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albedoa posted:
Stack to Pot Ratio. It's the ratio of you remaining stack after all preflop action to the size of the pot. It's discussed in Professional No Limit Hold 'em.
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ultimatemike posted:Stack to Pot Ratio. It's the ratio of you remaining stack after all preflop action to the size of the pot. Well then that's pretty funny considering there was no mention of stack sizes in that hand.
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Sep 6, 2007 17:57
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Also SPR isn't terribly useful for determining the size of your OPEN RAISE. Just pot it or make it 3x+limepers
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albedoa posted:Ranma: I want to comment on these two hands, but you aren't following guideline #2 as stated in the OP. We have no idea what a raise to $2.5 means or if a donk bet of $4 into a minraiser is extreme or if you have any money left behind in hand #1 after your turn bet. Sorry, they were originally posted on 2+2, and the topic was said that it was NL100, so stack sizes are 100. The second was has the effective stack size listed - it's 88$. Xyven: A large part of SPR is determining an effective opening raise size.
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Sep 6, 2007 19:00
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Whether you open to 2.5x or 3.5x has a very small effect on pot size later in the hand, but it DOES greatly change the odds the blinds are getting to call your raise. When you raise with a hand like JTo a decent amount of your equity comes for stealing the blinds or taking the hand down with a cbet. If your opponent is getting 4:1.5 on what is basically a minraise you're begging him to play a bunch of mediocre hands like Qx that ARE AHEAD OF YOU. As for your flop play, FPS FPS FPS FPS. You have a solid draw and your opponent bet into you. Sometimes he's trying to bet-3bet, some very small amount of the time he's on a complete bluff, and a lot of the time he has KT and isn't folding no matter what because he's a horrible player at .5/1nl. Raising is dumb and minraising planning a multistreet bluff is the most horribly overcomplicated line ever. If you want him to fold make a proper raise on the flop, at least then when you're called you can take a free card on the turn/have slightly more equity when you put your money in. Really you should just call though, you have a draw, play it like what it is. You don't need to think on the 3rd level for SSNL, just think about what you have and what your opponent has and you'll be golden. If you try to represent a hand you're just going to fail because most players in that game don't even know what the hell they have.
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Sep 6, 2007 19:27
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Ranma4703 posted:Two hands, first one is a bluff: I hate the size of your turn bet because you don't have enough to 3barrel. Also I don't think bluffing here is the best line, without reads I prob take the free card on the turn and only fire river if I have it.
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Sep 7, 2007 00:55
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Sep 7, 2007 07:30
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OK, so I don't post very often in this forum, this is my first Poker in the Rear forum post so I hope I do this right. I'm playing in a $15.00 + $1.50 buy-in $2000USD tournament and there are maybe 12 left out of the original field of 103. Hero's stack: 13,000 Villian's stack: 12,100 BB is 1,500. I'm big blind and am dealt 88. Villian is sitting on the button, and raises to 3,000. Small blind folds. Hero calls for 1,500. Flop comes down A, 10, 5 (rainbow). Villian checks. Hero checks. Turn: 8 Villian raises 3,000 I have to raise or smooth call here, correct? I opt for raise. Hero re-raises to 7,000 Villian pushes all-in. Hero calls. Villian: AA Hero: 88  River is of no consequence. Villian takes the pot down. Did I play this right? Should something have tipped me off? I finished 11th I think, got my buy-in back but I was a little frustrated by this hand. What would SA have done? Everyone WAS playing very tight as the blinds were a good 10th of our chipstacks, but I honestly just didn't see this coming.
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Sep 10, 2007 05:19
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OrangePaint posted:What would SA have done? shove preflop, get the order of actions right on the flop, post this in the SNG/MTT Critique thread in the future, learn to deal with the coolers better
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Sep 10, 2007 05:24
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Sep 10, 2007 05:59
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OrangePaint posted:What would SA have done? Everyone WAS playing very tight as the blinds were a good 10th of our chipstacks, but I honestly just didn't see this coming. blah_blah said it right; push preflop. It's standard tournament strategy with less than ten big blinds to either fold or push all in preflop. More so, in your position (8BB in the BB against a button raiser), I'm looking to get all of my money in with hands a lot worse than 88. I'm talking any pocket pair, any ace, and just about any two broadway cards. This is doubly true if, as you say, they are playing very tight and they have a chance of folding to a push. Long story short, there was nothing you could do, you were destined to lose the tournament on that hand. Not even Phil Ivey with Jesus sweating him could avoid going bust there. And for future reference, as blah_blah said, this should go in the MTT thread =) And not to derail, blah_blah, where you been man? I never see you in #poker.
