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niknik: Don't fold.
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EC10 posted:lol  Thanks, I'm here all night. It's amazing what a little bit of reading does to one's ability to make sense when he talks.
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Mar 4, 2008 02:14
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I tend to call but that river bet size rarely seems like a bluff. Your best hope is he just started getting retarded with a random king worse than yours.
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Mar 4, 2008 02:17
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EC10 posted:lol if EC10 is the villain this is a call.
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Mar 4, 2008 02:54
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90% he has a worse king or any 10 in that hand and I call and sigh/smile depending on which
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Mar 4, 2008 03:11
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May I get a quick line check on this hand? I keep going thinking that I butchered it to thinking its okay. Preflop is a misclick. I hit pot and then accidently hit call. Obv its not standard. Villain has been trying to get into tons of hands with me. Very Aggro. He has minraised my c-bet on a 765dd flop when I had 99. Then shoved turn when the 7 paired. He has raised over my c-bets when I kept whiffing a few times also. He is playing very laggy but also very well. https://cakepoker.com/HandHistory/?Hand=xcDGzcTFxcDMxMTExMfGwYjBx8DAw8A%3d
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Mar 4, 2008 07:02
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Glad to hear some people saying call. I'm a station so I called and was owned by AA. Here are a few more hands from my last 2 sessions I thought were interesting. 1. http://www.pokerhand.org/?2208729 - He's 27/16/3.1 over 120 hands and has been pretty aggro both pre & post flop, 3 betting etc. 2. http://www.pokerhand.org/?2208772 - While PF might be thin I think its ok because we are soooted. Getting in on the flop: standard or spew? 3. http://www.pokerhand.org/?2208846 - The FD missed so I check-called. He has infinite river agg and loose stats with about 30VPIP but <50 hand sample. 4. http://www.pokerhand.org/?2208875 - I get to the river with an over-pair vs a station (45 VPIP over 70 hands). With half pot left I shove. Some draws missed but am I value stacking myself? How do you play it differently?
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Mar 4, 2008 07:04
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NikNik: 1. This is fine if the guy is as erratic/aggro as you say he is. 2. You're toast on the flop pretty much all the time that you get it in here. I forget if you had a read or not but the more reasonable the guy seems the more boned you are. 3. Perfect, I would have bet the river for value if it didn't come 4 to a straight but as is he's folding everything worse unless he's a massive station so checking to induce is OK. 4. It sucks, and you are valuestacking yourself for sure some of the time, but I don't think that there's any other way to play this one the way stack sizes worked out.
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Mar 4, 2008 08:13
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1/4 are fine for sure, 2 is really spewy and I'd just b/f flop, 3 is ok but I'd say I only call about half the time there. e: in the future don't show what happens after your last action, it just influences replies
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Mar 4, 2008 08:36
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Spechel EDD posted:May I get a quick line check on this hand? I keep going thinking that I butchered it to thinking its okay. Preflop is a misclick. I hit pot and then accidently hit call. Obv its not standard. I think preflop is a fold given your misclick, villain's line looks like a standard isolation raise (wide range) and you don't have enough implied odds to stack him if you hit a set.
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Mar 4, 2008 09:17
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http://www.pokerhand.org/?2209418 Know nothing on this guy, was suprised to see his c/r on the turn. About 25 behind when he minraises me. http://www.pokerhand.org/?2209431 No read or anything on him. http://www.pokerhand.org/?2209440 Ive seen him multitabling and seemed to be a nit. Never saw him play a hand but saw him at a few tables of mine. http://www.pokerhand.org/?2209450 No info.
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Mar 4, 2008 09:33
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Spechel EDD posted:May I get a quick line check on this hand? I keep going thinking that I butchered it to thinking its okay. Preflop is a misclick. I hit pot and then accidentally hit call. Obv its not standard. Oh yeh and I also agree with what HKS said you should probably fold PF wide range etc normally but if he is as aggro as you say then I don't think its bad.
