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http://www.pokerhand.org/?1388703 Did I play this okay? I flopped the double gutter on the flop, and was kind of thrown off by the shorty on my left. Then was given 2.5:1 to call the turn with the chance of a $10 overcall by the shorty and some implied odds on top of that. Not to mention I paired my top card, which obviously gives me only two extra outs at most. No reads, really.
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NL 50 I raise UTG+1 at a tight table with JTs to 1.50$ with a 48$ stack. The BB calls, my notes on him says that he sometimes donks into pfr on a low board. The flop comes down KdJdJs, he checks, I overbet 4$ into the 3$ pot and he check raises me to 15.10$. What do you do? I got it all in, which was my plan, but was it the correct one?
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Aug 21, 2007 21:51
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Ranma4703 posted:NL 50 In that circumstance I'll go all in mostly everytime. It sounds like that opponent would do the same with any king and possibly any draw, and since its a fairly drawy board I think it's best to put him in.
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Aug 21, 2007 23:19
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Ranma4703 posted:NL 50 you flopped a strong set and should only be afraid of KK or a stronger jack, both of which are unlikely. If your note on him is even semi accurate, he could have a huge range of hands and you are ahead so much its ridiculous. If he is all in, you will definitely win more often than the ~11 to 8 pot odds need for a call. As for whether this was the best strategy, it depends on your read and how trustworthy your note is. If he is willing to reraise a perceived weak bet like that, then go for it. You shouldn't get skittish when your plan works. If it is a big loss, just regroup and note it down.
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Aug 21, 2007 23:25
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I 3-bet a little under a PSB or I shove depending on their and my stack size. If they have KK/KJ then I sigh and go on to next hand.
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Aug 21, 2007 23:39
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How is my line throughout this hand? I'm the most curious about the turn and river play. http://www.pokerhand.org/?1396439
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Aug 22, 2007 00:34
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cricket eater joe posted:How is my line throughout this hand? I'm the most curious about the turn and river play. I like the check/raise, but I'm not sure if I lead on the turn. I think a lot of the time you'll be getting a free turn card when he calls your ch/r, as after you lead turn and he calls I don't know how much you're going to get away with on the river.
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Aug 22, 2007 02:31
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Ranma4703 posted:NL 50 I call and get it in on every turn card assuming 100BB stacks.
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Aug 22, 2007 06:04
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I probably do the same. If he has a jack it's going in no matter what, if he has a king he might sometimes fold if you go all in immediately and he might fold later, the main difference is if he's just being an aggro idiot this gives you one last time to let him hang himself. If he has nothing and you push now, he has to fold, but if you call, he has to push the turn because it's his only hope of winning.
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Aug 22, 2007 06:59
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Pizzlefish posted:you flopped a strong set Technically he flopped "sort of weak trips."  re: the preflop raise, is this full ring or 6-max? If it's FR I hate pumping JTs in EP, tight table or not. In 6-max I guess you're obligated to raise almost anything that makes a 20 in blackjack but in a full ring game it's just a silly play.
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Aug 22, 2007 07:05
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Delysid posted:Technically he flopped "sort of weak trips." Full ring is silly, I don't play it. I got it all in and smiled, and I won vs his KQo, but I wasn't sure if it was the 'correct' play. I considered just calling his c/r, but I was thinking that a part of his range I was ahead of was a flush draw, and vs every other hand (besides a bluff) that he has I'm getting all in anyway, so why wait for the flush to hit on the turn?
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Aug 22, 2007 21:55
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Slowly getting back into poker. http://www.pokerhand.org/?1400600 What could I have done diffrent? I'd seen him come over the top like that earlier and show the bluff. Sigh variance.  Edit: I guess it just reinforces the point of don't go broke with 1 pair. Also, he left the next hand so no chance for my monies back
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Aug 23, 2007 04:06
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for starters, don't raise KJo out of the BB. In multiway limped pots I usually don't even raise AKo out of the BB. This helps avoid the lovely situation of playing KJo OOP on scary boards. Also I think that you can c/f the river a lot of the time given that you bet the turn; I've never been a fan of wimpy blocking bets like you did there.