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I would've pushed here except for the fact that most people were at ~6,000 to ~10,000 with the exception of about 5 of us, but thanks for the advice on that one, you're right, probably should've pushed against a weak raise like that with pockets. And naturally, my apologies about not having this in the MTT thread. It was a NLHE tourney so I figured... NLHE critique thread--yay. I lurk like a baddy for the most part.
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Sep 10, 2007 17:08
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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: Something Awful) Button ($8.15) Hero ($9.45) BB ($12.50) UTG ($5.85) MP ($9.85) CO ($4.65) Preflop: Hero is SB with J  , J  . 1 fold, MP raises to $0.3, 1 fold, Button calls $0.30, Hero raises to $0.55, BB calls $0.40, MP calls $0.20, Button calls $0.20. Flop: ($2.05) 7 , 7  , 7  (4 players)Hero bets $1.5, BB folds, MP calls $1.50, Button folds. Turn: ($5.05) 9 (2 players)Hero bets $2, MP raises to $4 So...what do I do? I'm aware I probably played this badly, but I had a hand and didn't really see him having QQ-AA, maybe A9...maybe didn't think about it enough but..oh well here's what happened Hero calls $2. River: ($13.05) 2 (2 players)Hero bets $3.45 (All-In), MP calls $3.45. Final Pot: $19.95 Results below: Hero has Js Jh (full house, sevens full of jacks). MP has 9s 9c (full house, nines full of sevens). Outcome: MP wins $19.95.
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Sep 11, 2007 20:33
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Harry Hood posted:Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: Something Awful) why are you 3bet minraising in like every hh you post
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Sep 11, 2007 20:37
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bbc what it dew posted:why are you 3bet minraising in like every hh you post coincidence edit: seriously
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Sep 11, 2007 20:39
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Raise more preflop, $.80 minimum. Flop bet looks good. On the turn I just 3-bet shove here since any 9 thinks they are the nuts here at NL10.
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Sep 12, 2007 00:50
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I think what bbc is trying to say is stop loving doing that.
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Sep 12, 2007 01:01
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Cactus Jack posted:Raise more preflop, $.80 minimum. Flop bet looks good. On the turn I just 3-bet shove here since any 9 thinks they are the nuts here at NL10. .80 with JJ against a raiser + caller plus having to play oop?
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Sep 12, 2007 01:32
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bbc what it dew posted:.80 with JJ against a raiser + caller plus having to play oop? This is NL10
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1605 posted:This is NL10 uhh why the gently caress does it matter if its nl10 its a poor raise size
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Sep 12, 2007 03:34
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1605 posted:This is NL10 ? He's saying to mmake a bigger raise, and he's right. Should be a dollar+
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Sep 12, 2007 03:55
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I 3bet to 1.70 and I'm not even being results oriented here. Pot is 0.75 plus 0.30 for your call, so repotting is 1.35 and I make my 3bets > pot when I am OOP. In position I make weird smallish 3bets to piss people off occasionally, but OOP I always 3bet > pot with 'real' hands unless I think someone is on a pure button steal and 3betting is +EV from FE alone.
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Sep 12, 2007 04:29
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I meant .80 on top of the .30, I just explain bad. But yeah, too small OOP and with caller (which I didn't even see the caller  ). Oops!