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Mar 4, 2008 17:10
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souLjah posted:http://www.pokerhand.org/?2209418 2. This sucks. I don't know what I'd do especially with no reads. I think I would fold because you might only have 3 outs. I don't know why he would shove anything at all on the turn like that. Yeah I think you have to fold with no reads but this is a sweet hand to pokerstove I think. 3 & 4 are BBV, reload and run better because you hopefully didn't fold right?
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Mar 4, 2008 17:29
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souLjah posted:http://www.pokerhand.org/?2209440 Easy call. $33.25 in the pot, calling will cost you another $20.40, for a $74.05 total pot. Since he raised to 3.5bb from UTG, odds are against him having Q7/Q6/77/66. Could likely put his range on AA/KK/AQ/KQ, or perhaps KcJc/KcTc depending on how much of a nit he truly is. Even if he did hit his flush, then you would still have proper pot odds to call him, at 38.64% chance to win the pot. What did he end up having?
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Mar 4, 2008 20:27
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niknik posted:1. Since he's minraising he's probably dumb and will pay you if you hit on the river regardless so I would just call and C/F river if I miss - getting it in here can never be that much of a mistake though and you might even be ahead so I wouldn't worry about it. Basically I don't think you can mess this hand up any way you play it against a minraise on the turn. 1-I only have 25 behind me when he minraised me, so if I call, I have 15 left on the river to put in. I guess I can call here cause I don't think he will fold the river to a 15 dollar bet if I hit? or is it better to just get it in on the turn? For the record I called and a blank came on the river. I c/f and he showed KK 2-Ive noticed on cake that some players like to shove their made hands for whatever reason like that. I am not sure how it is on stars or ftp though. 3 and 4- I called 3, gg boat  , folded 4. I am playing a lot of tables so unfortunately I did not have a lot of time to think or I prob would have called 4 if I thought about it some more. Its a lot tougher having to act fast cause of the amt of tables I am playing and no reads cause I can't really watch. I like that stars feature with the extra time, wish I had it
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Mar 4, 2008 21:26
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ist posted:Easy call. $33.25 in the pot, calling will cost you another $20.40, for a $74.05 total pot. 77 unfortunately, I was really suprised to see it. Ive seen a few players raising pocket pairs in weird places. Had a guy raise 6x with 33 on the button in front of like 3 or 4 limpers and flopped a set. Sometime Cake really tries to get me. I always have a few hands like this every day. set vs set on the losing side. over pair on a 979 board with a guy who flops a boat(77), overpair on another 553 board and guy flops a boat(33). I did r/r from $3 to $9 or 10(at 50nl) and he still called. After all that crap, I was up 5 buyins but I was running good last night despite those hands above. If I had won those it would have been even better.  Another thing, why does he shove his boat there? I mean, why not just let me hang myself, he has position on me.
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Mar 4, 2008 21:33
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I think that's just the nature of FR, people show up with much stronger hands at showdown compared to 6max. Also it's just variance if you never been on the winning side of set vs set or set vs overpair yet. IMO the AQ hand and similar situations are not worth thinking too hard over, especially if you know for sure the other player would also go broke if the situations were reversed. Just aim to extract value from situations where other players probably can't, way more important.
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Mar 4, 2008 21:37
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niknik posted:Glad to hear some people saying call. I'm a station so I called and was owned by AA. 1- I don't know about that hand, I am thinking your beat here. QQ and JJ would be two hands I think he would of called your r/r with. He could be getting real aggr with AJ but I don't think he would. He could of called your r/r with AA and KK trying to disguise his hand and get paid? Ive seen it done with AA and KK but I dunno, if he is pretty aggro than I would think he would of bumped you with AA and KK at least. What did he have? 2- He could be raising you with some combo hand but JQ, AK and your beat. I don't think AQ would bump you. I don't know if thats a standard or spew but I prob wouldn't play it that way but you pretty aggro 3- I think its a fold. I don't think he was on the flush draw, I think ghost was. 4- Maybe you could c/c if your iffy about your kings still being ahead. But if the guy was a station who was prob calling down with a mid pair or something, then I would probably lead the whole way with KK. I don't know what he would call on the river if he missed. He might only be calling that with a made hand on the river?
