the table. I started with $2 and had worked my way up. My biggest question is was my betting/rasing correct @ the turn. (Oh god please don't yell at me again!) PokerStars Game #9616351794: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2007/04/26 - 12:16:26 (ET) Table 'Pariana III' 9-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: Arrgy ($3.27 in chips) Seat 2: mm02 ($3.32 in chips) Seat 3: chambeee ($6 in chips) Seat 4: introv ($16.96 in chips) Seat 5: kroepy ($5.57 in chips) Seat 6: jabbyjay ($9.68 in chips) Seat 7: roboface ($5.86 in chips) Seat 8: Max Messer ($5.46 in chips) Seat 9: Torcida69 ($4.94 in chips) mm02: posts small blind $0.02 chambeee: posts big blind $0.05 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Arrgy [Ac Td] introv: calls $0.05 kroepy: folds jabbyjay: folds roboface: folds Max Messer: calls $0.05 Torcida69: raises $0.05 to $0.10 Arrgy: calls $0.10 mm02: folds chambeee: calls $0.05 introv: calls $0.05 Max Messer: calls $0.05 *** FLOP *** [2d Kd 4d] chambeee: bets $0.10 introv: folds Max Messer: folds Torcida69: calls $0.10 Arrgy: raises $0.40 to $0.50 chambeee: folds Torcida69: calls $0.40 *** TURN *** [2d Kd 4d] [Jd] Torcida69: checks Arrgy: bets $0.75 Torcida69: raises $0.75 to $1.50 Arrgy: raises $1.17 to $2.67 and is all-in Torcida69: calls $1.17 *** RIVER *** [2d Kd 4d Jd] [4c]***
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Apr 26, 2007 17:21
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Arrg posted:Well, Torcida had been a very agressive player, buying several pots and having to rebuy chips once in the 57 hands I was at the table. I started with $2 and had worked my way up. My biggest question is was my betting/rasing correct @ the turn. My take on this hand: He pretty much is saying he has at least one high diamond with that flop call. On the turn, when a card comes out that helps the opponents projected hand, with your chip stack you can either push and try to take the pot down or check and let the opponent make the first move. Betting half the pot sets yourself up for a reraise that can be anything, real or bluff, and pretty much makes you push. I would have pushed and let him make the decision since some people take overbets as a sign of weakness. if he has the ace or queen you are getting called no matter what. Your reraise was automatic, since that was going in on the river no matter what. Something tells me (probably the minraises) he played that hand shittily and caught a boat on the river. Ohh, and preflop, i would have reraised to isolate the aggressive guy if you had a tightish table image. Your starting hand is moderately weak and people aren't going to believe many bluffs if you dont show strength preflop. Personally, I am not a fan of preflop limping because im fairly weak at postflop play so I like to limit my opponents. By raising, you get the chance to isolate the aggressive guy and make him think you have a good starting hand, effectively disguising your A/10 off (If you are loose imaged, then forget that since nobody will believe you anyway) Pizzlefish fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Apr 26, 2007 |
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Apr 26, 2007 19:11
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I almost always end up with a tight table image. I play maybe 15-20% of my hands and usually raise when I have something good. Depending on posotion of course.
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Apr 26, 2007 19:31
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NL 200 Hero has about ~190 dealer position, villain covers, no reads Dealt to Hero: Ad Jh SB Posts SB 1.00 player2 BB 2.00 player3 Folds Villain Raises 8.00 Player 5 Calls 8.00 hero Calls 8.00 SB Calls 7.00 BB Folds Flop: 6h Th Ah SB Checks Villain Bets 20.00 Player 5 Folds hero Calls 20.00 SB Folds Turn: Jd VillainChecks hero Bets 60.00 VillainAll In 243.30 hero All In 94.00 Called flop to re-evaluate on turn... when turn came up all my monies went in
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Apr 26, 2007 20:30
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Nevermind, misread.
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Sherminator posted:Called flop to re-evaluate on turn... when turn came up all my monies went in
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Apr 26, 2007 20:43
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In the AJo hand I might fold preflop because I don't really enjoy playing AJo multiway, but postflop is fine.
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Apr 26, 2007 23:01
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oh yeah.. pxf is right. it's a fold PF.
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Apr 27, 2007 03:46
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Arrg posted:Well, Torcida had been a very agressive player, buying several pots and having to rebuy chips once in the 57 hands I was at the table. I started with $2 and had worked my way up. My biggest question is was my betting/rasing correct @ the turn. How aggressive is he on the turn and river? If he is not stupid aggressive you're probably not going to see a worser hand here. If he is calling your flop raise he is probably not doing this without a diamond. Maybe AA/AK with the A  . If he really is that crazy then you might be good here but in most cases I don't make this move unless I know 1) he is really aggressive and 2) I hold at least the Q of that suit.
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Apr 27, 2007 09:13
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Super weird hand I just played on Cake. PFR is a multitabler who doesn't seem spectacular. Mediocre I'd say. The flop checkraiser is an unknown but I'm thinking he's fairly decent since I haven't noticed anything stupid in about 30 hands. 10-handed 5/10. One fold, limp in front of me, I limp 44, one fold, PFR pops it to 40, two calls, both blinds call, guy in front calls, I call (Cake Poker  ).Family pot, 8 players take a look at 542 rainbow with 320 in the pot. Checked to me, I check it through, PFR bets 275, folded to BB who shoves 900 total. Raiser and I both have 1400.