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Sep 12, 2007 05:08
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Ok, thanks for that tip, that's what I was hoping for. This is how we learn. Not sure if it would change the outcome of the hand though
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Sep 12, 2007 07:07
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Harry Hood posted:Ok, thanks for that tip, that's what I was hoping for. This is how we learn. Not sure if it would change the outcome of the hand though You would have gotten more money in good. Nothing could change the outcome of that hand, it was a cooler
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Sep 13, 2007 15:42
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Here's a hand on which I'd like some feedback, on both my play and my strategy/analysis. Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) Table 'Sorga' 6-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: Hero ($35.30 in chips) Seat 2: ($25.25 in chips) Seat 3: ($27.30 in chips) Seat 4: ($10.60 in chips) Seat 5: SB ($56.75 in chips) Seat 6: Villain ($74.20 in chips) SB: posts small blind $0.25 Villain: posts big blind $0.50 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Hero [3 3]Hero: raises $1.50 to $2 Seat 2: calls $2 Seat 3: calls $2 Seat 4: calls $2 SB: calls $1.75 Villain: calls $1.50 *** FLOP *** [3 Q 9]SB: bets $3 villain: raises $4.50 to $7.50 Hero: calls $7.50 Seat 2: folds Seat 3: folds Seat 4: folds SB: folds *** TURN *** [3 Q 9] [A]Villain: bets $26 (enough to put me all-in) Hero: ??? I hadn't been at the table for very long at all (in the HH it's looking like 17 hands), but that was long enough for me to notice that Villain had been seeing every flop. He would also bet out on every flop when he was first to act (or when it was checked to him). He was doing a lot of raising, too, though he would sometimes fold a flop if someone bet into him. He had shown down very few hands, as the rest of the table was playing very tight - whether that was their playing style or due to the fact that Villain was calling everything and betting out, I wasn't sure. My admittedly very loose preflop raise was made due to the fact that I thought I would be easily able to get the rest of the table to fold, isolating Villain and giving me position for the remainder of the hand. Villain had shown that if he encountered resistance he could lay his hand down, and had done so to a turn raise from me several hands previously. I felt that I would be able to outmaneuver him after the flop, provided the board wasn't too unkind. I was horrified that the ENTIRE TABLE called, and planned to c/f the flop unless a 3 hit. When the set hit on the flop I had been planning to throw out a pot-ish sized bet, as the pot was big enough that I wouldn't have minded taking it down there. With the bet and raise in front of me, though, I was slightly worried about a higher set. I didn't think there was a QQ out there, though, as I likely would have been reraised PF. I felt Villain was most likely holding top pair or two pair at that point, with a moderate likelihood of either JT or a set of nines. I was more worried about the small blind, really. I decided that if it came down to Villain and myself, I would just go ahead and lose my money to him if he had a higher set, as he could be playing aggressively with a much wider range of hands than the SB and I was ahead of most of them. If SB stayed in I was going to proceed with far more caution. All in all I feel like my worst play was here on the flop (PF raise was questionable, but at least I consciously reasoned it out). My flat call here offered 4:1 odds to anyone who did have JT, as well as fantastic odds to the small blind, whom I'd been hoping to get out. I felt as though if I just called, Villain would take another shot on the turn and I could get his money - but that should have been the least of my worries with three players to act behind me and two players actively contesting in front, despite the relatively benign flop. I was extremely lucky that the small blind folded on the flop, as I felt that it made my choice pretty clear when Villain put me all-in on the turn. Villain's fondness for bluffing (presumably. I can't imagine he had been hitting all of his hands) made me feel as though he might have been the type to slowplay a set, particularly once it got to heads-up, and the big bet on the scare card seemed like he was trying to chase out any draws/paired Queens/(pocket Kings?). I also think he may have been spurred on by my hesitation to call on the flop, though that was because I was thinking about raising, not folding  Results: Hero calls $25.80 and is all-in *** RIVER *** [3 Q 9 A] [K]*** SHOW DOWN *** Villain: shows [Js Qh] (a pair of Queens) Hero: shows [3h 3d] (three of a kind, Threes) Hero collected $78.60 from pot I throw myself upon the mercy of PITR. Sorry about how long this ended up 
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Mackay posted:holy loving essay pump fist, instacall. I think you played it well, although you should be happy to have a billion people come along when you raise pf with small pairs. I think coldcalling is best on the flop here, if you're me, for example, you are never raising less than AQ on this flop; my range for cold 3betting dry rainbow flops is very small (like, zero) unless there is some huge retard that I want to isolate or something. on the turn your hand is underrepped but, more importantly, you have a set on a board with no straights or flushes possible. call fast. blah_blah fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Sep 14, 2007 |
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Sep 14, 2007 01:47
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Mackay posted:Here's a hand on which I'd like some feedback, on both my play and my strategy/analysis. Ok, I didn't bother reading anything below this because this hand doesn't contain a difficult decision that warrants more than a sentence or two of discussion. 1) Reload your stack 2) Re-raise the flop 3) Get all your chips in on the turn (or flop if possible) 4) Don't even think about folding this hand after the flop, serously fake edit: Ok I just read the rest of your post and you're a huge nit. Your preflop raise was totally standard and raising any pocket pair under the gun is NOT AT ALL BAD WHEN SHORTHANDED. SB folding was irrelevant because you want your chips in the middle after that flop regardless. Not re-raising the flop multiway was really bad and basically asking for someone with JT to call and hit. Other than that there's not much to say, except that your line of thinking is ridiculously nitty and you're never gonna make money shorthanded by playing like that.