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Mar 4, 2008 22:39
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I pretty much suck at poker, here are a few hands I played today: Button ($4.95) Hero ($11) BB ($6) UTG ($16.55) MP ($15.85) CO ($2.25) Preflop: Hero is SB with Jd, Ad. UTG calls $0.10, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.4, BB calls $0.30, UTG folds. Flop: ($0.90) 2s, 9d, Jh (2 players) Hero bets $0.5, BB raises to $1.3, Hero calls $0.80. Turn: ($3.50) 7s (2 players) Hero checks(bet here??), BB bets $3.2, Hero folds. Final Pot: $3.50 Button ($4.50) Hero ($10.05) BB ($7.50) UTG ($8.45) MP ($14.35) Preflop: Hero is SB with Ah, Js. UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, Button calls $0.10, Hero completes, BB checks. Flop: ($0.40) Jh, Th, 7d (4 players) Hero bets $0.3, BB folds, UTG calls $0.30, Button folds. Turn: ($1) 3h (2 players) Hero bets $0.6, UTG calls $0.60. River: ($2.20) 7s (2 players) Hero checks, UTG bets $0.5, Hero calls $0.50. Final Pot: $3.20 Hero ($8.70) Button ($11.30) SB ($12.55) BB ($14.60) UTG ($7.85) Preflop: Hero is MP with Ks, Jc. 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.4, Button calls $0.40, 2 folds. Flop: ($0.95) 9d, Kd, 3c (2 players) Hero bets $0.6, Button raises to $1.2, Hero calls $0.60. Turn: ($3.35) 4c (2 players) Hero checks, Button bets $1.4, Hero calls $1.40. River: ($6.15) 7c (2 players) Hero checks, Button bets $4, Hero folds. Final Pot: $6.15
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Mar 5, 2008 05:24
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http://www.pokerhand.org/?2216042 Nothing special about this guy, saw him at a few tables. Fold?
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Mar 5, 2008 11:39
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souLjah posted:http://www.pokerhand.org/?2216042 I'd fold, since there's pretty much nothing you can beat anymore.
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Mar 5, 2008 11:45
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Psychosis posted:I'd fold, since there's pretty much nothing you can beat anymore. Ok thanks, I felt pretty much the same way
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Mar 5, 2008 21:11
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dontpanic I thought those were all NH except I would call the first one. souljah I think a river fold is good there.
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Mar 5, 2008 21:17
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Mar 5, 2008 21:43
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POP EM ON THE RIVER
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Mar 5, 2008 22:45
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Fragmaster posted:<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/XQjtHcSe4j0"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/XQjtHcSe4j0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object> new drinking game, every time hellmuth says megalomaniac in his videos you must take a shot
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Mar 5, 2008 23:48
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LuckySevens posted:new drinking game, every time hellmuth says megalomaniac in his videos you must take a shot
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Mar 6, 2008 02:39
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PEOPLE RAISE TOO MUCH ONLINE
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Mar 6, 2008 05:33
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A couple of hands ago villain did the same thing on a scary board. He got a fold. Also, my stack came from his first hand at the table when KK>AA AIPF.  http://www.pokerhand.org/?2223617 No reads. http://www.pokerhand.org/?2223644 Not too sure the best way to get this guys mini-stack or even if I can get it. Just an odd hand that I don't think I played too well. http://www.pokerhand.org/?2223678
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Mar 6, 2008 21:02
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jayd42 posted:A couple of hands ago villain did the same thing on a scary board. He got a fold. Also, my stack came from his first hand at the table when KK>AA AIPF. 1- Not sure about that one, if you think he could be doing this to rep the scary board than call. He could have 2pair AK/AQ there and is trying to get you out like that but not sure. Did you call? 2- I am calling here. I think his raise is 15 more to you with about 35 in the potI think. 3- I would raise that flop. souLjah fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Mar 6, 2008 |
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Mar 6, 2008 21:49
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souLjah posted:1- Not sure about that one, if you think he could be doing this to rep the scary board than call. He could have 2pair AK/AQ there and is trying to get you out like that but not sure. Did you call? 1. I was sure he had the A  so I shoved it in. He made a crying call with AK no . Good loving thing too cause the river was 4 . 2. I called here for the same reason. Pot was huge. I'm really curious as to what UTG had but he folded. It came k,4.... Lost to trip 4's. 3. I just called the flop because it seemed like he was just testing the waters with a hand that wasn't so happy to see an ace and I didn't want him to fold. On the turn I raised to $3.50 thinking that the board was kinda drawy and he might call or shove with a lot of hands I beat. He shoved with AK. jayd42 fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Mar 6, 2008 |
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Mar 6, 2008 22:19
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With hand one, don't you need to assume that the rest of his money is going in on the river anyway? And thus you need to treat it as if you aren't calling a $10 raise, but a $20.95 all-in? If my math is right, you'd be contributing 29% of the pot ($20.95 in an eventual $71.80 pot), so you wouldn't even need to win 1/3rd of the time to turn a profit. And since the money is going in anyway if you call, wouldn't it just be a push?
