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blah_blah posted:simple, have you ever played online poker or NL cash at a casino before? Your advice is so bad that I have to wonder. I just recently (about a year ago) started playing tournament home games (8 to 10 players), once or twice a week. At first I didn't take the game that seriously, but then I got tired of losing money so I did some reading on the game (Harrington and others). I have not played any casino or on-line games, but the guys I play with, play online and casinos regularly. I'm still trying to learn the game at this point. I thought this forum would be a good place to learn more and get feedback on technique. I am not trying to annoy anyone. Obviously I am out of my league here, so I'll step back and just watch for now.
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blah_blah posted:simple, have you ever played online poker or NL cash at a casino before? Your advice is so bad that I have to wonder. You know, I think there are better ways to say this than LOL YOU SUCK YO. I don't believe he'd be posting here if he had never played before, and I find it's very helpful to have your advice shot down, as opposed to just reading other opinions on hands (which helps too). All I'm saying is I don't think we need the elitism here when he's obviously trying to help or encourage discussion.
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Biggy_ posted:http://cakepoker.com/HandHistory/?Hand=xcXGxcTFxcbNwMTExMTNwYjFx8bGzcY%3d This is a pretty tough spot to play since UTG initially checked. You don't know what he's going to do if you call or if you raise so it puts you in a really tough spot. Although this is only .10/.20, UTG could be thinking about squeezing if you call or if he actually has a hand, jam once you decide to raise. So I think calling and raising have similar expectations. You really just want UTG to fold regardless of what you do. On the turn you have to protect your hand, if I was just HU I might be inclined to go all-in for ~$7 (what he has left on the turn) into the $6 pot. But since UTG is lingering around you have to bet closer to the size of the pot. That or check through on the turn. These medium bets cost more than nice small probe bets but also don't protect your hand like a big bet does. Personally I would bet near pot on the turn and fold if fishpool decides to push but call CaptSp if fishpool folds and CaptSp goes all in for about $2 more.
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8 player NL tournament Villain is button and a tight passive player who will often think for a minute or two before folding/calling (mostly fold) Hero has about 80, villain has about 50 Dealt to Hero: Ac Kc SB Posts 1 BB 2 player3 folds player4 calls 2 Hero raises 6 player6 folds player7 folds Villain calls SB folds BB folds player4 calls Flop: 3s Kh Tc player4 checks Hero bets 10 Villain (thinks for a minute) calls Player4 folds Turn: 7d hero Bets 20 Villain (thinks for a second or two) goes all in hero ? simple fucked around with this message at 22:32 on May 3, 2007 |
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call or shove FullTiltPoker Game #2343676127: Table Hunt (heads up) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:37:37 ET - 2007/05/03 Seat 1: hellaxela ($1,414.70) Seat 2: Monster Kill ($388.10) Monster Kill posts the small blind of $2 hellaxela posts the big blind of $4 The button is in seat #2 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Monster Kill [2  5]Monster Kill raises to $12 hellaxela calls $8 *** FLOP *** [6 5 5 ]hellaxela checks Monster Kill bets $16 hellaxela calls $16 *** TURN *** [6 5 5] [Q]hellaxela checks Monster Kill bets $44 hellaxela calls $44 *** RIVER *** [6 5 5 Q] [9]hellaxela bets $100
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how can it not be a shove? this is a bad beat post right (given absence of reads and whatnot)? You lose (lost?) to what, some sort of weird 89cc/79cc or floated clubs-type hand? fake edit: If you did lose this hand I'm not trying to criticize, I'd just be shocked if you flat called this river.
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May 3, 2007 22:18
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EC10 posted:call or shove I vote for call.
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May 3, 2007 22:19
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simple posted:8 player NL tournament This should probably be in the SNG/MTT thread. Isn't his all in less than a minraise with those starting stacks? If that's the case you have to call. From what I counted he put in about 6 pf, 10 on the turn, and 20 to call your turn bet. That puts his raise at $14. There's no way you can fold there. Also, your pf action is screwed up. It says BB is 2, but player calls 1. If the BB is 2-> Raise to 8
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May 3, 2007 22:27
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blah_blah posted:how can it not be a shove? this is a bad beat post right (given absence of reads and whatnot)? If Villian isn't very good I can see flatcalling. From a bad opponent that line screams "flop a monster, slowplay, but donkbet river so it doesn't get checked behind".