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artard posted:Not re-raising the flop multiway was really bad no. I thought about it a little more and the only hands I think I'd ever shove on this flop without reads are AQ,KK,AA, and Q9, and even with them my default line would be to shove just about any turn. blah_blah fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Sep 14, 2007 |
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Sep 14, 2007 01:53
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blah_blah posted:no. yes, it was.
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With only $25 behind I'm coldcalling, praying SB calls or shoves, and grinning like an idiot knowing that 90% of the time all I am going to have to do on turn is click call for the rest of my stack. if you just call SB is way more likely to come along for the ride, and you're not folding any turn card, so whatever.
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Ok, I admit not re-raising isn't "really bad," but a lot of that is because he started the hand with less than 100BBs. Like you said, we're going to get the rest of our stack in on the turn anyway, so it doesn't really matter what falls. That part of my post was mainly over-reacting to him saying "I was extremely lucky that the small blind folded on the flop," because he is such a huge nit he actually believes there was a good chance he was behind or something (and I have a feeling he was considering folding if SB re-raised or shutting down if SB called). At these stakes if you flop a set on a relatively dry board, you play it like the nuts (because it usually is).
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artard posted:Ok, I admit not re-raising isn't "really bad," but a lot of that is because he started the hand with less than 100BBs. Unless we are like 250BB deep, I just call on the flop. The pot is going to be like $30 and if either villain bets $20 or so, shoving works out well $-wise. This handles pretty much any case where stacks are less than 200BB.
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artard posted:Ok I just read the rest of your post and you're a huge nit. Duly noted - normally I would be pushing that hand to its limit and that was about the best flop I could have asked for. I am basically still a semi-newbie and am testing the waters for a move up from 0.10/0.25, so I am probably a bit insecure on that front as well. (Hence the buying in for the default rather than the maximum - also duly noted.) Your post is an excellent reminder not to play scared.With regard to contemplating folding if the SB remained in, I would most likely still have called had the SB stayed in and the straight draw hit, but I would have been quite uncomfortable. In that situation I may have shut down, but it certainly would have required the straight to hit. The possibility of set-over-set isn't exactly something I can allow to scare me off - I'm not THAT much of a nit! A flop call from SB would have been scarier than a raise in that situation (the straight hitting the turn, I mean) because it smells more of a draw than a made hand. But yeah, you're right about my line of thinking being scared, I don't know what the hell was up with that. I asked my fiance about my flop play also, and while he agreed that raising was best, he didn't think the flat call was as bad as I thought it was. Out of curiosity, how much would you raise here? He said he would have made it $15 or so, to price out the draws but without being overly intimidating to the people who were already in - a) does this leave enough in my stack to make people think they can still chase me off, and b) can the 'not being intimidating' even apply if I've cold-3-bet the flop? Would an all-in push look like a scared bet/attempted steal and induce a call from Villain, or would it just be a massive retarded overbet that pushes everyone out? I think my stack was too big relative to the pot for an all-in flop shove to get any calls, but I prefer all-in to 3-betting while leaving not-very-much money in my stack (I have no real reasoning for this, however, other than "it looks too obvious"). I really did not know that raising small pocket pairs was standard/not bad at 6-max (though that didn't stop me from doing it anyway), thanks!