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Aug 23, 2007 09:14
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Arrg posted:Slowly getting back into poker. Bet more on the turn so you really know where you're at. You're giving him 5:1 which is even enough for drawing a four flush if he hadn't made one already without having to include implied odds. If you bet more on the turn, you know that you're probably beat by the river and can check / fold, especially on such a drawy board. He has tons of hands that beat you and not many that would stay that long and bet heavy at the end. Even if it smells like a bluff he's done in the past, that board scares the hell out of me not even considering your Jack kicker.
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Aug 23, 2007 17:37
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No reads. Should I have played this any differently? http://www.pokerhand.org/?1413286 I would have given more respect to his turn raise if he had more chips behind, but with $2 left and good pot odds, I was looking to get everything in the middle asap.
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Aug 26, 2007 23:11
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Just shove the flop, EASY
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Aug 26, 2007 23:15
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Shove flop, looks like he has right around a PSB behind.
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Aug 26, 2007 23:18
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perfmode posted:No reads. Should I have played this any differently? On the flop you should be looking to get it all in. Don't dick around on drawy boards, get the chips in the middle.
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Aug 26, 2007 23:19
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Also, bet more than 1/3rd the pot. Bet 2
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Aug 27, 2007 01:48
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Ranma4703 posted:On the flop you should be looking to get it all in. Don't dick around on drawy boards, get the chips in the middle. villain is so short that it doesn't really matter. I'd probably bet half the pot on the flop and stick the rest in on the turn since you want villain to make mistakes. the fact that the board is drawy is kind of irrelevant since you are sticking the rest in on any turn card and he isn't folding a FD on the flop anyways.
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Aug 27, 2007 09:04
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http://cakepoker.com/HandHistory/?Hand=xcbHzcTFxsTFwMTExMLEwYjHxcDGwMw%3d Please tell me where I went wrong here.
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Aug 28, 2007 01:16
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Arrg posted:http://cakepoker.com/HandHistory/?Hand=xcbHzcTFxsTFwMTExMLEwYjHxcDGwMw%3d fold preflop. but really, I don't think it was played terribly, but the flop reraise was a big hint, only if you had any reads on him. chances you were allin from the beginning anyway.
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Aug 28, 2007 04:15
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The biggest problem with the hand is the flop bet. I would have cbet the flop, but only about 0.40 on the flop as opposed to 1. If he minraises then I probably call and c/f that particular turn.
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Aug 28, 2007 04:26
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http://www.pokerhand.org/?1418116 Fourth or fifth hand after sitting at table. Should I have re-raised pre-flop here? I feel like I should have checked the turn after he check-called my big bet on the flop.
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Aug 28, 2007 06:17
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holy poo poo that river fold is atrocious. you can't fold any river in the deck if you call the $3 raise on the turn. just shove over his turn raise and move on to the next hand.
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Aug 28, 2007 06:22
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blah_blah posted:holy poo poo that river fold is atrocious. you can't fold any river in the deck if you call the $3 raise on the turn. just shove over his turn raise and move on to the next hand. Does it look like I was behind in that hand? I feel like calling the river bet would be a bigger mistake if I am 75% certain that I'm beat. Maybe calling the raise on the turn was bad, but shoving the stack simply because I'm invested feels weird to me. Am I off here?
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Aug 28, 2007 06:30
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perfmode posted:I feel like calling the river bet would be a bigger mistake if I am 75% certain that I'm beat. Maybe calling the raise on the turn was bad, but shoving the stack simply because I'm invested feels weird to me. Am I off here? Calling a river bet isn't a mistake if you're 75% certain that you're beat; 70% of your stack is in on the turn! You are getting 6 to 1 on a call if I am reading it correctly; you only need to be right about 17% of the time, which you are for suuuuure. The board is safe enough, maybe he has 44 or 78 or god knows what else but you have TPTK on a safe enough board and a big pot; just get it in on the turn. Look, maybe you have some sort of amazing read that you're beat here. But the time to make a sick fold, if ever, is on the turn, where you can fold only having put 40% of your stack in and possibly drawing dead. But the river will never really change anything so if you are calling turn based on your equity against his range you are committed to calling river as well. He can be value shoving with worse, he can be retarded, whatever. Note that I am not advocating a turn fold; I really feel like it's lighting money on fire. I'd say that you have the best hand more than 50% of the time there; he obviously can show up with 44 or 78 but he doesn't have them always, he can have KJ/KT/K7/whatever.