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May 3, 2007 22:35
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ultimatemike posted:This should probably be in the SNG/MTT thread. Not sure what SNG/MTT is but I'll look into it. ultimatemike posted:Isn't his all in less than a minraise with those starting stacks? If that's the case you have to call. From what I counted he put in about 6 pf, 10 on the turn, and 20 to call your turn bet. That puts his raise at $14. There's no way you can fold there. I agree a call is easy with the given the board. But the read on the player is solid, the turn was obviously good for him, can that really be ignored? ultimatemike posted:Also, your pf action is screwed up. It says BB is 2, but player calls 1. fixed ultimatemike posted:If the BB is 2-> Raise to 8 thanks
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May 3, 2007 22:51
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simple posted:Not sure what SNG/MTT is but I'll look into it. That's the thread for single table and multi table tournaments simple posted:I agree a call is easy with the given the board. But the read on the player is solid, the turn was obviously good for him, can that really be ignored? For less than a minraise, no that doesn't mean the turn helps him. It means that he's calling and is left with less than a raise, so he may as well put it all in. You can't fold to that raise.
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May 3, 2007 22:57
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ultimatemike posted:If Villian isn't very good I can see flatcalling. From a bad opponent that line screams "flop a monster, slowplay, but donkbet river so it doesn't get checked behind". Honestly this would be the weirdest line ever for a flopped full house or A5. I think if villain has a real hand and this is not some weird two street oop float, it's a flush or a straight (hence almost certainly a bigger one unless it is like 34cc).
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May 3, 2007 23:01
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blah_blah posted:Honestly this would be the weirdest line ever for a flopped full house or A5. I think if villain has a real hand and this is not some weird two street oop float, it's a flush or a straight (hence almost certainly a bigger one unless it is like 34cc). I agree is it's weird, but I see this line all the time (At lower limits, mind you) where someone either slowplays or rivers a monster and donks the river because they panic and don't want to lose value.
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May 3, 2007 23:07
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ultimatemike posted:That's the thread for single table and multi table tournaments Thanks, I'll use it next time. Sorry for posting in the wrong thread. ultimatemike posted:For less than a minraise, no that doesn't mean the turn helps him. It means that he's calling and is left with less than a raise, so he may as well put it all in. You can't fold to that raise. It was live play (I probably should have mentioned that) and I got the distinct sense the turn made his hand. I called thinking the same thing you mentioned above. He had a pair of sevens (trips), so I was drawing dead (the river was an ace, not that it matters). Basically, I was just curious how people use reads on the other players. If I had listen to my read, I would have saved a few chips. simple fucked around with this message at 23:50 on May 3, 2007 |
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May 3, 2007 23:29
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blah_blah posted:how can it not be a shove? this is a bad beat post right (given absence of reads and whatnot)? STFU, I don't post hands for the sake of posting a thinly veiled bad beat. If I wanted to upstage all the clowns posting their $20 SNG and .5/.10 NL beats filling up the BBV thread I could do so with an hour-long sessions' worth of bad beats.
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May 3, 2007 23:53
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I remember that hellaxela username from Party. He seemed like a weird weird guy to play against so this river bet from him there just doesnt make much sense to me. Normally I'd be shoving this on the river but for this specific hand I'd be inclined to just smoothcall. It's probably a weird line to take but I just cant fathom why this guy would be the river like that. On one hand he might have just the straight 78 or think hes value betting his trips but if I was him I'd rr the flop with the straight draw and 3-bet turn with the trips. Yeah this hand is really confusing.
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May 4, 2007 00:01
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simple posted:hand Considering the board is fairly dry and someone you call, "tight passive" is pushing all-in after you have shown strength on 2 streets proably means you're beat. Since it's only 18 more to you you have to call but you're probably behind to some two pair hand like KT,K7 or a set. If the person is terrible, you might see KQ/J doing this thinking "I don't know what to do!" *shove* after you bet twice into him but KQ/J probably leads out or raises you on the flop. Here there's no real reason to bet the turn given his stack size. EC10 posted:call or shove I'm guessing he has a boat here more often than not, Most likely 66 or 65. The line seems to be, "I'm so weak. I'm so weak. Oh I better bet into him on the river so he'll call at least $100" If you think he'll play this passive with just trip 5s then I probably just shove. No hand he holds with two clubs really makes sense unless he is willing to float you twice with something like 78cc
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Strong Sauce posted:Here there's no real reason to bet the turn given his stack size. This is what I was looking for. At the time, I remember not having a good reason for betting into the turn. From his long hesitation before calling my bet after the flop, I knew he did not have a king. Giving him a chance to act after the turn makes good sense.