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Mackay posted:With regard to contemplating folding if the SB remained in, I would most likely still have called had the SB stayed in and the straight draw hit, but I would have been quite uncomfortable. In that situation I may have shut down, but it certainly would have required the straight to hit. I don't think you can shut down here even if the turn is an 8/T/J/K. You need to get it in on the turn no matter what the turn card is.
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I'm curious as to what would be done in this hand. Sorry, I'm getting it raw from the Cake HH because I missed the change to make a link: Hand #1257011448000319: Pebble Beach 11448 Seat 1: gotluk (41.55 in chips) Seat 2: GRIMM75 (76.60 in chips) Seat 3: lamar8634 (43.75 in chips) Seat 4: jesicca5 (27.50 in chips) Seat 6: OrangeKing (83.85 in chips) Seat 7: mr.curly (30.05 in chips) Seat 8: Stew46 (20.00 in chips) Seat 9: Gooden420 (47.25 in chips) Seat 10: Sexy Biach (75.85 in chips) Gooden420: posts small blind $0.25 Sexy Biach: posts big blind $0.50 Dealt to OrangeKing [ Ah As ] gotluk: calls GRIMM75: calls lamar8634: folds jesicca5: folds OrangeKing: raises to $2.50 mr.curly: folds Gooden420: folds Sexy Biach: folds gotluk: calls GRIMM75: calls *** FLOP *** [ Kh Th Qc ] gotluk: checks GRIMM75: checks OrangeKing: bets $7.85 gotluk: is all in ($39.05) GRIMM75: is all in ($74.10) What do my poor aces do?
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Cry and fold, then cry a little bit more when they flip over QJ and J3o
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couple of hands, no HHs, no reads, Party NL100 Hand 1: Effective stacks 100BBs CO limps, I limp button with 77 (mixing things up a little), SB folds and BB calls Flop is Ad Qd 7d, checked to me, I bet $3, BB raises to $13, I call Turn is 2c, BB bets $25, I call River is Kc, BB shoves for $60 or so. Hand 2: Effective stacks 90BBs Folded around to me in SB, I raise to $4 with 76cc, BB calls. Flop is 255 rainbow, I cbet $7, villain calls. Turn is 5 bringing a flush draw, I check, villain bets $9, I c/r to $29 Hand 3: UTG raises to $6, UTG+1 coldcalls, I coldcall with QQ and a short button, button calls, SB folds, BB calls (  party poker)Flop is 422 with a flush draw, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $4, I make it $25 (?), button calls ai for like $8 more, folds around to UTG who c/r's all in for like $70 more to me, UTG+1 calls for like $12 more or something,  Hand 4: Effective stacks 100BB ish Folded around to me in CO, I raise T9hh to $4, button repops to $12, folded back around to me, I call. Flop is Q98 rainbow, check check Turn is a 3 completing the rainbow, I lead $15, button reraises to $55 e: Hand 5: Effective stacks 100BB ish Button raises to $3, SB calls, I'm reraising really light in spots like this in general, so I repop K7o to $11 out of the BB. Button calls and SB makes it $24 to go.
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http://cakepoker.com/HandHistory/?Hand=xcbBw8TFxc3Hw8TExcTEwojFwM3HxM0%3d The river bet by me seems so spewy, but I also figured this guy was a pretty smart player, and he might make a hero call putting me on some kind of spade combo draw. I figured it also helps to disguise my bigger hands. Maybe 2/4 on cake is just like .1/.2 and tp is the nuts.
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blah_blah posted:couple of hands, no HHs, no reads, Party NL100 Hand #1: I like the way you played it so far, as it lets a weaker made hand/draw give more money to you. On the river, you're getting a bit over 2:1, and I think this has to be 2pr, a missed draw/the Kd rivering a pair enough to call. Hand #2: Not sure of the level of play at Party NL100, but if Hand #3 is indicative, then people will have trouble folding A high here, much less any pair. I don't like it. I would be interested to know if you planned to fire the 3rd barrel on the river if called. Hand #3: This hand is so sick, but UTG is the only one that really worries me here, as I'm refusing to believe that anyone else coldcalled KK/AA. This really seems like a spot where he could have the A high FD, and I think I would call, because fading UTG would make it worth it even if a short stack has the inexplicable 2. I will comment on the other two at a later time.
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