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Aug 28, 2007 07:27
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https://cakepoker.com/HandHistory/C...E8E92ED7C6C1683 Should I have started by betting the turn? Should I have checked? EDIT: because cake is down... Hand #1240011359000513: Pebble Beach 11359 Seat 1: uvebeenrobbd (31.00 in chips) Seat 2: pbfish (26.05 in chips) Seat 4: DI TORO (58.90 in chips) Seat 6: Jedi Yoda (19.30 in chips) Seat 7: 22aipf (51.05 in chips) Seat 8: ChipLeader (30.00 in chips) Seat 9: Bucky Badger (117.05 in chips) Seat 10: BigTicket285 (21.65 in chips) uvebeenrobbd: posts small blind $0.25 pbfish: posts big blind $0.50 Dealt to 22aipf [ Ac Ks ] DI TORO: folds Jedi Yoda: calls 22aipf: raises to $1 ChipLeader: folds Bucky Badger: calls BigTicket285: folds uvebeenrobbd: folds pbfish: calls Jedi Yoda: calls *** FLOP *** [ 2c Ad 6c ] pbfish: checks Jedi Yoda: checks 22aipf: bets $4.05 Bucky Badger: calls pbfish: folds Jedi Yoda: calls *** TURN *** [ Kc ] Jedi Yoda: checks 22aipf: bets $6 Bucky Badger: raises to $19.80 Jedi Yoda: is all in 22aipf: calls *** RIVER *** [ Kd ] 22aipf: is all in Bucky Badger: calls *** SHOW DOWN *** 22aipf: shows [ Ac Ks ] (Full House, Kings full of Aces) Bucky Badger: mucks 22aipf wins $61.95 with Full House, Kings full of Aces *** SHOW DOWN *** Jedi Yoda: shows [ Tc 8c ] (Flush, King high) 22aipf wins $57.70 with Full House, Kings full of Aces navi fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Aug 29, 2007 |
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Aug 29, 2007 23:21
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Weird spot on the turn. The only reason I can see for the smallish turn bet is that you want to get a call from the big stack and a shove from the shortstack and then reshove? This is bad though, because you have so many hands drawing dead. I probably bet $12 or something, if bucky shoves you probably throw up in your mouth and call because it's cake. I valuebet every river as well. As played you have to flatcall the turn bet; river is great for you and a shove is definitely the right move.
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Aug 30, 2007 00:26
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Also don't minraise
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Aug 30, 2007 02:40
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http://www.pokerhand.org/?1429507 I got scared when the board paired on the turn and I got raised. Am I missing value by calling the raise on the turn and checking river behind like I did here? I'm thinking that I should have bet the river when he checked it to me, but I wasn't paying enough attention when the hand was actually happening.
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Aug 31, 2007 08:13
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rath posted:http://www.pokerhand.org/?1429507 Bet more on the flop, and shove the turn over his minraise. Yeah sometimes he'll have a 5 but a JTx board hits a lot of hands and he could be screwing around with a draw. Also the 5 pairing means that JT was counterfeited, something he might not even realize. The way the hand played out betting the river is really thin.