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May 4, 2007 01:15
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EC10 posted:call or shove I'd probably just call here but I'm a nit superstar.
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May 4, 2007 18:45
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reethaxor posted:Serious question to everyone saying 'shove,' what worse hand is going to call us? what hands that beat us are we folding out? This Edit: although I dont know how loose those NL400 games are. Is floating with 2 pair on a board like that and then donk betting that river common? Skitzofranik fucked around with this message at 20:09 on May 4, 2007 |
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May 4, 2007 20:07
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i think its closer to a shove because 78 got there and that is definitely a reasonable hand for him to have. i dont think he has a boat very often with this action unless it is specifically 9-5 but i still think thats unlikely. i shoved and he had J 8...wtf. nice oop float.
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EC10 posted:i think its closer to a shove because 78 got there and that is definitely a reasonable hand for him to have. i dont think he has a boat very often with this action unless it is specifically 9-5 but i still think thats unlikely. I think it's closer to a call because your hand didn't improve relatively (trips better here) when the flush came, whereas a bunch of other hands improved.
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Hand tonight from a nl home game I play 3-4 times a week. Blinds .25 and .5. I am in approx mid position with j9 hearts and limp, a few others join and we see the flop. 7 8 Q with 7 Q of hearts giving me a gutshot and a flush draw. I led out for with about a pot sized bet of 3.00 and got 4 callers. The turn is the 5 of hearts completing my flush. I check and a fairly tight good player bets 6.00. It folds to the guy on my right who is also a good player but is really drunk and has been playing kinda nuts. He pushes all in for another 25.00. It is now 31.00 to me with one player to act behind me *the initial turn raiser*, and I have everyone covered. ??? cricket eater joe fucked around with this message at 05:37 on May 23, 2007 |
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cricket eater joe posted:Hand tonight from a nl home game I play 3-4 times a week. Blinds .25 and .5. My read on this: The $6 seems like a very low feeler bet. It was less than half the pot, right? I would guess he either has the Ace or King of hearts and an offsuit kicker, he has a low flush, or he has a something like a set and wants to be able to get away cheaply. The other guy I am not sure about. He could be reading weakness in that bet and trying to scare out the other guy. He might be assuming your pot bet and then your check means you had a pair or two and hated that flush card. He could also be drunk raising. He could have a better flush, but I think the chances of that are pretty slim. I think he range is pretty big here and you beat almost all of them. I'd say its worth the call. Depending on the first guys chip stacks, I would probably push over the top since if he is calling, he will probably push you anyway.
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cricket eater joe posted:It is now 31.00 to me with one player to act behind me *the initial turn raiser*, and I have everyone covered. My vote: Call(assuming the $6 guy is all in)! I don't see what the problem is here. From their perspective that puts a draw on the board, or gives them a draw, or it gives them the conjones to bluff a flush, either way it encourages them to act aggressively. Also the fact that you have a flush makes it less likely that they do, and you have the third flush on an unpaired board...easy call unless you have a particularly good read telling you otherwise. If you had a lower flush I could see a fold, but here I think it's definitely a call. Manner Please fucked around with this message at 08:46 on May 6, 2007 |
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May 6, 2007 08:42
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cricket eater joe posted:Hand tonight from a nl home game I play 3-4 times a week. Blinds .25 and .5. Drunk people, in my experience, like to push with things like A-high flush draws, because gambool. The tight player's $6 does seem like a feeler bet, he wants to see if anybody hit the flush. Odds are he will fold to the all in. Given that even if either player has a flush, you are still likely winning with jack high (only 2 cards beat you), I'd be calling/pushing depending on tight player's stack.