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Apr 30, 2007 04:54
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coiol posted:Super weird hand I just played on Cake. PFR is a multitabler who doesn't seem spectacular. Mediocre I'd say. The flop checkraiser is an unknown but I'm thinking he's fairly decent since I haven't noticed anything stupid in about 30 hands. You're only behind A/3 and 55. One of these players figures to have an overpair here I would think and since this is cake possibly both of them or even stupid hands with just the ace drawing to the inside straight. Smooth calling is pointless since anyone who calls 900 isn't going to balk at calling off the extra 500 on your shove. Shove away and hope it's not 55.
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Apr 30, 2007 15:14
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coiol posted:Super weird hand I just played on Cake. PFR is a multitabler who doesn't seem spectacular. Mediocre I'd say. The flop checkraiser is an unknown but I'm thinking he's fairly decent since I haven't noticed anything stupid in about 30 hands. Let me put it this way... I'd pay a grand to be in your situation.
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Apr 30, 2007 15:52
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coiol posted:Super weird hand I just played on Cake. PFR is a multitabler who doesn't seem spectacular. Mediocre I'd say. The flop checkraiser is an unknown but I'm thinking he's fairly decent since I haven't noticed anything stupid in about 30 hands. How do you not get it in here? You beat all overpairs, all two pairs, all pairs + draws, etc. I couldn't fold 222 on this flop here either, although that's probably a fold. This is why you don't play full ring.
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Apr 30, 2007 17:02
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Psyduck posted:How do you not get it in here? You beat all overpairs, all two pairs, all pairs + draws, etc. At Cake I'm sure this is A5 some measurable amount of time. I wouldn't think twice about getting it in. If he has 55 so be it, just river quads. Even if he flopped the straight you're not in THAT bad shape.
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Apr 30, 2007 17:26
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I'm not worried about PFR. It's the BB that scares me, check-pushing on an 8-way raised pot with total rags on the board. I figure that 54 and 43 are less likely because I'm holding 44, 55 and 22 are a coin flip, and I'm behind A3. If it's only 55/22/A3 I have to fold, right? Maybe I'm giving BB too much credit.
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Apr 30, 2007 17:30
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coiol posted:Maybe I'm giving BB too much credit. I really think so.
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Apr 30, 2007 17:31
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coiol posted:If it's only 55/22/A3 I have to fold, right? WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much credit. The only thing that has you crushed is 55. This is never a fold unless you saw the guys hole cards in a live game.
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Apr 30, 2007 18:00
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Yeah what everyone else has said. For future reference hands where you flopped 2nd set (or 2nd nuts, or whatever) for 100 BB's on cake shouldn't even really be posted. Sucks if you lost to a flopped straight or whatever, just chalk it up to a standard cooler.
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Apr 30, 2007 18:35
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I folded, PFR called with 33 and beat BB's 76 when a 6 fell  I only posted it because this is the first time I can recall ever check/folding a set on the flop in maybe 300k hands. I still think it's the right move if the players are competent, but I could be wrong if the math works out otherwise.
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Apr 30, 2007 18:38
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coiol posted:I folded, PFR called with 33 and beat BB's 76 when a 6 fell Call, if you are facing some dumb straight you have outs. Also, don't play full ring.
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May 1, 2007 00:29
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http://cakepoker.com/HandHistory/?Hand=xcXGxcTFxcbNwMTExMTNwYjFx8bGzcY%3d I had 77. Comments? I'm pretty sure raising the flop is a must looking back at the hand.
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Biggy_ posted:http://cakepoker.com/HandHistory/?Hand=xcXGxcTFxcbNwMTExMTNwYjFx8bGzcY%3d or fold, raiser is saying he got a piece of the flop (draw to flush or straight?), re-raise may not chase him off...
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May 1, 2007 18:26
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simple posted:or fold, raiser is saying he got a piece of the flop (draw to flush or straight?), re-raise may not chase him off...  Am I reading this right? You fold overpairs to half pot bets on flops like that because you're scared of draws?I'm raising about pot size on that flop. You're not going to chase out flush draws at these stakes but that's not the point, the idea is to extract money from the flush draw for the 60-65% of the time when they miss (and under the assumption that you're not going to be paying them off in a big way when it does hit whereas they'll put in a ton of money with their 4-flush). By raising significantly you're forcing someone with a draw or overcards to make a mistake by calling. You're only behind a set or a straight, which wouldn't make much sense with the flop action (they'll usually go for a c/r since you raised preflop and act last on the flop, so you pretty much always c-bet here). This flop is a must raise situation.
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May 1, 2007 19:27
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Biggy_ posted:http://cakepoker.com/HandHistory/?Hand=xcXGxcTFxcbNwMTExMTNwYjFx8bGzcY%3d Bet more on turn. With that board, it is pretty obvious he is drawing and you should be making him pay while trying to keep him in the hand. If he raises the turn, then it will be fairly obvious he has a set / some kind of stupid straight. There are so many cards that are dangerous for you on the river, its not a bad idea to try and take down the pot right then if at all possible.
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May 1, 2007 19:36
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Delysid posted:
I wouldn't use the word "scared" but I am just considering the possibility... so a re-raise is mandatory because (1) the flop does not have any overcards to the pair of 7's (2) the raise does not indicate trips or a straight. Assume the 7's are the best hand and bet accordingly, only if they checked and then re-raised a bet would you fold... makes sense to me.
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simple, have you ever played online poker or NL cash at a casino before? Your advice is so bad that I have to wonder. I don't like a flop raise here. He can be trying to b/3b with a big draw or a big hand and your hand can't really stand that much heat nor do you want to inflate the pot. I'd like a raise on the flop more if you had something like 54 or A5 or 44. As played the turn 3 is about the best card in the deck for you and you have to pot the turn.
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