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Mar 7, 2008 01:23
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http://www.pokerhand.org/?2226061 - Am I right to raise here? It seems like a good river for me, and it seemed likely I would be chopping with him at best. This guy was a bit loose/donkish but not overly terrible.
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Mar 7, 2008 04:12
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Biggy_ posted:http://www.pokerhand.org/?2226061 - Am I right to raise here? It seems like a good river for me, and it seemed likely I would be chopping with him at best. This guy was a bit loose/donkish but not overly terrible. ofcourse you should raise here. seems great as played.
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Mar 7, 2008 04:45
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Is that a spot that 50NL villains will call often with 2pair hands? edit to elaborate: I think at midstakes the raise doesn't have much value. You get called only by better/same, and of course shoved on by big flushes. It's also kind of important to know just how much of a donky villain is, in my mind the same type of villain who calls with 2P are the ones who will shove a single T to your raise which you won't be happy to call. HKS fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Mar 7, 2008 |
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Mar 7, 2008 04:58
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Biggy_ posted:http://www.pokerhand.org/?2226061 - Am I right to raise here? It seems like a good river for me, and it seemed likely I would be chopping with him at best. This guy was a bit loose/donkish but not overly terrible. as strange as it sounds, i could see a 50nl player shoving with worse (and obviously better) here and we cant call a shove, so i like a call. dont think there's enough value from a poorly played 2pair/set to set up an awkward situation with a small raise. 200nl and up i raise/fold a decent amount of the time
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Mar 7, 2008 06:14
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Biggy_ posted:http://www.pokerhand.org/?2226061 - Am I right to raise here? It seems like a good river for me, and it seemed likely I would be chopping with him at best. This guy was a bit loose/donkish but not overly terrible.
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Mar 7, 2008 07:07
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He's 11/9/1.4 over 320 hands. Pitch it? How is my turn play? http://www.holdemmanager.net NL Holdem $1(BB) Poker Stars Game#15841228456 nicknick552 ($100.35) biggd51 ($60.50) x.sebi.x ($137.70) Mr Xxl 1908 ($151.60) Boandly ($58.50) O_Rawk ($110.40) wildogg2k5 ($99) nicknick552 posts (SB) $0.50 biggd51 posts (BB) $1 Dealt to nicknick552 Qc Tc fold, fold, fold, O_Rawk raises to $4 call, call, fold, FLOP ($13) 9h Jd 4d nicknick552 bets $8 O_Rawk calls $8 wildogg2k5 folds TURN ($29) 9h Jd 4d 8d nicknick552 bets $18 O_Rawk raises to $68
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Mar 9, 2008 02:26
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Mar 9, 2008 03:32
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niknik posted:He's 11/9/1.4 over 320 hands. Pitch it? How is my turn play? As much as I would want to call, I think its a fold. If he has an overpair he is probably just gonna call the turn if not fold. I don't think an overpair will bump that turn so I think the turn bet is good. Just curious, you lead bet the flop for 8, if he bumped you to say 18-25. Whats your play?
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