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1/2PL I am deep stacked (350-400bb). A couple of early limpers, guy to my right raises to 10. He is a thinking player, capable of making moves but overall a pretty solid player. He has a deep stack as well, at the very least, 300bb. I'm on the button and I see 55 so I call the 10. One of the initial limpers, a very tough, thinking, tricky player (he is at least 400bb deep, most likely covers me) suddenly reraises to 50. I have been trying to stay out of his way for most of the night because I have had difficulty in the past playing against him. He had not been doing much limp-reraising, just standard raises preflop, then betting or bluffing depending on what he felt the other player would do but he may have done this because he was setting up to make a play like this. Guy to my right who initially bet thinks before eventually calling. I call at this point pretty much playing for set value. Flop comes 4s6c7c. Villain (the reraiser) bets out 125. Guy to my right thinks about it for 20 seconds and mucks. What is my play here and what order do you like best in terms of call/raise/fold?
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Strong Sauce posted:OESD Outside of flopping a five this is the second best flop possible for you. Alot of the time players limp reraise you can narrow them down to AA/KK/AK because commonly this is what people have that use this move. I'm not saying it's 100% but I've been seeing alot of people make this move with those three hands live. What i would do here: Raise. Cards that improve your hand make bets on other streets hard for him to call. I doubt he's going to shove here and if he flat calls your raise you still have another street to fire at and alot of cards that improve your hand or give you something to bluff at. Other options: If you want to be tricky smooth call the bet and fire hard if another club comes out. This will be somewhat marginal if he's holding the Ac because alot of people will draw to the nut flush with AA one card to go. You'll end up having to fire again on the river if you don't improve and no club comes. Only if you think he's capable of making tricky laydowns would I try this. If you want to be nitty you can call his bet and see if you improve. I don't like this because the things that improve your hand make the board super scary for him and kill alot of the action. Things I would not do: Fold (unless he shoves, then it's a matter of how much gamble you have)
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What? The stacks aren't nearly big enough for multi-street firing. The pot's 275, and Sauce has 300-350 behind him. If he flatcalls the pot will be 400 and he'll have like 275-300, meaning he'll have to put it in on the turn. I push or fold here depending on whether he'll fold overpairs or not (since he's a smart player I'm more inclined to jam and hope he puts me on a set, and even if he doesn't I'm still only about 3:2 against). VVV Oh you're right, I'm thinking in terms of BBs (thought he raised to 10bbs, 50bbs, so on). Morphius22000 fucked around with this message at 09:56 on May 8, 2007 |
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May 7, 2007 17:18
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Morphius22000 posted:What? The stacks aren't nearly big enough for multi-street firing. The pot's 275, and Sauce has 300-350 behind him. If he flatcalls the pot will be 400 and he'll have like 275-300, meaning he'll have to put it in on the turn. I push or fold here depending on whether he'll fold overpairs or not (since he's a smart player I'm more inclined to jam and hope he puts me on a set, and even if he doesn't I'm still only about 3:2 against). If I call this 125 bet, I still have around 600-700 behind. I can't push all in since this is pot limit so the max bet after his 125 is (125*2) + (125+150) which is ~525 essentially committing me to the hand even if I miss the turn.