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Aug 31, 2007 08:16
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$30r on UB no hand history but this is what happened. Background: I had 3-bet the poo poo out of him in earlier levels to chip up, and he looked me up with K high in one hand for a medium sized pot (it was a good call). I've definitely got the best of him in our confrontations, though. 42 left, 30 pay blinds 600/1200 ante is small effective stacks 36k, villain covers slightly Everyone folds to opponent in SB who completes, I check. Flop: 6s-7d-9c SB checks, I bet 1800, he raises to 3900, I call. Turn: 2s SB bets 4500 immediately, I think and call. River: 9s SB shoves immediately. What hands are you calling this river with? Do you call with A9? T9? Do you call with a baby flush? Do you call with A7? QQ? What do you put villain on? What's the worst hand you call with? TY somewhat fucked around with this message at 09:13 on Aug 31, 2007 |
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Aug 31, 2007 09:04
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rath posted:http://www.pokerhand.org/?1429507 I don't bet the river here but I do shove the turn over his raise
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Aug 31, 2007 09:08
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Thanks guys, my main takeaway here is that I play like a passive twit. I'll try to work on that.
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Aug 31, 2007 09:11
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http://cakepoker.com/HandHistory/?Hand=xcbAwMTFxsTHwMTExMPMzIjHxcDGwMw%3d God, this is half brag half Jesus I'm scared. I've found the best way to beat Cake is to play Action Dan TAG and be HYPER Agressive when I have a hand. What if the turn had been neutral to me? How should I have played? At what point do I stop re-raising him and cut my losses?
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Sep 2, 2007 05:59
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Arrg posted:http://cakepoker.com/HandHistory/?Hand=xcbAwMTFxsTHwMTExMPMzIjHxcDGwMw%3d He bet little and called huge. He almost always has you beat there. The problem is you are pretty much invested here, you only have about pot left with 2 streets to come. If you just call his minimum bet on the turn he will most likely push you on the river and you still pretty much have to call. I wouldnt have bet so much on the flop myself, just reraise him to $.80 or $1. If you catch a set you can still get it all in there over two streets, otherwise you can get out of there a little easier to a reraise or a scare card.
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Two hands, first one is a bluff: Villian just sat down and is in the BB (first hand) Hero is in the c/o with JTo, folds to me I raise to 2.50$ because I know the sb is weak and I want a good SPR for my hand. SB and BB call, pot is $7.15 Flop comes out 6cKcQd sb checks, villian bets the pot, and I minraise reason: when people donk into the pfr it is usually to see where they are at. When people minraise, it is usually with a monster to extract. On this site, people have a habit of weak/minraising their premium pp pf, so my plan was to represent either AK, KK, or QQ, and get him to fold something like QJ or KJ on the turn. I did NOT think he was going to fold to the minraise. Turn comes 5s, he checks, and I bet 30$ into the 32$ pot Is this spew? Second one is me being scared: Villian is loose, loves to draw, loves to chase, here are my notes on him: limp Kxs pf c/c a psb w. NPND A high 1/2 pot donk into pfr strong 1x cs/passive chck his fd hitting, call a psb to draw on flop Effective stacks are 88.60 villian minraises from c/o, hero calls from BB with Qc8C, flop comes out 8sQs5h I donk 4$ into him because he won't cbet a draw and he is passive, he calls Turn comes the Ah, pot is around 16$ I bet 10$, he minraises to 10$, hero calls river is the 9h I check?
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Ranma4703 posted:Two hands 1st: Your reasoning is very nice sounding, and your line does extract some good chips if he folds a club draw on the turn, but I would question the wisdom of trying this vs. a complete unknown. I would save this kind of move for someone for whom you know donking into the pfr can mean a medium to weak strength hand. 2nd: I would like more info on a)what he does with a very strong made hand and b)whether he often follows through once he takes the betting lead. If he's as loose/passive as you say, I like a 3/4 pot or so bet (and fold to a raise) to extract value from Ax, but if he's the sort to bet the river because he raised the turn regardless of his hand, I like a c/c to extract more money from a bluff.
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Ranma: I want to comment on these two hands, but you aren't following guideline #2 as stated in the OP. We have no idea what a raise to $2.5 means or if a donk bet of $4 into a minraiser is extreme or if you have any money left behind in hand #1 after your turn bet. Edit: A few of us in #poker are wondering what SPR means. albedoa fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Sep 6, 2007 |
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Sep 6, 2007 17:25
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