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I was playing 200NL at the casino tonight, and played the following hand. Approximate stack sizes: SB: 100 BB (me): 325 UTG: 175 I'm look down at A QUTG has straddled, which increases the opening bet to 5bux from 2. It's folded around to the SB who calls, I raise to 17 and villan calls, SB folds. Pot is 36bux. Flop is something like 286 rainbow. I cont bet 20, villan instacalls, making the pot 75ish. Turn is another 8. I check, villan quickly checks behind. The river is a Jack. I check again, villan bets 85, and think it over for a while: Villan is observant, he plays too many hands vs a raise, was somewhat aggressive postflop, and thinks I've been playing tight and probably knows I can fold mediocre hands and cont-bet missed flops. I doubt that he is aware that I'm aware that he's aware of this. I had never seen him make an overbet at a pot larger than 5BB. He would generally make smaller bets for value with mediocre hands on the river, decent sized (but not larger than the pot) bets when he knew he was ahead, and had shoved against other people (all who had smaller stacks than him) when he had very strong hands. I figure his range is AA-QQ maybe, AK-A7, a missed straight draw maybe, or some random hand with an 8. I call. Feel free to tell me that this is a retarded call. unman zuu fucked around with this message at 07:13 on May 8, 2007 |
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Tell me something about this hand, please. No reads at all. 14th hand I played against him. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: Something Awful) BB ($4.78) UTG ($5.88) Hero ($2.81) MP1 ($0.28) MP2 ($0.94) MP3 ($1.66) CO ($3.28) Button ($3.82) SB ($3.59) Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K  , K . UTG calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.1, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, 3 folds, UTG folds. Flop: ($0.35) 3 , Q , 7 (3 players)Hero bets $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, CO folds. Turn: ($0.85) 9 (2 players)Hero bets $0.3, MP3 calls $0.30. River: ($1.45) 3 (2 players)Hero checks, MP3 bets $1.01 (All-In), Hero calls $1.01. Final Pot: $3.47 Pre-Flop/Flop is standard for me. Turn is a bit low. I was caught a bit by surprise that he didn't fold. River was an attempt to get out of the hand because I started to feel really bad. I called the all-in because I have this feeling that 90% of the river all-ins I see come from people who have absolutely nothing. Here's what I thought he has, in decreasing likeliness: 1. AQ: Everything but the river bet seems normal. 2. 77: Possible. 3. QQ: Many players don't re-raise pre-flop here. 4. AA: Same as QQ but less likely. Nevertheless I know plenty of players that never raise and limp in even with AA. 5. A3: Many people love their ace-rags. But I didn't buy his attempt to represent treys for one second. 6. 33: No way I'm losing against quads. Although he might have been scared of QQQ or 777 before getting his quads. 7. Q3/73: Probably folded pre-flop. But what did he really have?  for now.
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Bet more on turn, put him in on river. You have an overpair and he's shown no aggression, let him call you down with his random pair.
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May 8, 2007 08:23
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so standard. If you dont call that river there I suggest you turn in your panties for ones you havent pissed in already. At these stakes I'd be felting that immediately and if he does have 77/33 whatever I can live with it. Flop I'd bet $0.30 Turn bet 2/3s to 3/4s pot. $0.85-$1 is good. River: dont check this. If he did have a hand like QJ/KQ/AQ he might check behind. Youre leaving money on the table. If he has a hand like Q9/Q7 you just re-sucked and counterfieted him. Helix hand: its pointless to bluff people live in that spot. Making a hero call in that spot isnt going to win you more than you lose there. Spechel EDD fucked around with this message at 08:27 on May 8, 2007 |
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May 8, 2007 08:25
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Thanks for the input guys. The other guy had AJ. 
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Oh man I played this bad. Regular live game, villain is usually TAGgy, but has been getting more aggressive in recent weeks. My image is SLAG/TAG, known to bet strongly on both made hands and draws. 7 handed, blinds 1 chip each, stacks ~100. I'm UTG+1 with A 9. I raise to 6, called by villain to my left and the BB. Everyone else folds. Flop: A Q 3. Pot is 19I bet 14, villain calls, BB folds Turn: 9 , pot 47I check, villain bets 25, I call River: 7 , pot 97I bet 25, villain pushes his last 55 in, I call.
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reethaxor posted:Oh man I played this bad. First off, 6x is a pretty big opening raise. Folding PF in this position 7-handed is probably a decent idea, too. c/c on the turn is pretty gross. If you're going to check that turn, you should crai and watch some worse ace call. Or, you can just bet the turn and watch some worse ace call (or raise). The only reasonable hands that beat you on this turn are 33 and AQ, as AA/QQ prob. 3-bet it preflop, and there are only two nines left in the deck. Unless you have some super good live tell, or he's a mega nit, folding this turn is pretty disastrous. I never get to the river this way, but if I did, I'd probably just jam and hope some AJ/AT or worse 2p (maybe Q9) looks me up. You dug your own grave here. You're getting such enormous odds you have to call after making that tiny bet on the river that calling is mandatory.
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Re: reethaxor's hand This is one of those hands where if you won, you probably would not have realized how badly you actually played the turn and river. Leo's advice nailed everything for the most part, but I just wanted to throw that little comment in there. Also Leo I don't believe for a second that you would fold A9 SOOOOOTED utg+1 7 handed 
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i agree with leo and nachos obv but wanted to chime in to say that "reet haxor" is probably the most awesome name on SA
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nachos posted:Re: reethaxor's hand
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